January 5, 20233 yr 13 minutes ago, downundermike said: Boy when that guy said the republicans have elected a bunch of know nothings who just want to see themselves on TV, he nailed it.
January 5, 20233 yr 7 minutes ago, Gannan said: I don't see any advantage for the dems in making a deal with McCarthy. He has nothing they want. Also it should be noted that as loony as the gop holdouts are, they're right about one thing, McCarthy is untrustworthy. Is there any advantages Jefferies can give 6 Republicans to walk across the aisle and vote for him ??
January 5, 20233 yr Just now, Gannan said: I don't see any advantage for the dems in making a deal with McCarthy. He has nothing they want. Also it should be noted that as loony as the gop holdouts are, they're right about one thing, McCarthy is untrustworthy. Yeah, holding out hope for a more moderate republican candidate, is a silly pipe dream. It's McCarthy or some one even more extreme and radical. The Dems have floated the idea for some guarantees. Not sure this is really serious. Democrats’ Sherman Floats Possible Deal to Make McCarthy Speaker House Democrat Brad Sherman floated a potential deal Wednesday that would trade Democratic votes to make beleaguered Republican Kevin McCarthy the speaker of the House in return for rules aimed at preventing a US government shutdown or a debt limit crisis. Eventually, he’s going to have to cut a deal with Democrats, because it’s going to be easier to get a deal with us than with his 20-headed monster he has over there,” the California Democrat said on Bloomberg Radio’s "Balance of Power” program. "He’s going to have to agree with Democrats to not hold hostage the full faith and credit of the United States, to not put us in a position where we’re going to shut down the government. And eventually I think Americans will benefit from this ugly picture of chaos.” Sherman said a deal could include a rule allowing the Democratic leader to bring bills to the floor that would keep the government open and funded and suspend the debt limit in the coming months, and perhaps concessions on committee staffing and ratios as well. "I think Democrats have accepted the idea that we’re not going to have a Democratic speaker,” he said. The choice for Democrats, he added, would be "a Kevin McCarthy who’s made concessions to us to make sure that the government isn’t shut down and the full faith and credit of the United States is not destroyed.” McCarthy, however, risks losing significantly more support among Republicans if he were to agree to rules so favorable to Democrats.
January 5, 20233 yr Just now, downundermike said: Is there any advantages Jefferies can give 6 Republicans to walk across the aisle and vote for him ?? Other than just to stick it to McCarthy, no.
January 5, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, holding out hope for a more moderate republican candidate, is a silly pipe dream. It's McCarthy or some one even more extreme and radical. The Dems have floated the idea for some guarantees. Not sure this is really serious. Democrats’ Sherman Floats Possible Deal to Make McCarthy Speaker House Democrat Brad Sherman floated a potential deal Wednesday that would trade Democratic votes to make beleaguered Republican Kevin McCarthy the speaker of the House in return for rules aimed at preventing a US government shutdown or a debt limit crisis. But how would this kind of a guarantee even work. McCarthy's word means absolutely nothing. He'd turn his back on a deal like this in a heartbeat. There's nothing to hold him to it.
January 5, 20233 yr 15 minutes ago, downundermike said: Is there any advantages Jefferies can give 6 Republicans to walk across the aisle and vote for him ?? I wonder about this.... But then I think any Republican willing to go rogue to vote Jeffries would get skewered so bad they would never win another election. I think it would be easier for McCarthy to walk across the aisle and work with reasonable Democrats to get the votes needed to end the stalemate. But he has proved time and time again he is unwilling to do so. The far right lunatic fringe won't budge. McCarthy won't deal so we are stuck in this mess.
January 5, 20233 yr You really have to wonder what these GOPers are drinking. Seems like anti-freeze, from the brain output.
January 5, 20233 yr 4 minutes ago, toolg said: I wonder about this.... But then I think any Republican willing to go rogue to vote Jeffries would get skewered so bad they would never win another election. Maybe they weigh that against the sane Republican, Democrat and independent votes they can court as they put their differences aside to get the government working for the people ??
January 5, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, downundermike said: Maybe they weigh that against the sane Republican, Democrat and independent votes they can court as they put their differences aside to get the government working for the people ?? It's the House not the Senate. It won't work in their districts. They've gerrymandered them to the point that there aren't enough sane votes to make up for crazy votes they'd lose.
January 5, 20233 yr Michigan Senator Deb Stabenow is not seeking re-election. 2024 is going to be critical. Again. Can't wait for Trump to pick his guy. LOL. https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-sen-stabenow-michigan-wont-143010371.html
January 5, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, downundermike said: Eating their own. Loving every second of this. Reap what you sow.
January 5, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: But how would this kind of a guarantee even work. McCarthy's word means absolutely nothing. He'd turn his back on a deal like this in a heartbeat. There's nothing to hold him to it. Exactly. The democrats best move is to push for a plurality vote. Then those 20 loons can put up or shut up. Their choices are Jeffries or McCarthy. That makes sense for everyone . Get this thing done one way or another.
January 5, 20233 yr 19 minutes ago, Gannan said: Exactly. The democrats best move is to push for a plurality vote. Then those 20 loons can put up or shut up. Their choices are Jeffries or McCarthy. That makes sense for everyone . Get this thing done one way or another. Yeah, we're talking about Congress. 'Makes sense' is not a priority for either side.
January 5, 20233 yr 3 hours ago, Gannan said: Exactly. The democrats best move is to push for a plurality vote. Then those 20 loons can put up or shut up. Their choices are Jeffries or McCarthy. That makes sense for everyone . Get this thing done one way or another. Bingo. The Democrats didn't make this mess. Now everybody thinks they will stand down and be the adults in the room because this is what they always do? Nope. This is McCarthy and the current iteration of the Republican Party. They refused bipartisanship. They refused to work across the aisle. Instead they packed in nutjobs from the extreme right-wing who made a grab for power the first chance they got. If McCarthy wants this Speakership, he has to concede to one side or the other.
January 5, 20233 yr 34 minutes ago, Gannan said: Exactly. The democrats best move is to push for a plurality vote. Then those 20 loons can put up or shut up. Their choices are Jeffries or McCarthy. That makes sense for everyone . Get this thing done one way or another. Agreed. The Dems would all vote for this, and they would only need 6 Repugs to get on board.
January 5, 20233 yr 50 minutes ago, Gannan said: Exactly. The democrats best move is to push for a plurality vote. Then those 20 loons can put up or shut up. Their choices are Jeffries or McCarthy. That makes sense for everyone . Get this thing done one way or another. Actually, this is McCarthy's best move, as he forces the 20 to vote for him or a Democrat. Won't look good for the 20 in future elections if they vote against their party.
January 5, 20233 yr 3 minutes ago, downundermike said: Actually, this is McCarthy's best move, as he forces the 20 to vote for him or a Democrat. Won't look good for the 20 in future elections if they vote against their party. Given the current state of the GOP, it actually will help them. Most of them are only at risk of losing in a primary (super red districts), and sticking it to the establishment will always please the lunatics.
January 5, 20233 yr 31 minutes ago, downundermike said: Agreed. The Dems would all vote for this, and they would only need 6 Repugs to get on board. If they go to a plurality votes and the 20 loons vote for their guy, the Dems win. They don't need a single republican vote in this scenario.
January 5, 20233 yr Well, McCarthy about to lose his 7th vote, Jefferies about to get the most votes again, and some clown will get 20 votes. 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: If they go to a plurality votes and the 20 loons vote for their guy, the Dems win. They don't need a single republican vote in this scenario. Yeah, I didn't think that all the way through.
January 5, 20233 yr 25 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: What I'll never understand is when this happened at Penn State, the entire country was out for blood. Joe Paterno who was a decent man who did very little wrong was absolutely crucified. The same thing happens at OSU and literally no one cares. Jordan who was far more complicit than Paterno was gets rewarded and elected to congress.
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