Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Ya we know, bud.

 

I love completely silencing the little fella. 

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

 

I love completely silencing the little fella. 

Look, we get it, you guys are perpetually confused by calendars. I'm sure it sucks but when you've been suffering from life long brain damage, I'm not sure there's much you can do at this point, ya know?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look, we get it, you guys are perpetually confused by calendars. I'm sure it sucks but when you've been suffering from life long brain damage, I'm not sure there's much you can do at this point, ya know?

So you still haven't refuted the point and are pivoting into some weird calendar schtick? Sounds about right. Save the Hanson material for the follow-up post.   

Napoleon BTFO. 

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

So you still haven't refuted the point and are pivoting into some weird calendar schtick? Sounds about right. Save the Hanson material for the follow-up post.   

Napoleon BTFO. 

I would but you idiots don't understand graphs with a time domain for the x-axis.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I would but you idiots don't understand graphs with a time domain for the x-axis.

Go for it, then, little man.

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I would but you idiots don't understand graphs with a time domain for the x-axis.

or probabilities....or percentages....or cause/effect....    

18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look, we get it, you guys are perpetually confused by calendars. I'm sure it sucks but when you've been suffering from life long brain damage, I'm not sure there's much you can do at this point, ya know?

Maybe he did have COVID and now  has long COVID that affects the mind. Have some sympathy 

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Go for it, then, little man.

"Go for it and explain something to me I have no mental capacity to comprehend. I'm desperate for the attention you're giving me because otherwise I'd get no human interaction at all since I live a lonely life devoid of meaning and purpose."

 

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

Welp, we already had France make this recommendation. Let's add Germany to the list.  

 

 

They still recommend Pfizer/bioNtech  for basically every age group though.  So your antivax narrative doesn’t fit here. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"Go for it and explain something to me I have no mental capacity to comprehend. I'm desperate for the attention you're giving me because otherwise I'd get no human interaction at all since I live a lonely life devoid of meaning and purpose."

 

Yep, like I said, BTFO. You can't post anything because there's nothing there. You went full Napoleon and got wrecked. Period.

I was in home depot yesterday with my wife and baby. At check out, some random dude approaches me and says "Excuse me, it's really great to see some young people not wearing masks, there's just something about this area and the young people..."

I just said "oh, uh have a good one man" and walked out.

Personally, I don't wear one unless required because I'm vaccinated and don't think walking past people in home depot is how you catch coronavirus. However, I'd rather not discuss it with randos at stores. It amazes me that these are the people who complain about everything being politicized, yet here is this dude approaching me in a store to try to discuss in solidarity mask resistance. 

The Germans are smart people, we should listen to them. 

1 minute ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I was in home depot yesterday with my wife and baby. At check out, some random dude approaches me and says "Excuse me, it's really great to see some young people not wearing masks, there's just something about this area and the young people..."

I just said "oh, uh have a good one man" and walked out.

Personally, I don't wear one unless required because I'm vaccinated and don't think walking past people in home depot is how you catch coronavirus. However, I'd rather not discuss it with randos at stores. It amazes me that these are the people who complain about everything being politicized, yet here is this dude approaching me in a store to try to discuss in solidarity mask resistance. 

Keep fighting the good fight my man!!!

 

Just kidding.

Should also be no surprise the Germans recommend prized/BioNTech since they’re basically the ones who invented it 😂 

Courts overturned the PA DOH mandate for masks in schools today. 

There are clearly some confounding factors that are hard to account for when it comes to outbreaks. Some of it may be related to weather - both directly and indirectly through changes in human behavior (being indoors or outdoors more, etc.), some is just plain luck on whether the virus is able to take hold in a particular population at a high enough level to result in an outbreak.

There are things that can be done that can frustrate outbreaks. The vaccine has an effect, as does mask wearing. But there's no combination of tools we have right now that will guarantee us protection from an outbreak. 

That's where it gets challenging to message on this, because the reality is that you can do everything right and still get COVID. A community could do everything right and still have to deal with an outbreak. All other things being equal, the community engaging in more aggressive mitigation efforts (masks, etc.) is less likely to have an outbreak, and if that community is 100% vaccinated the hospitalization and death rates will be significantly lower than in an unvaccinated community, but there are too many other variables (up to and including how individual members of a community may interact with people outside the community for example) to guarantee anything.

Where people go off the deep end is reading it as "well if there's still risk what's the point of vaccinating and doing all this mask wearing etc.?" .. the message sounds mealy mouthed because "your chances are better with the virus and with mask wearing" isn't as reassuring as "if you do x you will be safe" which is what people want to hear.

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Where people go off the deep end is reading it as "well if there's still risk what's the point of vaccinating and doing all this mask wearing etc.?" .. the message sounds mealy mouthed because "your chances are better with the virus and with mask wearing" isn't as reassuring as "if you do x you will be safe" which is what people want to hear.

I think people want honesty from the people in charge and they don't want to be forced to do anything. Simply say, the vaccine doesn't have much of a measurable effect on transmission rates, but it keeps you from getting seriously ill. Clearly state that, yes, the vaccine does wear off and become pretty much useless in 6 months, but then tell them about the successfulness of booster shots.

By no means push unconstitutional mandates on private businesses and celebrate when people lose their jobs over them. I think that's where the left lost a lot of people.

 

37 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I was in home depot yesterday with my wife and baby. At check out, some random dude approaches me and says "Excuse me, it's really great to see some young people not wearing masks, there's just something about this area and the young people..."

I just said "oh, uh have a good one man" and walked out.

Personally, I don't wear one unless required because I'm vaccinated and don't think walking past people in home depot is how you catch coronavirus. However, I'd rather not discuss it with randos at stores. It amazes me that these are the people who complain about everything being politicized, yet here is this dude approaching me in a store to try to discuss in solidarity mask resistance. 

I think box stores probably have pretty good air circulation.  You should still wear a mask though.   

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I think people want honesty from the people in charge and they don't want to be forced to do anything. Simply say, the vaccine doesn't have much of a measurable effect on transmission rates, but it keeps you from getting seriously ill. Clearly state that, yes, the vaccine does wear off and become pretty much useless in 6 months, but then tell them about the successfulness of booster shots.

By no means push unconstitutional mandates on private businesses and celebrate when people lose their jobs over them. I think that's where the left lost a lot of people.

 

Did someone take over Kz membership? 

3 minutes ago, barho said:

Did someone take over Kz membership? 

I know you're too stupid to comprehend nuance, but I've always been a huge advocate of the vaccine for at risk population groups. That said, it's not right for me at the moment because I'm in an age group that typically has mild outcomes and I'm in great shape, further limiting by susceptibility to hospitalization or death. And, yes, I'm adamantly opposed to unconstitutional mandates on private businesses, but that should go without saying. 

The vaccine's impact on transmission rates with Delta is at most an open question, and the household study is very strong evidence that being vaccinated DOES REDUCE transmission, it just doesn't eliminate it. 

We cannot say "it doesn't have a measurable effect" with any degree of certainty, especially given that the most reliable study - the one that controls best for the confounding variables - points to very good efficacy against transmission.

I know numbers are hard.

Especially when the only constant is change. Then we are learning new things, the same time as the virus is mutating.

3 minutes ago, barho said:

Did someone take over Kz membership? 

One brief moment of clarity isn’t enough to convince me.

Now if Dr. Philly starts making sense, then someone else is definitely handling the account.