8 hours ago, Procus said:

No, the polio vaccine was a Godsend.  Last I read, there were some pockets in India, but otherwise by and large, gone.

Smallpox was a scourge.  Have you heard of anybody in the last 50 years who contracted smallpox?  I haven't.

Anybody can make a presentation.  Open your eyes and look at what's around you.

And anybody can make a proclamation.

 Just because they proclaim that a vaccine eradicated polio doesn't make it so, the presentor explained what was done, do with the info what you will. 

If you look you'll find Salk explaining that his vaccine didn't eradicate polio but rather made it worse.  I'm sure you too lazy to look for it so here,  listen for yourself.

DR. JONAS SALK ADMITTED TO THE POLIO VACCINE CAUSING THE DISEASE ITSELF

 

3 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Their expertise funded the creation of the kung flu.

Call me a sceptic.

Good to see the mods continue to support racism as long as it is directed at Asians. 

7 hours ago, DBW said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/10/29/vaccines-offer-more-protection-against-covid-than-prior-infection-cdc-study-suggests/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm&sh=beedcf529432

Weak study. There is no way to know how many vaccinated people had prior COVID but just never tested for it. The authors even point this out. Most studies out there show the opposite and it seems pretty logical that the very best protection occurs when both natural and vaccine protection combine. 
 

All info is potentially helpful but pointing at this study and arguing a conclusion would be silly (you didn’t do that and I’m assuming that wasn’t your intention either). 

Couple of govt commissioned reports have landed here in Sweden thru a federal "Corona Commission".

1 - COVID hit Sweden in a wave as Stockholm based families returned from their winter break weak in the Alps (largely from Italy and Austria) in the first week of March 2020.  Authorities were too slow to enact any measures to limit the potential spread.  Kids returning went right into school and parents right into their workplace.  The effect was much larger than was measured at the time due to the nearly complete lack of testing.  It took nearly a month before Sweden acted and by then the wave was already big, going huge, and had spread across the country.  The other big mistake was the failure to protect nursing home patients who accounted for the majority of deaths (last I saw it was about 70%).

2 - Remote schooling has had a negative impact on students in many different ways and in particular negatively impacted kids whose home situation was less supportive OR who had other forms of non normal mental or physical challenges.  The lack of social interaction, teacher/school interaction and support, etc. wasn't available to complement the support levels given in the home environment.  Anxiety, depression, stress, etc. rose across the board in school aged kids but disproportionately in those that had poor support at home.  Motivation also decreased generally across the board.  The expectation is that there will likely be an impact generally in observed lost learning once these kids results can be measured over time.  Actions will be created to try to recapture as much of the loss as possible as kids move thru their school years.  Note: There aren't any good numbers here yet as too much of the national testing has been cancelled plus there hasn't been significant time and space as of yet to judge the details of the impacts on a macro level.

Supreme Court Won’t Block Maine’s Vaccine Mandate for Health Care Workers

 

11 hours ago, lynched1 said:

A CDC study? Stunning results.

Guess we'll find out

We have been finding out.  For like 8 months now.  10 to 1.  Everywhere in the world.

3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

We have been finding out.  For like 8 months now.  10 to 1.  Everywhere in the world.

Yep, vaccines work.  Also, most of the studies show natural immunity is better than a vaccine alone.  Doubling up is the best.  That's what we've learned so far according to most studies.  That should be just fine.  Vaccines work.

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Good to see the mods continue to support racism as long as it is directed at Asians. 

If I had the capability I'd make a Kung Flu Fighting parody music video featuring CVON posters.  Unfortunately I don't because work and youth football take every last free minute of my time.

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Good to see the mods continue to support racism as long as it is directed at Asians. 

You should take some meds to calm those voices in your head.

A shrink for that massive inferiority complex wouldn't hurt either. Perhaps your belittling of "the poors" is your coping mechanism but it really comes off as hypocritical.

Just saying.

19 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

We have been finding out.  For like 8 months now.  10 to 1.  Everywhere in the world.

You can go by what you're told. I go by what I see.

It's still a free-ish country.

18 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yep, vaccines work.  Also, most of the studies show natural immunity is better than a vaccine alone.  Doubling up is the best.  That's what we've learned so far according to most studies.  That should be just fine.  Vaccines work.

This "vaccine" is doing a fine job.

Statistically I'm still doing better than everyone who's contracted the kung flu after they've been "vaccinated".

2 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

This "vaccine" is doing a fine job.

Statistically I'm still doing better than everyone who's contracted the kung flu after they've been "vaccinated".

Really?  How do you know that?

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Really?  How do you know that?

I haven't come down with it again since. I'm told I should have been dead months ago

6 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

I haven't come down with it again since. I'm told I should have been dead months ago

You can get it without symptoms.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You can get it without symptoms.

Vaccinated without an injection? 

That would be better.

12 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Good to see the mods continue to support racism as long as it is directed at Asians. 

Seems like anything goes now to be honest. I don't think jd's post was ever removed. Heck even when the emb was affiliated with the team, TEW wayls good for one overtly racist post every couple months and there was an entire religion of peace thread that was basically a constant stream of anti Muslim rhetoric.

3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Yep, vaccines work.  Also, most of the studies show natural immunity is better than a vaccine alone.  Doubling up is the best.  That's what we've learned so far according to most studies.  That should be just fine.  Vaccines work.

This is not true. Natural immunity is more variable and reinfection risk has been shown to be higher than breakthrough infection risk. 

https://kfor.com/news/coronavirus/oklahoma-state-department-of-health-tracks-breakthrough-vaccine-cases-and-natural-immunity-reinfections/

 

https://www.wnct.com/health/coronavirus/what-offers-better-protection-a-covid-19-vaccine-or-previous-infection/amp/

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210926/Study-shows-SARS-CoV-2-breakthrough-infections-18-fold-lower-than-rate-of-infections-among-unvaccinated.aspx

 

46 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Seems like anything goes now to be honest. I don't think jd's post was ever removed. Heck even when the emb was affiliated with the team, TEW way good for one overly racist post every couple months and there was an entire religion of peace thread that was basically a constant stream of anti Muslim rhetoric.

More of a larger point about double standards, but I hear you. 

7 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Weak study. There is no way to know how many vaccinated people had prior COVID but just never tested for it. The authors even point this out. Most studies out there show the opposite and it seems pretty logical that the very best protection occurs when both natural and vaccine protection combine. 
 

All info is potentially helpful but pointing at this study and arguing a conclusion would be silly (you didn’t do that and I’m assuming that wasn’t your intention either). 

It was more of a generalization of what happens if we stop vaccinating for these diseases.  Point being they would come back with a bit of a vengeance.  I read another one where they said if we stopped vaccinating for polio than within 10 years there would be at least a half million cases annually and that’s with less than 100 cases in the world right now.  Vaccines work for what they’re intended for.  Which is not to eradicated viruses but to protect people from them.

 

6 minutes ago, DBW said:

It was more of a generalization of what happens if we stop vaccinating for these diseases.  Point being they would come back with a bit of a vengeance.  I read another one where they said if we stopped vaccinating for polio than within 10 years there would be at least a half million cases annually and that’s with less than 100 cases in the world right now.  Vaccines work for what they’re intended for.  Which is not to eradicated viruses but to protect people from them.

 

So you mean the headline was just sheet?  Yeah, vaccines are good.  So is natural immunity from having already had the disease.

In case I wasn't clear enough in my other posts, when I say "natural immunity" I mean thru the protection one as after having the disease and recovering.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

n case I wasn't clear enough in my other posts, when I say "natural immunity" I mean thru the protection one as after having the disease and recovering.

My question is what constitutes "the disease" at any particular point in time.  If we get waves in 2022, is it going to be the same virus, or some variant that can evade antibodies from vaccines or previous infections.

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

 double standards

On that you would be an expert 😉

6 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

On that you would be an expert 😉

As opposed to double shots before driving to work, like yourself.

Just now, Boogyman said:

As opposed to double shots before driving to work, like yourself.

Double shots of espresso