November 10, 20214 yr Just now, vikas83 said: The old adage is wrong. People respond more quickly to negative consequences. Especially people who have already not responded to positive incentives -- we tried offering money, donuts, etc. The group that is left will only react to pain. As I've said many times, I am against the OSHA mandate as I find it unconstitutional. But the actions by some governors to try and block employer mandates is equally as unconstitutional. Employers should be able to set their own rules, either way. The government can (i) only award new government contracts to companies that have a mandate, (ii) require all federal government employees be vaccinated and (iii) deny coverage for COVID treatments for the unvaccinated on government run healthcare plans. Do those 3 things, and the vaccination rates will skyrocket. And none of that is unconstitutional. Agreed on the first sentence, but not the second. Governor's wouldn't have to put those anti-mandate orders in place if the administration wasn't trying to institute the opposite. I also agree with your last paragraph.
November 10, 20214 yr Just now, Outlaw said: So you believe cutting upwards of 20-25% of some industry's workforces will help rebuild the economy? Wat? The vast majority of these idiots fold like a lawn chair as soon as their employer threatens to take their Coors lite money away from them. Where are you seeing 25% cuts in an industry due to a vaccine mandate?
November 10, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Agreed on the first sentence, but not the second. Governor's wouldn't have to put those anti-mandate orders in place if the administration wasn't trying to institute the opposite. I also agree with your last paragraph. No. Not governors resisting the federal mandates. The morons like DeSantis that are telling companies what they can and can't do -- like telling Cruise operators they can't require proof of vaccination. Government overreach is government overreach, regardless of who is doing it. EDIT: Crap like this. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/10/21/floridas-desantis-calls-for-ban-on-employer-vaccine-mandate-days-after-similar-effort-fails-in-texas/?sh=6b4e356661fc
November 10, 20214 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Wat? The vast majority of these idiots fold like a lawn chair as soon as their employer threatens to take their Coors lite money away from them. Where are you seeing 25% cuts in an industry due to a vaccine mandate? Pundits pontificating. Not saying they're exact, or even correct.
November 10, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Pundits pontificating. Not saying they're exact, or even correct. They're way off. As an example, after all the protests by the NYPD threatening thousands of police will quit it ended up being like 35.
November 10, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: No. Not governors resisting the federal mandates. The morons like DeSantis that are telling companies what they can and can't do -- like telling Cruise operators they can't require proof of vaccination. Government overreach is government overreach, regardless of who is doing it. I see your point. I don't 100% agree with it, but I understand it.
November 10, 20214 yr Just now, Outlaw said: Pundits pontificating. Not saying they're exact, or even correct. Uh, we've already seen the effect of company mandates on the workforce in various settings and the forced terminations range from 1-5%. No where near 20-25% that you heard from Fox news and took at face value. Find new pundits, the ones you're listening to sound hilariously stupid.
November 10, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: They're way off. As an example, after all the protests by the NYPD threatening thousands of police will quit it ended up being like 35. That's kind of misleading. It was 34 so far placed on unpaid leave. Those who quit with less than full pension was much higher in 10/21 than 10/20 (163 vs 44; but definitely not the ridiculous 10,000 some estimated), and something like 15% of the force is still awaiting word on exemptions.
November 10, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Agreed on the first sentence, but not the second. Governor's wouldn't have to put those anti-mandate orders in place if the administration wasn't trying to institute the opposite. I also agree with your last paragraph. The anti-mandate orders preceded the administration's mandate. The moron down in Florida was fighting with cruise ship mandates 6 mos ago.
November 10, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Uh, we've already seen the effect of company mandates on the workforce in various settings and the forced terminations range from 1-5%. No where near 20-25% that you heard from Fox news and took at face value. Find new pundits, the ones you're listening to sound hilariously stupid. *click* Hello Don Lemon and Joy Reid! EDIT: can't forget Rachel Maddow! all television talking heads are ridiculous.
November 10, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Outlaw said: That's kind of misleading. It was 34 so far placed on unpaid leave. Those who quit with less than full pension was much higher in 10/21 than 10/20 (163 vs 44; but definitely not the ridiculous 10,000 some estimated), and something like 15% of the force is still awaiting word on exemptions. Sure but still WAY less than 25%. Haven't seen anywhere that approaches that value despite all the bluster. The stick works.
November 10, 20214 yr Just now, Outlaw said: *click* Hello Don Lemon and Joy Reid! Don Lemon and Joy Reid told you there would be 20-25% cuts because of vaccine mandates?
November 10, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The anti-mandate orders preceded the administration's mandate. The moron down in Florida was fighting with cruise ship mandates 6 mos ago. This fact only matters if you assume they know how calendars work.
November 10, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Sure but still WAY less than 25%. Haven't seen anywhere that approaches that value despite all the bluster. The stick works. Oh absolutely. The NY police unions throwing out 10k was an absolute joke. 8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Don Lemon and Joy Reid told you there would be 20-25% cuts because of vaccine mandates? No, I just needed to find some good people who don't hyperbolize or exaggerate things to fit an agenda in any way. Thanks for showing me the light.
November 10, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Incomprehensible as always. Try again in a couple days after you've sobered up. Until then, keep the car in the garage on the lawn. You may live in an area with cars, appliances, and general debris shrewn about the yard but I assure you its not normal in most of the country.
November 10, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Oh absolutely. The NY police unions throwing out 10k was an absolute joke. No, I just needed to find some good people who don't hyperbolize or exaggerate things to fit an agenda in any way. Thanks for showing me the light. So you're trying to deflect from the moronic pundits you listen to by bringing up two other unrelated moronic pundits? Oh ok, I get it now, you're trying to out-stupid yourself from the time you claimed "a few" people actually meant hundreds of people. My apologies for not catching on sooner. 2 minutes ago, lynched1 said: You may live in an area with cars, appliances, and general debris shrewn about but I assure you its not normal in most of the country. Yea you nailed it.
November 10, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: So you're trying to deflect from the moronic pundits you listen to by bringing up two other unrelated moronic pundits? Oh ok, I get it now, you're trying to out-stupid yourself from the time you claimed "a few" people actually meant hundreds of people. My apologies for not catching on sooner. Yea you nailed it. I see you're utilizing the Dale Carnegie method again.
November 11, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: So you're trying to deflect from the moronic pundits you listen to by bringing up two other unrelated moronic pundits? Oh ok, I get it now, you're trying to out-stupid yourself from the time you claimed "a few" people actually meant hundreds of people. My apologies for not catching on sooner. Yea you nailed it. Dude, you crack me up. Constantly on here trying to paint yourself as this intellectual and moral superior to well, almost everyone else here. You realize you're just another anonymous dbag on a football message board like the rest of us, right? You take yourself way too seriously.
November 11, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Dude, you crack me up. Constantly on here trying to paint yourself as this intellectual and moral superior to well, almost everyone else here. You realize you're just another anonymous dbag on a football message board like the rest of us, right? You take yourself way too seriously. No there are plenty of people much smarter than me on here. But when it comes to trumpbots that do their research on Facebook and struggle with the definition of words, I've probably got "a few" IQ pts on you dolts.
November 11, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I've probably got "a few" IQ pts on you dolts. Not on your best Fing day. 😂
November 11, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: No there are plenty of people much smarter than me on here. But when it comes to trumpbots that do their research on Facebook and struggle with the definition of words, I've probably got "a few" IQ pts on you dolts. Unsure why I have to keep reiterating this…but not a Trump guy at all. Him and Biden were/are both embarrassments as the leader of our country. I consider myself a moderate Republican when taking an honest assessment of my beliefs. Also for the record, anyone who committed violence that day deserves punishment accordingly, plain and simple. My stances aren’t hidden. And though they may differ from yours, that doesn’t diminish or invalidate them. Plenty of things on here I’ve read from you I agree with, and plenty I don’t.
November 11, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, Outlaw said: Unsure why I have to keep reiterating this…but not a Trump guy at all. Him and Biden were/are both embarrassments as the leader of our country. I consider myself a moderate Republican when taking an honest assessment of my beliefs. Also for the record, anyone who committed violence that day deserves punishment accordingly, plain and simple. My stances aren’t hidden. And though they may differ from yours, that doesn’t diminish or invalidate them. Plenty of things on here I’ve read from you I agree with, and plenty I don’t. Ya totally, you just happen to think we were "in much better shape" with Trump as president. And also then happen to swallow all the trumpbot talking points from Fox news hook, line, and sinker. Weird coincidence, I bet.
November 11, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, Outlaw said: Unsure why I have to keep reiterating this…but not a Trump guy at all. Him and Biden were/are both embarrassments as the leader of our country. I consider myself a moderate Republican when taking an honest assessment of my beliefs. Also for the record, anyone who committed violence that day deserves punishment accordingly, plain and simple. My stances aren’t hidden. And though they may differ from yours, that doesn’t diminish or invalidate them. Plenty of things on here I’ve read from you I agree with, and plenty I don’t. You do avoid answering an important question. Were there people at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021, trying to stop the vote certification? If so, are those people guilty of attempted insurrection?
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