5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

as a backup, hes fine. He can continue to improve as a passer for a few years, and his legs give you a chance to win. Having a chance to win is what you want from your backup QB. In that regard, the pick is a success. If they were going to contend for a super bowl next year, then they should/would keep him. As a "QB" factory who is beginning a re-build, now you look to cash in on the value youve created. 

Yup, trade him. Maybe the Pats... 

My #1 pet peeve is the talk of lack of black coaches, but in the past 2 years a hispanic (Rivera) and muslim (Saleh) coach has been hired. Those are minority hires!

Hell, we've had 3 black GMs get jobs (Holmes, Fontenot, Mayhew). That's good!

You don't trade Hurts for less than a 1st rd pick.

For one thing, you don't know if Wentz is going to work out.

For another, you don't know if Hurts is going to progress.

Give the new HC a year to work with both of them, then decide what you want to do.

We're rebuilding, we'd be stupid to rush into decisions like this without further information.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Agreed. Bo even said he thinks it's obvious that Sirianni wouldn't have been hired if he were black. Bo always has a problem with everything someone does. Guy needs to be more self critical instead.

I’m pretty liberal, but he’s the type of liberal that gives us a bad name. 

The people who racialize everything I've found are more racist than those who don't. If the first thing that comes to someone's mind when someone is hired is "What's their skin color?" then that says a lot more about you than the person who did the hiring. Society is unsustainable if everything, all the time, is about race.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You don't trade Hurts for less than a 1st rd pick.

For one thing, you don't know if Wentz is going to work out.

For another, you don't know if Hurts is going to progress.

Give the new HC a year to work with both of them, then decide what you want to do.

We're rebuilding, we'd be stupid to rush into decisions like this without further information.

Lol guess we're never trading Hurts and will just have to cut him when it's time

I think it might have been Peter Schrager on GMFB that said that the Eagles consider the backup QB to be a top 15 position on the roster. You may or may not agree with that but it does put into perspective why they would use a 2nd rounder on the spot. Especially one they felt they could use in some packages.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ohhhhh.  So now we don’t believe McClane!  

I've never believed him, so nothing new for me.

Well, it's a lot more about race than you want to believe.

Studies have shown that a black name on a resume cuts in half your chance of being called for an interview.

Studies of police brutality are undecided whether you're more likely to be killed (all factors included) but are definitive that you're more likely to be brutalized.

Black men get longer jail sentences and are more likely to be arrested for the same offenses as white men.  And so forth.

And 400 years of history mean that black families have far fewer economic resources, are more likely to live in areas with worse schools, worse health, etc. Their kids start life behind the 8-ball.

Of course, if you're white and don't study American history or American economic history you're probably only vaguely aware of these facts.

Now how to address these issues is more complex, and I don't want to get into that here, but there are legitimate grievances that don't rely on CRT.

3 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

I think it might have been Peter Schrager on GMFB that said that the Eagles consider the backup QB to be a top 15 position on the roster. You may or may not agree with that but it does put into perspective why they would use a 2nd rounder on the spot. Especially one they felt they could use in some packages.

Backup QB for a team that was staring at a rebuild is stupid, no matter how they try to spin it. 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Well, it's a lot more about race than you want to believe.

Studies have shown that a black name on a resume cuts in half your chance of being called for an interview.

Studies of police brutality are undecided whether you're more likely to be killed (all factors included) but are definitive that you're more likely to be brutalized.

Black men get longer jail sentences and are more likely to be arrested for the same offenses as white men.  And so forth.

And 400 years of history mean that black families have far fewer economic resources, are more likely to live in areas with worse schools, worse health, etc. Their kids start life behind the 8-ball.

Of course, if you're white and don't study American history or American economic history you're probably only vaguely aware of these facts.

Now how to address these issues is more complex, and I don't want to get into that here, but there are legitimate grievances that don't rely on CRT.

Of course race is an issue, but that doesn’t make it an issue every time a minority doesn’t get the job. 

It takes about two seconds of critical thinking skills to know Lurie isn’t some bigoted owner. Bo Wulf has lost his mind here. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Well, it's a lot more about race than you want to believe.

Studies have shown that a black name on a resume cuts in half your chance of being called for an interview.

Studies of police brutality are undecided whether you're more likely to be killed (all factors included) but are definitive that you're more likely to be brutalized.

Black men get longer jail sentences and are more likely to be arrested for the same offenses as white men.  And so forth.

And 400 years of history mean that black families have far fewer economic resources, are more likely to live in areas with worse schools, worse health, etc. Their kids start life behind the 8-ball.

Of course, if you're white and don't study American history or American economic history you're probably only vaguely aware of these facts.

Now how to address these issues is more complex, and I don't want to get into that here, but there are legitimate grievances that don't rely on CRT.

They are unresolvable until we can agree on a common set of facts.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Well, it's a lot more about race than you want to believe.

Studies have shown that a black name on a resume cuts in half your chance of being called for an interview.

Studies of police brutality are undecided whether you're more likely to be killed (all factors included) but are definitive that you're more likely to be brutalized.

Black men get longer jail sentences and are more likely to be arrested for the same offenses as white men.  And so forth.

And 400 years of history mean that black families have far fewer economic resources, are more likely to live in areas with worse schools, worse health, etc. Their kids start life behind the 8-ball.

Of course, if you're white and don't study American history or American economic history you're probably only vaguely aware of these facts.

Now how to address these issues is more complex, and I don't want to get into that here, but there are legitimate grievances that don't rely on CRT.

Each situation has to be taken on a case by case basis. You can't generalize when it comes to issues like these. Proper context is necessary. Facts and evidence are necessary. In situations like Bo is ranting about, neither are used in this case. He's making baseless assumptions and he's using no context.

Yes, there is racism in this world. There are instances in where it greatly affects lives. But making accusations or even speculation without any evidence to that is incredibly toxic and divisive.

It's actually a subject, at least in the criminal justice aspect of it that I'm very well educated on. I've studied criminology, and still do. My first career path was to pursue forensic psychology, then it kinda morphed into criminal justice eventually and while that isn't the field I ended up going in, it's still one of my most frequently read and studied subject matters.

You see in society what happens when you make baseless accusations, it instills anger and unrest. There is a narrative in America that is believed by many people of all ethnicities that police are actively hunting people of color in the streets. Then not coincidentally you see news stories of cops sitting in their patrol cars eating lunch and someone runs up to the car and fires on them for no reason. I wonder why that happened. Social media spreads misinformation faster and easier than ever before. People are now too lazy to look into facts and just believe what is parroted by media personalities. When false information spreads like the above, people believe it. Whether it's true or not.

And because of situations like today there are going to be people who believe Jeff Lurie is racist for no good reason.

The Eagles have invested more in black QBs than any other franchise, far before it was "cool" to do so.

They invested in Cunningham, McNabb and Vick.

No one in the league wanted to touch Vick, but they rehabilitated him. They drafted Hurts in RD2 .

The singular instance of the Eagles not hiring a black HC doesn't mean they're racist but how come this happens collectively across the league year after year? It's hard to point the finger at any one individual franchise but how do you explain the collective trend?

25 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The people who racialize everything I've found are more racist than those who don't. If the first thing that comes to someone's mind when someone is hired is "What's their skin color?" then that says a lot more about you than the person who did the hiring. Society is unsustainable if everything, all the time, is about race.

 

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

My #1 pet peeve is the talk of lack of black coaches, but in the past 2 years a hispanic (Rivera) and muslim (Saleh) coach has been hired. Those are minority hires!

Hell, we've had 3 black GMs get jobs (Holmes, Fontenot, Mayhew). That's good!

I tend to agree but Bienemy frequently being passed over makes you wonder. You can say it’s AR’s offense all you want but he is the OC in the greatest offense ever.
 

If he was 38 and white and once had dinner with Sean McVay he would have been a head coach last year imo 

44 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Any word on when Nick Sirianni's introductory press conference is?  

He hasnt officially been hired yet. Eagles have said nothing. Its only reporters at this time saying Nick is the hire. 

So no word on anything from Eagles

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles have invested more in black QBs than any other franchise, far before it was "cool" to do so.

They invested in Cunningham, McNabb and Vick.

No one in the league wanted to touch Vick, but they rehabilitated him. They drafted Hurts in RD2 .

Well, AF said pick 53 isn’t a premium resource so it doesn’t count. 

2 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

The singular instance of the Eagles not hiring a black HC doesn't mean they're racist but how come this happens collectively across the league year after year? It's hard to point the finger at any one individual franchise but how do you explain the collective trend?

The first coach Lurie hired was Rhodes, screwing Vermeil over, who was a beloved ex coach. I can't give you an answer, but Duce turning down advancement doesn't help things either.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

The first coach Lurie hired was Rhodes, screwing Vermeil over, who was a beloved ex coach. I can't give you an answer, but Duce turning down advancement doesn't help things either.

If he actually turned it down. Seems pretty far-fetched. 

I can’t wait to see who he fills the staff out with.

Stout and Fipp are locks since Reich will vouch for them. Probably Peelle too.

Everyone else can go. 

Sirianni had such success developing WRs hopefully he can identify a like-minded candidate. 

Solak suggested the former Chargers OC as his OC due to familiarity and his job scheming up a good offense for Herbert. 

Mentioned him earlier, and a couple times over the past couple years. Felton catches the ball well, and makes guys miss. In some other videos, he has this stop on a dime cut/juke that is nearly McCoy level (similar to Mack). Extremely dangerous in space because of his elisiveness. This guy is your Marlon Mack if Sirianni wants to replicate that player on this team. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I can’t wait to see who he fills the staff out with.

Stout and Fipp are locks since Reich will vouch for them. Probably Peelle too.

Everyone else can go. 

Sirianni had such success developing WRs hopefully he can identify a like-minded candidate. 

Solak suggested the former Chargers OC as his OC due to familiarity and his job scheming up a good offense for Herbert. 

Shane Steichen - that's who I'd like for OC.

26 minutes ago, RLC said:

My #1 pet peeve is the talk of lack of black coaches, but in the past 2 years a hispanic (Rivera) and muslim (Saleh) coach has been hired. Those are minority hires!

Hell, we've had 3 black GMs get jobs (Holmes, Fontenot, Mayhew). That's good!

Yes there are some minority hires just about each year.  Problem is certain people will complain regardless if they feel it's not enough.  

Question is what satisfies as enough?  In this years case there were 7 openings.  Would 3 or 4 be enough?  Are they looking for all 7 to be filled by minority?  Sometimes I think it's just people looking to complain about whatever they can.

23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The people who racialize everything I've found are more racist than those who don't. If the first thing that comes to someone's mind when someone is hired is "What's their skin color?" then that says a lot more about you than the person who did the hiring. Society is unsustainable if everything, all the time, is about race.

You know where this issue comes from mostly?  Social media....

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles have invested more in black QBs than any other franchise, far before it was "cool" to do so.

They invested in Cunningham, McNabb and Vick.

No one in the league wanted to touch Vick, but they rehabilitated him. They drafted Hurts in RD2 .

Well this goes to show you the narrative only selectively applies. The NFL is a meritocracy. Teams literally employ people with a criminal history if they think it'll help them win... see Greg Hardy, Vick, etc. Antonio Brown maybe too, I can't remember for sure if he was ever actually had a criminal history or if it was just accusations.

If owners think a black coaching candidate will get them championships, I have no doubts they'd be hired. I think the discrepancy goes back to first of all how many black assistant offensive coaches are there even in the NFL? Most teams tend to lean toward offense, so I'm interested in seeing that number. Now if there's not a lot, that may point toward discrimination down the pipeline, but again, those as well need to be taken on a case by case basis. But from the owners perspective all they can do is interview candidates and choose the guy they like best. I don't think not hiring a black coach in 20 years is that eye popping when you factor in the overall number(or lack thereof) of black assistant offensive coaches in the NFL.

And again, if that is due to discriminatory practices somewhere down the pipeline, then that needs to be addressed, but that's not Lurie's problem. That's the NFL, that's retired athletes wanting to get into coaching, that's a head coach bringing in these guys as interns and letting them work their way up, that's a lot of things.