1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think at this point we have to accept that sadly slightly more people are going to die each day than before covid. And that we may need designated areas in hospitals to deal with covid... But that life must go on. Omicron is not as severe as previous mutations and most people will in effect experience a cold. 

I believe I have it, 3 days after Christmas Eve got a very slight sore throat and sneezing for a day or so but feel back to normal now almost, I would say I was 95%, staying home for a few more days. I am not a really sick person but not a perfect picture of  health. I would say getting together was worth a few days of a mild illness. For vaccinated it is just a mild flu at worst for most people. It is time to move on and let the unvaxxed deal with their decisions. Treat others first in hospitals and if there is room then treat the unvaxxed. My mother who is 75 and just got a pacemaker had sneezing for a day and now feels better, she is vaxxed, if not who knows what would happen.

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1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think at this point we have to accept that sadly slightly more people are going to die each day than before covid. And that we may need designated areas in hospitals to deal with covid... But that life must go on. Omicron is not as severe as previous mutations and most people will in effect experience a cold. 

Would be great if we could take some money that is used for defense spending and build more hospitals but wee need the chinese and russian boogeymen to help get more money to waste on more bombs.  I was watching the show vigil and Don't know if this is correct but long story short the British according to the show always have 1 Nuclear Sub out as a deterrent but when they needed to call the sub back in the show everyone was freaking out because they were worried there would be no deterrent to the russians. I hardly think if one British sub is not out there for a bit russia will start launching nukes. Such a waste of money

32 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I believe I have it, 3 days after Christmas Eve got a very slight sore throat and sneezing for a day or so but feel back to normal now almost, I would say I was 95%, staying home for a few more days. I am not a really sick person but not a perfect picture of  health. I would say getting together was worth a few days of a mild illness. For vaccinated it is just a mild flu at worst for most people. It is time to move on and let the unvaxxed deal with their decisions. Treat others first in hospitals and if there is room then treat the unvaxxed. My mother who is 75 and just got a pacemaker had sneezing for a day and now feels better, she is vaxxed, if not who knows what would happen.

I thought I got it just before Christmas. Had a blocked nose, sore throat, bit of a cough, headache and a sore lower back. But I tested negative twice so I can't of had it. 

1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I believe I have it, 3 days after Christmas Eve got a very slight sore throat and sneezing for a day or so but feel back to normal now almost, I would say I was 95%, staying home for a few more days. I am not a really sick person but not a perfect picture of  health. I would say getting together was worth a few days of a mild illness. 

We've had something similar go through our whole house. Sore throats, sneezing, headaches, coughing... but all negative on a rapid test and gone in about 48-72 hours. 

8 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Studies HAVE been performed.  That’s the point.  And the studies overwhelmingly show that ivermectin

Go ahead, post those studies here

This is from FactCheck.org, a site which does not support "right wing" positions.  The article was updated on Oct. 29, 2021

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/scicheck-ongoing-clinical-trials-will-decide-whether-or-not-ivermectin-is-safe-effective-for-covid-19/

Ongoing Clinical Trials Will Decide Whether (or Not) Ivermectin Is Safe, Effective for COVID-19

10 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

We've had something similar go through our whole house. Sore throats, sneezing, headaches, coughing... but all negative on a rapid test and gone in about 48-72 hours. 

It's called a cold - something that people frequently catch during December

3 minutes ago, Procus said:

It's called a cold - something that people frequently catch during December

That was basically my point. Now that we're at the point where Omicron is borderline indistinguishable from the common cold, it's time to shift into an endemic approach and move forward. I see the US appears to be headed in that direction, but for whatever reason Canada is still stuck in the "wE dOnT kNoW iF iTs MoRe MiLd" phase despite the data. 

18 minutes ago, Procus said:

Go ahead, post those studies here

Sure thing. For starters, from the very link you posted (but apparently didn't read): 

The Together trial, co-led by Mills, professor of health research methods, evidence and impact at McMaster University in Canada, and Dr. Gilmar Reis, associate professor of medicine at Pontifícia Universidade Católica de Minas Gerais, Brazil, started in June 2020 and was set in 10 cities in the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil. This randomized adaptive platform trial started looking at the effectiveness of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 among high-risk adult nonhospitalized patients on Jan. 15, 2021. The study analyzed whether patients’ health became worse and required hospitalization or more than six hours of observation in an emergency room, within 28 days of randomization. 

According to the preliminary results presented by Mills, the study found no indication of benefit on the use of ivermectin — nor with hydroxychloroquine or lopinavir-ritonavir, or metformin. The ivermectin arm had 1,500 patients: 677 of them received a daily dose of the medication, and 678 others were given a placebo, for three days.  

"We found that it had no effect whatsoever on our primary outcomes,” Mills said.

According to the results presented, 86 patients in the ivermectin group required extended emergency room observation or hospitalization versus 95 in the placebo group. Both the differences in relative risk and mortality relative risk between the two groups were not statistically significant. These results have not been peer-reviewed yet. 

 

And this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34181716/

 In comparison to SOC or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance in RCTs in COVID-19 patients with mostly mild disease. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or severe AEs. IVM is not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.

 

And this: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

In this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).

Meaning  The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

 

And this:https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/8/11/ofab358/6316214

Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug being investigated for repurposing against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Ivermectin showed in vitro activity against SARS-COV-2, but only at high concentrations. This meta-analysis investigated ivermectin in 23 randomized clinical trials (3349 patients) identified through systematic searches of PUBMED, EMBASE, MedRxiv, and trial registries. The primary meta-analysis was carried out by excluding studies at a high risk of bias. Ivermectin did not show a statistically significant effect on survival (risk ratio [RR], 0.90; 95% CI, 0.57 to 1.42; P = .66) or hospitalizations (RR, 0.63; 95% CI, 0.36 to 1.11; P = .11). Ivermectin displayed a borderline significant effect on duration of hospitalization in comparison with standard of care (mean difference, –1.14 days; 95% CI, –2.27 to –0.00; P = .05). There was no significant effect of ivermectin on time to clinical recovery (mean difference, –0.57 days; 95% CI, –1.31 to 0.17; P = .13) or binary clinical recovery (RR, 1.19; 95% CI, 0.94 to 1.50; P = .15). Currently, the World Health Organization recommends the use of ivermectin only inside clinical trials. A network of large clinical trials is in progress to validate the results seen to date.

 

15 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Being one of the 2 partners has its advantages.

Went to in-laws to basically say goodbye to my FIL before he goes downhill.  

I'm sorry to hear that  

 

The Eagles made a drastic move to try and mitigate COVID. Other NFL teams would be smart to employ it

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-eagles-made-a-drastic-move-to-try-and-mitigate-covid-other-nfl-teams-would-be-smart-to-employ-it-012304967.html

 

Smart moves. Prudent.

2 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

The Eagles made a drastic move to try and mitigate COVID. Other NFL teams would be smart to employ it

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-eagles-made-a-drastic-move-to-try-and-mitigate-covid-other-nfl-teams-would-be-smart-to-employ-it-012304967.html

 

Smart moves. Prudent.

Wow so drastic. What crazy thing will they do next?

18 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

The Eagles made a drastic move to try and mitigate COVID. Other NFL teams would be smart to employ it

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-eagles-made-a-drastic-move-to-try-and-mitigate-covid-other-nfl-teams-would-be-smart-to-employ-it-012304967.html

 

Smart moves. Prudent.

The most surprising thing about that article for me was learning that we have a QB named Reid Sinnett. 

24 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Wow so drastic. What crazy thing will they do next?

Open up a game by running the football instead of waiting until the pass game fails to do it.

 

Rodgers is a peckerhead but he's pretty much nailed the COVID thing.  He and Rogan should take over for Fauci immediately

5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Rodgers is a peckerhead but he's pretty much nailed the COVID thing.  He and Rogan should take over for Fauci immediately

Fauci: Get an unlimited and undefined number of mRNA shots, don't travel, wear masks in the shower, don't visit family and friends.

Joe Rogan/Aaron Rodgers: No shots or lifestyle changes for me, I'll just get Covid and beat it in 2 days with therapeutics the experts hate.

Yep, it checks out. 

15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

That is pretty much the point of science as opposed to say religion. Doesn’t mean the questioning people are correct though. Science has built in self correction as info and knowledge is furthered. 
 

Not sure what topic those two dopes are talking about though as I didn’t watch the vid. What specific question would Rodgers like answered? If it is about the value of Covid vaccinations then the answer is "yes Aaron, they are very useful so please get jabbed”. 

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Denmark has the world’s highest Covid infection rate, with 1,612 cases per 100,000 people.

Denmark, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, including 44% of the adult population being triple jabbed, now has the highest case rate in the entire world. To say that the vaccines are a complete and utter failure at preventing transmission is now unquestionable. Their daily cases are now around 10 times higher than they were pre-vaccine. Unreal. And we still have people on here saying "hurrrduurrrr vaccine mandates are a good thing reeee."

How it started:

Debate Transcript 10/22/20

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BIDEN: 220,000 Americans dead. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who’s responsible for not taking control — in fact, not saying, I take no responsibility, initially — anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America. We’re in a situation where there are thousands of deaths a day, a thousand deaths a day. And there are over 70,000 new cases per day. Compared to what’s going on in Europe, as the New England Medical Journal said, they’re starting from a very low rate. We’re starting from a very high rate. The expectation is we’ll have another 200,000 Americans dead by the time, between now and the end of the year. If we just wore these masks — the President’s own advisors have told him — we could save 100,000 lives. And we’re in a circumstance where the President, thus far, still has no plan. No comprehensive plan. What I would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask, all the time. I would make sure we move in the direction of rapid testing, investing in rapid testing. I would make sure that we set up national standards as to how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe, and give them the wherewithal and financial resources to be able to do that. We’re in a situation now where the New England Medical Journal — one of the serious, most serious journals in the whole world — said for the first time ever that this, the way this President has responded to this crisis has been absolutely tragic. And so folks, I will take care of this, I will end this, I will make sure we have a plan.

 

How it's going:

 

What a completely abject failure  

38 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Rodgers is a peckerhead but he's pretty much nailed the COVID thing.  He and Rogan should take over for Fauci immediately

You usually get medical advice from football players and media personalities? That sounds right.

23 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That is pretty much the point of science as opposed to say religion. Doesn’t mean the questioning people are correct though. Science has built in self correction as info and knowledge is furthered. 
 

Not sure what topic those two dopes are talking about though as I didn’t watch the vid. What specific question would Rodgers like answered? If it is about the value of Covid vaccinations then the answer is "yes Aaron, they are very useful so please get jabbed”. 

Wrong.  The point of science isn’t to question things without using facts and evidence.