December 29, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Candace Owens Tells Fans to Take Quack Cure That Turns Skin Blue https://www.thedailybeast.com/candace-owens-tells-fans-to-take-colloidal-silver-quack-cure-that-turns-skin-blue Are you nimrods taking colloidal silver yet?
December 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: And here are multiple quotes from the study results section that actually go into detail of the results: This is statistics 101 stuff. With a p-value >.05, the null hypothesis is retained and the alternative hypothesis rejected. So I don't really care what blurb they put in the conclusion of the study. The results of their study show that the hypothesis that Ivermectin provided a benefit should be rejected. They didn't have a statistically significant finding in any of their measured outcomes. O.k., let us assume this study is questionable, at best. Do we need Ivermectin batting 1.000 in order to give it approval? I think there's over 20 nations which have approved Ivermectin for treating Covid.
December 29, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: O.k., let us assume this study is questionable, at best. Do we need Ivermectin batting 1.000 in order to give it approval? I think there's over 20 nations which have approved Ivermectin for treating Covid. What country do you want the US to be like? India? Egypt?
December 29, 20214 yr Sounds like all those countries are dumb compared to us. If they followed The Science™ they'd know there's a scientific consensus that ivermectin is just horse paste. Experts here know it doesn't help at all and fact checkers all agree.
December 29, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Procus said: Nice meme. At the moment, Omnicron is relatively mild and predominant from what I'm reading, so that applies across the board. I have an unvaccinated relative who tested positive a couple of days ago with cold like symptoms and already is recovered. It's not a meme. It's facts in graph form. Florida, because its governor is a moron, had its highest wave of deaths late summer of this year. Omicron may end up ending this pandemic by handing us off to an endemic phase that has a manageable illness. But that doesn't change the fact that right wing idiots whose hubris vastly exceeds their intellect killed thousands of Americans needlessly through reckless policies. Democrats were almost certainly cautious to a fault in many cases. Republicans on the other hand seemed committed to commanding the tides to recede "cuz 'merica and freedumbs".
December 29, 20214 yr I'll just leave this here https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2787643 If you want to prove ineffectiveness then post a study of 30 to 50 yr old with no other troubles and see if Dr Malone gets his (negative) percentage. I haven't seen it yet.
December 29, 20214 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: Florida, because its governor is a moron, had its highest wave of deaths late summer of this year. You, because you're such a genius, ignore the fact that for most of the year, Florida had a much lower death rate than those geniuses running places like New York, Philadelphia, Michigan, California. But I guess moronic people gravitate to morons. That's why the geniuses are staying put in those states, but Florida has a growth rate higher than any state in the nation - because morons are flocking there. Yah, really moronic to promote free choice and less government control. After all, we can trust government reps to properly regulate us. That moron De Santis, a decorated armed forces veteran and Harvard Law grad, whose popularity is through the roof, knows much less than you because, well, he's a moron. You are the genius.
December 29, 20214 yr Just now, Procus said: You, because you're such a genius, ignore the fact that for most of the year, Florida had a much lower death rate than those geniuses running places like New York, Philadelphia, Michigan, California. But I guess moronic people gravitate to morons. That's why the geniuses are staying put in those states, but Florida has a growth rate higher than any state in the nation - because morons are flocking there. Yah, really moronic to promote free choice and less government control. After all, we can trust government reps to properly regulate us. That moron De Santis, a decorated armed forces veteran and Harvard Law grad, whose popularity is through the roof, knows much less than you because, well, he's a moron. You are the genius. What, are you Desantis' power bottom or something?
December 29, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: What, are you Desantis' power bottom or something? More like De Santis has allowed me to live in freedom, and not cower in fear like the rest of you people. And I'm doing just fine, thank you.
December 29, 20214 yr Just now, Procus said: More like De Santis has allowed me to live in freedom, and not cower in fear like the rest of you people. And I'm doing just fine, thank you. Oh, so you're in an open relationship then? Very modern family of you.
December 29, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's not a meme. It's facts in graph form. Florida, because its governor is a moron, had its highest wave of deaths late summer of this year. Omicron may end up ending this pandemic by handing us off to an endemic phase that has a manageable illness. But that doesn't change the fact that right wing idiots whose hubris vastly exceeds their intellect killed thousands of Americans needlessly through reckless policies. Democrats were almost certainly cautious to a fault in many cases. Republicans on the other hand seemed committed to commanding the tides to recede "cuz 'merica and freedumbs". This dude literally pretends to be a moderate and I'm here for it.
December 29, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Oh, so you're in an open relationship then? Very modern family of you. That's your best retort John? 1 minute ago, Kz! said: This dude literally pretends to be a moderate and I'm here for it. What kills me is that he completely ignores the ishshow in places like NY, California, and of course, Philly, among other blue states and cities
December 29, 20214 yr After a year of abject failure in combating the virus, Biden says, that's it, we're done, but yeah, it's all the "right wing's" fault.
December 29, 20214 yr 32 minutes ago, Toastrel said: What country do you want the US to be like? India? Egypt? I want positive outcomes for sick people without regard to politics or corporate greed.
December 29, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, DEagle7 said: Such nonsense. I was trained by the Illuminati thank you very much. Although I did do a brief fellowship with the church of Satan in my 4th year. The point I was trying to make is those doctors are controlled by Big Pharma, doctors do what they say, they're told what treatments they can apply and what treatments they can't apply, they do what they're told or risk losing their licenses to practice and/or jailtime.
December 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Phillyterp: "I'm going to just ignore the part of the researchers conclusion I don't like." I didn’t ignore anything. I posted every statistical conclusion from their study. Literally EVERY single hypothesis they tested failed. THAT’S what their study shows.
December 29, 20214 yr Oh man, the brain trust of Kz, Procus, and EagleVA.. I am not high enough for this to be as entertaining as it COULD be, better work on that...
December 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Abracadabra said: O.k., let us assume this study is questionable, at best. Do we need Ivermectin batting 1.000 in order to give it approval? I think there's over 20 nations which have approved Ivermectin for treating Covid. I didn't say the study is questionable. The study is what it is. The study shows that there was no statistically significant difference in outcomes when treating patients with Ivermectin. So that's now five studies we have looked at in this thread that show Ivermectin doesn't provide an improved outcome over a placebo or Standard of Care. No, obviously Ivermectin doesn't need to be batting 1.000 in order for it to be used. But if it's actually effective, one would expect that the MAJORITY of the time, it proves to be under a clinical trial setting when compared to placebo or standard of care. So start posting studies that show that it's effective as compared to placebo or standard of care. I've already posted 5 which show that it's not.
December 29, 20214 yr So in the UK our numbers are now being slightly twisted in terms of hospitalisations.
December 29, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: I didn't say the study is questionable. The study is what it is. The study shows that there was no statistically significant difference in outcomes when treating patients with Ivermectin. So that's now five studies we have looked at in this thread that show Ivermectin doesn't provide an improved outcome over a placebo or Standard of Care. No, obviously Ivermectin doesn't need to be batting 1.000 in order for it to be used. But if it's actually effective, one would expect that the MAJORITY of the time, it proves to be under a clinical trial setting when compared to placebo or standard of care. That study compared two different treatments. It does not conclude Ivermectin is ineffective, only not more effective than the other. Besides, my point is that there are positive studies supporting the use of Ivermectin, at least for emergency use. It's clear that it would do no more harm than the current options.
December 29, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, EagleVA said: The point I was trying to make is those doctors are controlled by Big Pharma, doctors do what they say, they're told what treatments they can apply and what treatments they can't apply, they do what they're told or risk losing their licenses to practice and/or jailtime. I can assure you I wouldn't get jail time for giving ivermectin to a patient. I'd lose the respect of all my colleagues, my wife and anyone I remotely respect professionally, but no jail time.
December 29, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Pentagon goes on offense vs GOP on vaccine mandates https://thehill.com/policy/defense/587414-pentagon-goes-on-offense-vs-gop-on-vaccine-mandates My guess is the anti-vax snowflakes would rather send the military to fight and have COVID sweep through the ranks. If anything its you vaxers that are the Fing snowflakes. You all should have just stayed the F home for all of the whining and crying you do.
December 29, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: I didn't say the study is questionable. The study is what it is. The study shows that there was no statistically significant difference in outcomes when treating patients with Ivermectin. So that's now five studies we have looked at in this thread that show Ivermectin doesn't provide an improved outcome over a placebo or Standard of Care. No, obviously Ivermectin doesn't need to be batting 1.000 in order for it to be used. But if it's actually effective, one would expect that the MAJORITY of the time, it proves to be under a clinical trial setting when compared to placebo or standard of care. So start posting studies that show that it's effective as compared to placebo or standard of care. I've already posted 5 which show that it's not. There are several physicians, including one Ivy League trained physician, who have prescribed Ivermectin down here with positive outcomes. Is it a placebo effect? I don't know. But the results were successful.
December 29, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: That study compared two different treatments. It does not conclude Ivermectin is ineffective, only not more effective than the other. Besides, my point is that there are positive studies supporting the use of Ivermectin, at least for emergency use. It's clear that it would do no more harm than the current options. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/ Quote Main results: We found 14 studies with 1678 participants investigating ivermectin compared to no treatment, placebo, or standard of care. No study compared ivermectin to an intervention with proven efficacy. There were nine studies treating participants with moderate COVID-19 in inpatient settings and four treating mild COVID-19 cases in outpatient settings. One study investigated ivermectin for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Eight studies had an open-label design, six were double-blind and placebo-controlled. Of the 41 study results contributed by included studies, about one third were at overall high risk of bias. Quote Authors' conclusions: Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.
December 29, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Talk to a pediatrician. They’ll tell you to get your kid vaccinated. Have a nice day, guy. No thanks.
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