3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Please explain how an antibiotic can be used to combat a virus.

It can't be, but it combats secondary bacterial infections in the lungs

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Like most of your anecdotes, I call BS.

Hospitals aren't paid based on what's on the death certificate *****.  They're paid based on the diagnoses documented in the EMR. And if a person is COVID positive then yes that's worth noting. It involves a higher level of care, increased PPE measures, negative pressure rooms etc. They absolutely deserve to get more money even if it's only a contributing factor. 

And you actually believe that drivel.  You're pathetic.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Like most of your anecdotes, I call BS.

Hospitals aren't paid based on what's on the death certificate *****.  They're paid based on the diagnoses documented in the EMR. And if a person is COVID positive then yes that's worth noting. It involves a higher level of care, increased PPE measures, negative pressure rooms etc. They absolutely deserve to get more money even if it's only a contributing factor. 

Could you please stop being a mouthpiece for Rockefeller Medicine. You've clearly been brainwashed by the Illuminati and are serving the interests of the Build-A-Bear Society in order to get more funding from George Soros. That's why you keep lying about COVID. 

In conclusion:

Mic drop...

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I really can't decide who is more insane in this thread -- the imbeciles, or the people who keep thinking that one more post/fact/argument will make the imbeciles stop being imbeciles.

What - you think YOU'RE sane?  I suspect you're smarter than to think that.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

What - you think YOU'RE sane?  I suspect you're smarter than to think that.

Yeah! Exactly!

17 minutes ago, Procus said:

And you actually believe that drivel.  You're pathetic.

I believe it because I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO IT BEFORE.  Like how on earth do you think you know more about this process than me? 

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Could you please stop being a mouthpiece for Rockefeller Medicine. You've clearly been brainwashed by the Illuminati and are serving the interests of the Build-A-Bear Society in order to get more funding from George Soros. That's why you keep lying about COVID. 

In conclusion:

Mic drop...

13 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Right you posted a link to a meta analysis of 71 studies.  Just by sheer luck of going in alphabetical order, we’ve already seen that the first study we looked out showed no statistically significant benefit, despite the authors of the meta analysis study claiming it does.  Soooo pick another study from that group of 71 then and present it.  

The authors of the study claimed positive benefits. Your argument is with them. You can go thru the 70 other studies, if you like. My point was not to analyze the details of each study. My point is simply that positive studies exist.

Secondly, while studies may have some role to play for individuals to consider in their own case, they do not displace the agency of individual Americans.  

I wonder which poster this is? 

 

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We Shouldn’t Be Playing Games with Pediatric Cases

By RICH LOWRY

December 30, 2021 6:10 AM

Here is an NBC story with a headline that is naturally going to concern any parent: "Child Covid hospitalizations are up, especially in 5 states.”

It isn’t until the seventh paragraph that the story notes this from Dr. Paul Offit of Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia:

However, he said, his hospital has seen a lot of kids test positive for Covid without necessarily showing symptoms or getting sick.

"We test anybody who’s admitted to the hospital for whatever reason to see whether or not they have Covid, and we’re definitely seeing an increase in cases. However, we’re really not seeing an increase in children who are hospitalized for Covid or in the intensive care unit for Covid,” Offit said.

According to the Department of Health and Human Services, patients are counted among those with Covid if they are suspected of having or laboratory-confirmed positive for the disease, even if they were not originally admitted to the hospital for that reason.

At least this context is in the story. Later, the piece reports:

In recent days, New York has seen a particularly notable increase, putting more parents on high alert.

The New York State Department of Health sent a notice to physicians on Christmas Eve warning of an "upward trend” in pediatric hospitalizations.

The increase was concentrated in the New York City area, according to the notice, which drew from data compiled between Dec. 5 to the week starting Dec. 19.

The notice did not specify the number of children hospitalized, but it said New York City admissions rose "fourfold” during that time period in December.

Here’s a clip, though, of the acting health commissioner of New York State saying those numbers were very small and the alert was meant to motivate doctors and parents to get their kids vaccinated — i.e., scare them with a misleading account into doing what the health bureaucracy wants them to.

 

This, needless to say, is not how public health or public persuasion should work.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/we-shouldnt-be-playing-games-with-pediatric-cases/?utm_source=blog-landing&utm_medium=desktop&utm_campaign=continue-reading

 

 

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

The authors of the study claimed positive benefits. Your argument is with them. You can go thru the 70 other studies, if you like. My point was not to analyze the details of each study. My point is simply that positive studies exist.

Secondly, while studies may have some role to play for individuals to consider in their own case, they do not displace the agency of individual Americans.  

The authors of the study showed that every single hypothesis they tested resulted in a statistically insignificant result.  THAT's what the authors of the study showed.   

I see, so your intent wasn't to have an actual detailed discussion on facts.    You'd rather just post something, not actually go into detail on what was posted, and just leave it at that.  I mean, if that was the case you should have told me that up front, that way I would have known not to waste my time actually reading what you posted.  

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

The authors of the study showed that every single hypothesis they tested resulted in a statistically insignificant result.  THAT's what the authors of the study showed.   

I see, so your intent wasn't to have an actual detailed discussion on facts.    You'd rather just post something, not actually go into detail on what was posted, and just leave it at that.  I mean, if that was the case you should have told me that up front, that way I would have known not to waste my time actually reading what you posted.  

 I refuted your claim that no positive studies existed with respect to Ivermectin. I never promised to analyze every detail in 71 studies to confirm the results. You're free to do that, if you choose. Knock them all down and I'll retract the claim of positive studies. 

People panicking with minor cold symptoms calling 911 & trying to get COVID tests. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

People panicking with minor cold symptoms calling 911 & trying to get COVID tests. 

Kind of hard to just flip the switch after scaring the piss out of people for over 18 months.  Going to take a bit of time.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

People panicking with minor cold symptoms calling 911 & trying to get COVID tests. 

Unfortunately this behavior isn't new. The number of ED follow up visits I get for toddlers (or worse, teenagers) whose only symptom was a fever is mind boggling. People have the problem solving skills of a donut nowadays. 

9 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

 I refuted your claim that no positive studies existed with respect to Ivermectin. I never promised to analyze every detail in 71 studies to confirm the results. You're free to do that, if you choose. Knock them all down and I'll retract the claim of positive studies. 

I never said that "no" positive studies exist.  What I said, and you quoted it in a replay to me so I'm assuming you actually READ what I wrote, is " And the studies overwhelmingly show that ivermectin provides no benefit as compared to a placebo in the treatment of COVID.  "

Did I ask you to analyze every single detail in all 71 studies to confirm the results?   No.  I'm asking you to pick just ONE study from that meta analysis and actually look at it.  I've already shown that the authors of the meta analysis appear to be playing loose with the facts by claiming statistical significance in a study that showed NO statistical significance.  

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

People panicking with minor cold symptoms calling 911 & trying to get COVID tests. 

Had night sweats and a scratchy throat a couple of days ago.  Fine now.  People still get colds.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Unfortunately this behavior isn't new. The number of ED follow up visits I get for toddlers (or worse, teenagers) whose only symptom was a fever is mind boggling. People have the problem solving skills of a donut nowadays. 

Problem is that the media works people up into a frenzy.  If you watch CNN or MSNBC, you're bound to overreact.

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

I never said that "no" positive studies exist.  What I said, and you quoted it in a replay to me so I'm assuming you actually READ what I wrote, is " And the studies overwhelmingly show that ivermectin provides no benefit as compared to a placebo in the treatment of COVID.  "

Did I ask you to analyze every single detail in all 71 studies to confirm the results?   No.  I'm asking you to pick just ONE study from that meta analysis and actually look at it.  I've already shown that the authors of the meta analysis appear to be playing loose with the facts by claiming statistical significance in a study that showed NO statistical significance.  

Semantics. 

 

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Reading the article it sounds like only one version works vs Omicron, Sotrovimab from GlaxoSmithKline, and it is still being supplied by the govt.

But Biden also recently has said that states should figure this out so if FL or TX want to buy the "outdated" version of the antibodies to fight the remaining Delta then they should have the right. 

Here's the rub - if Omicron infections exhibit only minor symptoms, then monoclonal antibodies aren't needed.  However, if variants like Delta are still out there, variants that can cause more serious symptoms, then Regeneron really is needed.

1 minute ago, Abracadabra said:

Semantics. 

 

No, it's not semantics.  You're claiming that I said that there are 0 studies out there that show Ivermectin is effective.  I never said that.  What I said was that the majority of studies show that Ivermectin isn't effective.  If out of 100 clinical trials, 85 of them show that Ivermectin isn't effective, then even though there are SOME that show it's effective, it would mean that the majority of the studies show that it isn't effective.   If a drug is effective, then it is VERY easy to replicate those results in clinical trials.  

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

People panicking with minor cold symptoms calling 911 & trying to get COVID tests. 

Liberals have been completely broken by the pandemic. They literally think getting Covid is a death sentence because of media coverage. It's delusional, cult-like behavior. 

7 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

No, it's not semantics.  You're claiming that I said that there are 0 studies out there that show Ivermectin is effective.  I never said that.  What I said was that the majority of studies show that Ivermectin isn't effective.  If out of 100 clinical trials, 85 of them show that Ivermectin isn't effective, then even though there are SOME that show it's effective, it would mean that the majority of the studies show that it isn't effective.   If a drug is effective, then it is VERY easy to replicate those results in clinical trials.  

I've gone back and re-read some of the thread about this point and you're right. You never claimed there were no studies showing positive results for Ivermectin. 

39 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Kind of hard to just flip the switch after scaring the piss out of people for over 18 months.  Going to take a bit of time.

This is a  result of people reading headlines and not getting accurate news

46 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Surprisingly he is one of the few on TV not going into super fear mode, CNN is a lost cause at this point