February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The right loves their fake stats. These people either can't or don't want to learn, and that's the difference between ignorance and stupidity. Nope, real stats. Sorry, covid kills only a fraction of a percent of those it infects.
February 7, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Nope, real stats. Sorry, covid kills only a fraction of a percent of those it infects. It is not 99.99% and certainly not for unvaccinated people.
February 7, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: 99.98? The case fatality rate is highly variable by country. In the U.S., it is reported here at 1.2% overall, which is good enough for the highest number total COVID deaths in the world. This percentage is also relatively high in the realm of epidemiology, and you can surely expect that number to be higher still in unvaccinated populations. Furthermore, this figure is only based on known cases, so you can expect that the overall figure is actually higher as well. I read or heard somewhere awhile back that scientists the figure that the real death rate is probably somewhere between 2-3% https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The case fatality rate is highly variable by country. In the U.S., it is reported here at 1.2% overall. This is relatively high in the realm of epidemiology, and you can surely expect that number to be higher in unvaccinated populations. Furthermore, this figure is only based on known cases, so you can expect that the overall figure is actually higher as well. I read or heard somewhere awhile back that scientists the real death rate is possibly somewhere between 2-3% https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality The 1.2% rate is under the assumption that every. single. infection. in the US has actually been reported/recorded in our official data. In other words, it's complete lunacy, and everyone understands it not to be the real number. In reality, we've likely undercounted actual infections many, many times over.
February 7, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, VanHammersly said: First of all, @Kz! and @Procus please don't like my posts. Second of all, I get the hospital concern, but where does it end? If this is around in the same ferocity in 5 or 10 years, are we still mitigating in this way? Like we both acknowledge, it's not going anywhere, so we're going to have to get used to living with it. We're either going to have to heavily invest in hospitals in a way we never have or we're going to have to start turning away the unvaccinated, or more than likely, both. Republicans will scream and cry at either one of those solutions but F 'em, they're the one's that won't take the vax and there are consequences to your actions. What's missing with all of this? How come we're not bombarded with basic treatment protocol at the first sign of infection? The fatal flaw in your take is the blatant disregard for compassionate treatment of illness. I imagine you believe that if you're sick with the virus, maybe really sick, and you're at home - that there's nothing you can do. I disagree. At the end of the day, we're a compassionate people and we want the sick to heal. We are really dropping the ball big time on this.
February 7, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Kz! said: The 1.2% rate is under the assumption that every. single. infection. in the US has actually been reported/recorded in our official data. In other words, it's complete lunacy, and everyone understands it not to be the real number. In reality, we've likely undercounted actual infections many, many times over. Good example- I never told my doctor I tested positive. Neither did 3 other people I work with who had mild cases. Then lets assume many who have mild cases never even take a test.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: Good example- I never told my doctor I tested positive. Neither did 3 other people I work with who had mild cases. Well, that's stupid.
February 7, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Good example- I never told my doctor I tested positive. Neither did 3 other people I work with who had mild cases. Then lets assume many who have mild cases never even take a test. Yep, and some people who don't wind up feeling bad don't get tested at all. And, when there's a surge of demand in testing forcing people to wait in long lines or rendering them unable to find a test, those cases obviously don't get recorded either. Honestly, pretending like the fatality rate is anywhere close to 1.2% in this country is just dishonest and shameful. I wouldn't have thought a guy like @EaglesRocker97 would get fooled by a number like that. Embarrassing.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Yep, and some people who don't wind up feeling bad don't get tested at all. And, when there's a surge of demand in testing forcing people to wait in long lines or rendering them unable to find a test, those cases obviously don't get recorded either. Honestly, pretending like the fatality rate is anywhere close to 1.2% in this country is just dishonest and shameful. I wouldn't have thought a guy like @EaglesRocker97 would get fooled by a number like that. Embarrassing. If the number of positive cases is underreported, then the number of deaths is underreported as well.
February 7, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Well, that's stupid. why would we notify my doctor? We took the test, verified, and none of us had a fever over 99.5. - there was nothing my doctor would/could do for me that I wasn't already doing. If I had gotten really bad, I would have. I dont normally call my doctor when I get a regular flu.
February 7, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: If the number of positive cases is underreported, then the number of deaths is underreported as well. This is incorrect. Even the CDC director said they may need to take a look at and adjust the death count to distinguish deaths from Covid from deaths with covid. If anything the death count is likely too high.
February 7, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: If the number of positive cases is underreported, then the number of deaths is underreported as well. Hardly likely- in fact it may be overreported, because it has been reported that if you died while you tested positive for COVID, they marked it as a COVID death, even if you had been battling a serious illness for 3 years and COVID put you over the top.
February 7, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: why would we notify my doctor? We took the test, verified, and none of us had a fever over 99.5. - there was nothing my doctor would/could do for me that I wasn't already doing. If I had gotten really bad, I would have. I dont normally call my doctor when I get a regular flu. Not necessarily for treatment but in order for accurate reporting of case numbers and just to have a documented infection on your file in case it should be relevant down the line. When I tested positive, the contact tracer told me to make sure I reported the infection to my doctor, even though I was asymptomatic.
February 7, 20223 yr Just like your doctor should have all your vaccination records on file, they should have infections documented as well.
February 7, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Hardly likely- in fact it may be overreported, because it has been reported that if you died while you tested positive for COVID, they marked it as a COVID death, even if you had been battling a serious illness for 3 years and COVID put you over the top. If you have a chronic condition that you've been living with and managing for years, and then COVID came along and "put you over the top" (ie., killed you) then the proper documentation would be that you died from COVID with comorbidities listed as complicating factors.
February 7, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Not necessarily for treatment but in order for accurate reporting of case numbers and just to have a documented infection on your file in case it should be relevant down the line. When I tested positive, the contact tracer told me to make sure I reported the infection to my doctor, even though I was asymptomatic. When I go in for my physical, which will be in the next 3 months, he will find out then. Other than that- I figured there is no way the numbers are reported accurately, not when all kinds of people never go to the doctor unless they are almost dead. Most I know just assume they have COVID when they get sick, and dont even bother getting tested.
February 7, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Just like your doctor should have all your vaccination records on file, they should have infections documented as well. Well since I did not set my Vaccinations up through my health care provider, they likely dont know I am vaccinated either. Guess they will just have to find out when I see them next.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Ipiggles said: When I go in for my physical, which will be in the next 3 months, he will find out then. Just now, Ipiggles said: Well since I did not set my Vaccinations up through my health care provider, they likely dont know I am vaccinated either. Guess they will just have to find out when I see them next. Fair enough.
February 7, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: If you have a chronic condition that you've been living with and managing for years, and then COVID came along and "put you over the top" (ie., killed you) then the proper documentation would be that you died from COVID with comorbidities listed as complicating factors. As KZ stated, they likely need to revisit and differentiate the "Died from COVID", from the "Died with COVID". It has been widely reported these numbers are conflated.
February 7, 20223 yr Even if you think there is a slight undercount in deaths, which most think is very, very unlikely, the undercount from case numbers is way, way more exaggerated. The bottom line is the mortality rate in this country isn't anywhere close to 1.2% and everyone understands that.
February 7, 20223 yr Deaths are indeed underreported (excess mortality data continues to confirm this) but not to the same degree as infections, especially now that omicron has taken over and at-home tests are so readily available. In other words, deaths might be an undercount by 10% for the sake of this example, but infections are undercount by 100%, etc.
February 7, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: Even if you think there is a slight undercount in deaths, which most think is very, very unlikely, the undercount from case numbers is way, way more exaggerated. The bottom line is the mortality rate in this country isn't anywhere close to 1.2% and everyone understands that. Sure, but it's not 0.02% either. And everyone who didn't have to repeat the 3rd grade understands that.
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