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The 2020 Corona Thread

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4 minutes ago, paco said:

I'd argue obesity trumps both.  

 

And I say this as a man with a rockin' dad bod.

It's not even an argument. It does. COVID ravaged this country because of obesity and you know what happened? Everyone talked about how 40 pounds of "quarantine weight" was acceptable. This also happened:

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This country had a chance to really address the obesity issue but we're pushing "positivity" over health.

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7 minutes ago, paco said:

I'd argue obesity trumps both.  

 

And I say this as a man with a rockin' dad bod.

Obesity as a whole is certainly a much greater cost to insurance companies, but it doesn't compound costs from one person to another.  Not getting the vaccine does and it helps keep it around on top of that.

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Obesity as a whole is certainly a much greater cost to insurance companies, but it doesn't compound costs from one person to another.  Not getting the vaccine does and it helps keep it around on top of that.

Sure it does. Since insurance companies can't charge them more, they get added to the risk pool for determining premiums. So healthy people pay more because others choose to be unhealthy. 

Insurance companies should be able to charge the obese more for premiums.

I was about to respond but Vikas nails it.  I can't possibly see how you can think obesity is something that doesn't compound costs but not getting the vaccine does.

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3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Insurance companies should be able to charge the obese more for premiums.

Do that and watch the numbers of obese folks drop.

i'm not obese, i'm fierce!  :flex:   

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Sure it does. Since insurance companies can't charge them more, they get added to the risk pool for determining premiums. So healthy people pay more because others choose to be unhealthy. 

Insurance companies should be able to charge the obese more for premiums.

I have always thought this. Pretty much any habit or lifestyle that adds risk and is easily detectable (smoking, obesity) should be subject to a surcharge. I will add the BMI chart needs to be updated though.

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4 minutes ago, paco said:

I was about to respond but Vikas nails it.  I can't possibly see how you can consider obesity as something that doesn't compound costs but not getting the vaccine does.

Also

  

Do that and watch the numbers of obese folks drop.

But of course, we could never do this because politicians exist solely to make sure that people aren't required to face the consequences for their own poor decisions. Let's say tomorrow that United Healthcare added an "obesity surcharge" to their policies. Well, the following would happen. First, people would scream racism because the African American and Latino communities have a higher % of obesity than white people (once again, Asians wouldn't count as minorities). Second, the problem would be because of the lack of healthy food options, the need for quicker meals, etc. - anything other than saying people are being irresponsible. So UHC would be vilified as racist and the government would ban obesity surcharges and spend billions on some program to send people fruits and vegetables which they won't eat.

Nobody will think -- hey, maybe people who make responsible choices about their health also make responsible choices in other parts of their lives. So it isn't racism, or class warfare -- it's that people who are responsible in one aspect of life tend to be responsible overall.

22 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You guys are still getting 60,000 cases a day? Yikes.

 

22 hours ago, paco said:

30k yesterday, but yeah, 60k

 

22 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Weekend reports are always lower

Monday, May 3rd, under 40k

Deaths are a lot lower too.  Last two days was 330 and 445 respectively.  Lowest since before the BLM protests and riots.

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Deaths are a lot lower too.  Last two days was 330 and 445 respectively.  Lowest since before the BLM protests and riots.

2 straight days with no deaths in LA. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

2 straight days with no deaths in LA. 

From Covid.

 

Because I know those gross burgers of yours will kill you.

11 minutes ago, paco said:

 

 

Monday, May 3rd, under 40k

The numbers are trending in the right direction then?

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The numbers are trending in the right direction then?

Deaths have been trending down steadily since Jan 12.  Even when we has a small blip of cases rising, deaths have still gone down.  

 

Will be curious to see if there is a small death tick up, but so far we haven't seen it and are a good month since the begging of the blip of cases slightly rising. 

1 minute ago, paco said:

Deaths have been trending down steadily since Jan 12.  Even when we has a small blip of cases rising, deaths have still gone down.  

 

Will be curious to see if there is a small death tick up, but so far we haven't seen it and are a good month since the begging of the blip of cases slightly rising. 

And that's got to be encouraging with the vaccines because ultimately that's what they are there to do. 

37 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Sure it does. Since insurance companies can't charge them more, they get added to the risk pool for determining premiums. So healthy people pay more because others choose to be unhealthy. 

Insurance companies should be able to charge the obese more for premiums.

Maybe I phrased that poorly. I meant obesity isn’t communicable, so cost aren’t compounded by one person coming into contact with another. 

33 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The numbers are trending in the right direction then?

For now yes

Vaccinations really starting to drop

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

 

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

Do you get the flu shot?

Nope.

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What's the reason for that? 

 

Americans are stupid.

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Nope.

Neither do I, but COVID is a different ballgame.

20 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What's the reason for that? We have had the same in the UK due to supply but it was expected in April. 

Because some people spent a year saying covid is no big deal, so taking any action like getting vaccinated would essentially be admitting they were wrong. And then you've got other people that think vaccines aren't that effective so they just throw their hands up and say "Why bother?"

Fun times.

18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What's the reason for that? We have had the same in the UK due to supply but it was expected in April. 

We have country full of Trump loving morons who think the earth is flat and big pharma wants to kill them

11 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Nope.

Ok. All vaccines have potential adverse side effects. Just an FYI.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Sure it does. Since insurance companies can't charge them more, they get added to the risk pool for determining premiums. So healthy people pay more because others choose to be unhealthy. 

Insurance companies should be able to charge the obese more for premiums.

One of my previous employers tried this. At the meeting to announce it, someone asked the VP of Human resources "So exactly how much scotch and pepperoni pizza am I allowed to have" :lol:

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