18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There are still plenty of people legitimately on the fence. Even if it's just 5%, that's still a group worth convincing.

And most of these people are hesitant because they think the vaccines were rushed, this gives fuel to that belief even if it is not justified. All people hear are vaccines stopped and blood clots, they are not rationally breaking this down and carefully reading all information, they see the headlines and that is it

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

And most of these people are hesitant because they think the vaccines were rushed, this gives fuel to that belief even if it is not justified. All people hear are vaccines stopped and blood clots, they are not rationally breaking this down and carefully reading all information, they see the headlines and that is it

The people who could develop the blood clots deserve to know what's going on. The fallout really sucks but the physical safety of people is way more important than the perceived perceptions it will cause.

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

The people who could develop the blood clots deserve to know what's going on. The fallout really sucks but the physical safety of people is way more important than the perceived perceptions it will cause.

The safety of people is more in danger from the virus than the vaccine, so by not getting the vaccine they are more at risk

https://www.dw.com/en/blood-clot-risk-higher-for-covid-than-vaccines-oxford/a-57212639

7 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

And most of these people are hesitant because they think the vaccines were rushed, this gives fuel to that belief even if it is not justified. All people hear are vaccines stopped and blood clots, they are not rationally breaking this down and carefully reading all information, they see the headlines and that is it

Oh right, because 99.99% is not 100%, good call.

2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

The safety of people is more in danger from the virus than the vaccine, so by not getting the vaccine they are more at risk

https://www.dw.com/en/blood-clot-risk-higher-for-covid-than-vaccines-oxford/a-57212639

There are two other vaccines. 

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

There are two other vaccines. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/blood-clots-more-likely-from-covid-than-jj-vaccine-dr-purvi-parikh.html

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

There are two other vaccines. 

Ya he's in one of his trolling moods. I should've known better. 

Just now, Joe Shades 73 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/blood-clots-more-likely-from-covid-than-jj-vaccine-dr-purvi-parikh.html

There....are....two...other...vaccines.

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

There are two other vaccines. 

 

Just now, Paul852 said:

There....are....two...other...vaccines.

Are you sure?

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

There....are....two...other...vaccines.

Ok, which have shown to not have blood clot risks and have not been paused, we are talking about the other two that have had issues, the pfizer and Moderna have nothing to do with this

33 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Weren't we told these vaccines protect 100% against hospitalizations and death?

No, we were literally told from the very beginning that its about ~95% effective against getting the disease and of those who catch it only about 1% mortality rate.

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Ok, which have not shown to have blood clot risks and have not been paused, we are talking about the other two that have had issues, the pfizer and Moderna have nothing to do with this

I'm not sure what your point is. What's your point?

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ya he's in one of his trolling moods. I should've known better. 

Providing facts is trolling? the risks of blood clots is lower with the vaccines that have been paused

23 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Seems crazy to me that we are arguing about 100% vs. 99.99% or about 1 person dying out of 7.5 million J&J vaccines. People are suddenly so in tune with minute numbers. 

Its akin to a flat earther saying "well the earth spins at about 1000 miles an hour, how do you explain us not being flung from it, globetard?!?!?".  

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

I'm not sure what your point is. What's your point?

That the risk of getting blood clots from covid is larger than from the vaccine, people that now do not get the vaccine because they are hesitant because of this are more at risk

2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Providing facts is trolling? the risks of blood clots is lower with the vaccines that have been paused

But not lower than the other vaccines, right?

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

But not lower than the other vaccines, right?

No but are you assuming the people that were going to get the J&J are going to get the others? many won't and now many more won't get any vaccine at all putting more people at risk

8 minutes ago, paco said:

No, we were literally told from the very beginning that its about ~95% effective against getting the disease and of those who catch it only about 1% mortality rate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/

"All seven COVID-19 vaccines that have completed large efficacy trials — Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V and Sinovac — appear to be 100% effective for serious complications. Not one vaccinated person has gotten sick enough to require hospitalization. Not a single vaccinated person has died of COVID-19."

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

No but are you assuming the people that were going to get the J&J are going to get the others? many won't and now many more won't get any vaccine at all putting more people at risk

I don't believe that. I think people will just get the mRNA ones. 

Just now, Paul852 said:

I don't believe that. I think people will just get the mRNA ones. 

I wish I had your faith in people being rational

2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/

"All seven COVID-19 vaccines that have completed large efficacy trials — Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V and Sinovac — appear to be 100% effective for serious complications. Not one vaccinated person has gotten sick enough to require hospitalization. Not a single vaccinated person has died of COVID-19."

I feel like that's just statistically impossible based on the fact that someone who gets COVID will just happened to die during that time. Seems pretty dishonest to EVER claim something 100%.

Just now, Paul852 said:

I feel like that's just statistically impossible based on the fact that someone who gets COVID will just happened to die during that time. Seems pretty dishonest to EVER claim something 100%.

Maybe but people saying we were not told this are wrong

12 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/

"All seven COVID-19 vaccines that have completed large efficacy trials — Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V and Sinovac — appear to be 100% effective for serious complications. Not one vaccinated person has gotten sick enough to require hospitalization. Not a single vaccinated person has died of COVID-19."

Well if its an opinion piece published by USAToday and their bright colors....

Edit: Not only an opinion piece, but it was talking about the trials with a much, much smaller sample size of data.

 

Pfizer's even early press releases didn't claim 100%

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The Israel Ministry of Health (MoH), Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced real-world evidence demonstrating dramatically lower incidence rates of COVID-19 disease in individuals fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (BNT162b2), underscoring the observed substantial public health impact of Israel’s nationwide immunization program. These new data build upon and confirm previously released data from the MoH demonstrating the vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, severe and critical hospitalizations, and deaths. The latest analysis from the MoH proves that two weeks after the second vaccine dose protection is even stronger – vaccine effectiveness was at least 97% in preventing symptomatic disease, severe/critical disease and death. This comprehensive real-world evidence can be of importance to countries around the world as they advance their own vaccination campaigns one year after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a pandemic.

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Findings from the analysis were derived from de-identified aggregate Israel MoH surveillance data collected between January 17 and March 6, 2021, when the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine was the only vaccine available in the country and when the more transmissible B.1.1.7 variant of SARS-CoV-2 (formerly referred to as the U.K. variant) was the dominant strain. Vaccine effectiveness was at least 97% against symptomatic COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, severe and critical hospitalizations, and deaths. Furthermore, the analysis found a vaccine effectiveness of 94% against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections. For all outcomes, vaccine effectiveness was measured from two weeks after the second dose.

Whatever, this is stupid.

Just now, paco said:

Well if its USAToday and their bright colors....

 

Pfizer's even early press releases didn't claim 100%

Whatever, this is stupid.

Yes, yes it is.

40 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Seems crazy to me that we are arguing about 100% vs. 99.99% or about 1 person dying out of 7.5 million J&J vaccines. People are suddenly so in tune with minute numbers. 

 

Trumpbots: "COVID has a death rate of less than 1%. Nothing to worry about. Stop living in fear!"

Also Trumpbots: "6 adverse reactions out of 7 million doses is statistically significant! This is EXACTLY why we should fear vaccines!"