31 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

I'm looking forward to this virus mutating itself into a merely inconvenient and relatively unharmful form. Current variants are trending that way. Easier to get but less harmful if you get it.

Let's hope so. Omicron was a weird mutation. It came from and older form of the virus that wasn't super common anymore, but somehow mutated significantly and spread globally. Curious to see if they ever find the source. Some theories it could have been living unchecked within an immunocompromised host accumulating mutations as it evaded the weakened immune system. Kinda interesting if it turns out to be true. I believe South Africa is making a big push to control the HIV population to avoid further mutations (good luck with that). 

But yeah less deadly/severe is preferred. A new Delta-esque variant would suck. 

47 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

I posted a link to 71 studies. You checked out one, dismissed it and now the entire group is invalid? 

Let's get one thing straight, I, or any other American, don't need the permission of some bureaucrat in Washington when it comes to my health choices. If I want to try horse de-wormer to treat covid, it's none of their damned business. Studies pro or con are interesting to consider but at the end of the day it's I who decides. 

Right you posted a link to a meta analysis of 71 studies.  Just by sheer luck of going in alphabetical order, we’ve already seen that the first study we looked out showed no statistically significant benefit, despite the authors of the meta analysis study claiming it does.  Soooo pick another study from that group of 71 then and present it.  

Fauci on TV just now saying what I said before, people with covid in the hospital but not there because of covid are still part of the official case counts.  He goes on to say even things like a broken leg and then testing positive that gets reported as a covid posiitve case in the numbers reported every day even though covid had nothing to do with the reason for being hospitilized. This is one of the reasons we are seeing headlines saying hospitalizations of children with covid on the rise.

Important note: if you page your doctor office's on-call physician at 10 PM asking where you can get a COVID test you're an a-hole and I hope you catch a new dick melting variant of Rona 

3 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Says the drunk driving puss bag who is whining about the military needing to get shots.

This is you, tiny puss.

Struck that nerve hard didnt I Nancy? 

Cry for me the story of your vaccinated people. 😂😂😂

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Important note: if you page your doctor office's on-call physician at 10 PM asking where you can get a COVID test you're an a-hole and I hope you catch a new dick melting variant of Rona 

Didn’t realize it was your night on call.  Sorry, pal

Biden admin touts $137M deal for COVID test strip factory the company says it will take 3 years to build

Who owns the company and how many tax dollars are being passed under the table?

4 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Biden admin touts $137M deal for COVID test strip factory the company says it will take 3 years to build

Who owns the company and how many tax dollars are being passed under the table?

MilliporeSigma is a subsidiary of German company Merck

13 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Didn’t realize it was your night on call.  Sorry, pal

Eh it's fine.  Busy in the winter time but no big deal.  Just can't believe the stuff people page the emergency line for sometimes. "Her eye has been crusty for 2 weeks! What should I do?" **** it's 9 PM WTF do you want me to do about it now? Grow up and call when the office is open.

Where'd the flu go?

CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID and Finally Admits the Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus

There it is!

Dumb***es

7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

MilliporeSigma is a subsidiary of German company Merck

Sounds about right

2 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I’m sure there’s some videos on youtube you could watch to do your own research on vaccines.

My wife and I are vaccinated, moron. Not going to vaccinate my two school age children who have already had Covid and recovered in less than a week. 

10 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Where'd the flu go?

CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID and Finally Admits the Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus

There it is!

Dumb***es

This was shown to be BS months ago. This is what happens when you get your news from Facebook and all your friends and family are idiots. 

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

This was shown to be BS months ago. This is what happens when you get your news from Facebook and all your friends and family are idiots. 

Yah, the flu just magically disappeared once Covid hit the scene.  And you think people need to blindly trust you because you're a doctor. 

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

My wife and I are vaccinated, moron. Not going to vaccinate my two school age children who have already had Covid and recovered in less than a week. 

15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Like usual, you got nothing. 

10 minutes ago, Procus said:

Yah, the flu just magically disappeared once Covid hit the scene.  And you think people need to blindly trust you because you're a doctor. 

I've diagnosed 3 cases this week already. The flu didn't "disappear". And there's absolutely no evidence that flu cases are causing false positives for COVID tests. That's not how PCR tests work. They amplify virus specific DNA sequences. Like a lock and key but much MUCH more specific. No COVID DNA, no annealing of the primer sequence, no amplification. Simple as that. 

Not to mention that a lot of places offer multiplex assays for COVID, Flu A/B, and even some with RSV now. Hard to argue for cross contamination when there's tests that specifically test for both viruses on the same swab. 

51 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Where'd the flu go?

CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID and Finally Admits the Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus

There it is!

Dumb***es

Sounds about right

lololol no that's not what happened.  The original PRC test for COVID could ONLY test for COVID.  So if a physician wanted to test a patient for COVID AND Influenza, they'd have to do separate swabs which would result in 2 lab runs. 

There are now multiplex assays that can test for COVID and Influenza A&B on the same swab.  The CDC is recommending the use of the multiplex assays as this obviously saves time and money as compared to having to do multiple swabs and multiple lab analysis. 

 

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I've diagnosed 3 cases this week already. The flu didn't "disappear". And there's absolutely no evidence that flu cases are causing false positives for COVID tests. That's not how PCR tests work. They amplify virus specific DNA sequences. Like a lock and key but much MUCH more specific. No COVID DNA, no annealing of the primer sequence, no amplification. Simple as that. 

Not to mention that a lot of places offer multiplex assays for COVID, Flu A/B, and even some with RSV now. Hard to argue for cross contamination when there's tests that specifically test for both viruses on the same swab. 

beat me to it.

35 minutes ago, Procus said:

Yah, the flu just magically disappeared once Covid hit the scene.  And you think people need to blindly trust you because you're a doctor. 

The flu didn't disappear.  There were certainly less cases as a result of people not being around each other as much during flu season and wearing masks, etc...

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

This was shown to be BS months ago. This is what happens when you get your news from Facebook and all your friends and family are idiots. 

This from an anonymous quack of questionable breeding on the unofficial message board of a professional football team. 

😒

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

"CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses."

 

8 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

I agree, though it appears that what is deemed "safe" is not driven by objective scientific data which forms a standard, but by something else entirely.

 

8 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

I agree, though it appears that what is deemed "safe" is not driven by objective scientific data which forms a standard, but by something else entirely.

Yeah, by reality. Lab and trial science is the base but policy needs to account for how people will actually behave. Sustainable real behavior must be a key consideration along with risk of side effects when weighing final policy. 

9 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Explain

So... In the UK we report how many people in the country are in hospital with covid. And the numbers are starting to rise so of course that generates concern. But they are now saying roughly 3 in 10 of those are not being admitted with covid, they just test positive when being admitted for something else. 

31 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So... In the UK we report how many people in the country are in hospital with covid. And the numbers are starting to rise so of course that generates concern. But they are now saying roughly 3 in 10 of those are not being admitted with covid, they just test positive when being admitted for something else. 

Mark Twain nailed it.  Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics...  COVID has been one huge example of this and it has happened everywhere and by all sides.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Mark Twain nailed it.  Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics...  COVID has been one huge example of this and it has happened everywhere and by all sides.

Yeah couldn't agree more. Both sides of the argument invent and twist stats to further their point. 

57 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So... In the UK we report how many people in the country are in hospital with covid. And the numbers are starting to rise so of course that generates concern. But they are now saying roughly 3 in 10 of those are not being admitted with covid, they just test positive when being admitted for something else. 

Yeah  made a post( see below) a few hours ago about fauci on tv last night saying the same thing. And this is the thing we were told we were wrong about a few days ago.

Fauci on TV just now saying what I said before, people with covid in the hospital but not there because of covid are still part of the official case counts.  He goes on to say even things like a broken leg and then testing positive that gets reported as a covid posiitve case in the numbers reported every day even though covid had nothing to do with the reason for being hospitilized. This is one of the reasons we are seeing headlines saying hospitalizations of children with covid on the rise.