May 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Big pharma waited until a day after the election for the big reveal of their product. I hope Biden effs them good and hard. This is essentially what they voted for. Somebody's still salty
May 6, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Fair enough, I just wanted to bring the perspective in here. Regardless, I'm in favor of any solution that allows us to rapidly vaccinate the developing world, because the pandemic isn't ending until we do. That's all well and good for the current situation (which is irrelevant, because the bottlenecks in production aren't IP related anyway.) But beyond that, these companies will remember not to take such risks for the next pandemic. We're grateful that a vaccine was developed so quickly, but next time we might not be so lucky due to myopic decisions like this.
May 6, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: That's all well and good for the current situation (which is irrelevant, because the bottlenecks in production aren't IP related anyway.) But beyond that, these companies will remember not to take such risks for the next pandemic. We're grateful that a vaccine was developed so quickly, but next time we might not be so lucky due to myopic decisions like this. Yes, I did see you mention the bottleneck due to lack of raw materials, so that's a big factor. Once the supply catches up, though, do you really think there will be enough manufacturing capacity to vaccinate the rest of the world in time? To your comment about risk, I know Pfizer didn't accept federal funds for its development program, but the others did, so wasn't the risk limited for those other companies?
May 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Not wrong. Oh, there's no doubt, they F'd Trump good. It was coordinated and amazing. That's how sheety of a President Trump was.
May 6, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yes, I did see you mention the bottleneck due to lack of raw materials, so that's a big factor. Once the supply catches up, though, do you really think there will be enough manufacturing capacity to vaccinate the rest of the world in time? To your comment about risk, I know Pfizer didn't accept federal funds for its development program, but the others did, so wasn't the risk limited for those other companies? As long as this was disclosed as a condition of accepting federal funding, then I'm fine with it. But if not, then this is blatant IP theft, no different than what we criticize China for all the time. Albert Bourla has already come out against this and said this make no sense. I suspect Bancel and Sahin will do the same. Pissing off these companies is the absolute dumbest thing we can do right now.
May 6, 20214 yr Big Pharma wants to end the pandemic so they can get back to charging lots of money for drugs people don’t even need.
May 6, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Big Pharma wants to end the pandemic so they can get back to charging lots of money for drugs people don’t even need. Bash pfizer all you want, but can we consider the likes of moderna, biontech, and novavax as "big pharma"? They had pre-covid market caps of $6B, $4B, and $1B. Unjustly punishing them for any sins committed by their competitors will only ensure the deceptive behavior you decry will perpetuate.
May 6, 20214 yr 42 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: We can look out the window, but not directly at someone. That's how Covid spreads. Yup. Our brilliant government decided to throw the manufacturer's instructions to the wind in order to get first shots into more arms sooner. I guess we just won't worry about those pesky 3-4 week recommended intervals. 🤷♂️ This is what happens when your vaccine supply is limited and operated by morons. Basically, socialized medicine in a nutshell. Didn't they also decide to mix and match pfizer and moderna if there was lack of availability of one when the time for the second shot was due?
May 6, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, paco said: Didn't they also decide to mix and match pfizer and moderna if there was lack of availability of one when the time for the second shot was due? They haven't given that the green light, but it's been in discussion recently. So, so dumb.
May 6, 20214 yr How about a cocktail of Pfizer, Moderna AND J&J all at once? That's like 250% protection!
May 6, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: How about a cocktail of Pfizer, Moderna AND J&J all at once? That's like 250% protection! Pretty sure you can pick up the holy trinity on any street corner in Baltimore.
May 6, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: They haven't given that the green light, but it's been in discussion recently. So, so dumb. Maybe someday you can at least go to Buffalo to see the Jays
May 6, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Maybe someday you can at least go to Buffalo to see the Jays F the Jays and F Joe Carter!
May 6, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, downundermike said: But it’s voter suppression if your required to have one of these to vote....😳 imagine that
May 6, 20214 yr 28 minutes ago, Brianfive said: But it’s voter suppression if your required to have one of these to vote....😳 imagine that
May 6, 20214 yr Republican Liars and Hypocrites.https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-promote-pandemic-relief-voted-040512778.html Republicans promote pandemic relief they voted against NEW YORK (AP) — Rep. Nicole Malliotakis, R-N.Y., said it pained her to vote against the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan. But in the weeks that followed, the first-term Republican issued a news release celebrating more than $3.7 million from the package that went to community health centers in her district as one of her "achievements.” She said she prided herself on "bringing federal funding to the district and back into the pockets of taxpayers.” Malliotakis is far from alone. Every Republican in Congress voted against the sweeping pandemic relief bill that President Joe Biden signed into law three months ago.
May 6, 20214 yr https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/analysis-half-of-global-coronavirus-deaths-unreported/ar-BB1gqSQ8?li=BBnb7Kz The real count of global deaths caused by the coronavirus is more than double the number officially reported, according to a new analysis. Researchers at the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation analyzed excess mortality numbers and found about 6.9 million global fatalities from the virus. The current count reported by Johns Hopkins University's COVID-19 dashboard is over 3.2 million deaths. "Pretty much we're seeing an undercount everywhere," Christopher Murray, IHME director, said during a press briefing. Almost every country has significantly underreported its deaths, according to the analysis. The analysis found that the U.S. still has the highest death toll of any country. But instead of the country's official toll of nearly 580,000 lives lost, it is actually over 900,000, according to the analysis. That number would put the U.S. well over the death toll from the 1918 flu pandemic, which was estimated to be about 675,00 lives. Murray detailed reasons for why countries are underreporting coronavirus deaths, including missing cases unintentionally as health care systems come under pressure and lack of adequate testing to identify COVID-19-caused deaths. But some countries have such a large disparity in the numbers that "there likely is something else going on – something around either coding practice by physicians or recommendations on the statistical front," Murray said. Researchers performed the analysis by calculating excess mortality, which is the number of deaths beyond what would be expected based on pre-pandemic trends. They adjusted the excess deaths to account for certain factors like the impact of decreased access to health care during the pandemic and lower traffic deaths due to less mobility. Murray said that "if anything, the estimates that we have now of the total [COVID-19] death rate are undercounts" because researchers did not factor in the surprisingly low death count from the flu this season into their mortality calculations. Instead of Brazil following the U.S. as the second-highest reported death toll, the actual count would put India as second, Murray said. India, which reports roughly 230,000 deaths from the virus, has a death toll over 650,000, according to the analysis. The country has been accused of underreporting cases and deaths as it sees an unprecedented coronavirus surge. Mexico follows India with similar numbers – 218,000 official deaths but 617,000 in the report. Russia is the most underreported nation with a difference of over 480,000 deaths between its official death toll of 110,000 deaths and the analysis' estimate of more than 590,000 fatalities. Researchers also found a stark difference in Egypt's numbers with the country reporting over 13,000 deaths but the analysis estimating the toll to be roughly 170,000. IHME predicts that the global coronavirus death toll will rise to 9.4 million by September, with India surpassing the U.S. as the country with the highest death toll.
May 6, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, Kz! said: Can't wait until the government fully takes over healthcare here in America! According to my Trump watch, he's going to release his healthcare plan in 2 weeks!
May 6, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Brianfive said: But it’s voter suppression if your required to have one of these to vote....😳 imagine that Yeah, because none of those other ID Requirements on the list, are in the Constitution, but Voting is. It's a Fundamental Right.
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