May 7, 20215 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Why does this idiocy continue. Once again: there is no Constitutional right to vote. I know what you're getting at, but the 15th Amendment pretty explicitly mentions it: Quote The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
May 7, 20215 yr You can’t be denied the vote based on race, gender, inability to pay a poll tax or age (if 18 or older). That’s it. Otherwise, eligibility is up to the states. There is no universal right to vote.
May 7, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: You can’t be denied the vote based on race, gender, inability to pay a poll tax or age (if 18 or older). That’s it. Otherwise, eligibility is up to the states. There is no universal right to vote. This is right. And each state has its own constitution, some of which are 100 or 200 years old. What I find a little funny is the conservative argument that states couldn’t vote by mail because it wasn’t in their Constitution. I think this was the crux of the attack on PA
May 7, 20215 yr 11 hours ago, lynched1 said: People die every day. Nothing sad or funny about it. What is funny are the actions and reactions surrounding the Kung flu and the vaccine hysteria. No idea of the long term effects. No idea how long these "vaccines" are effective. The manufacturers are shielded from liability. But having that unproven, experimental crap pumped into your arm is "patriotic"? BS. I'll be interested in the effects it may have on the younger generation and their offspring. I'm interested in the effects of learning on idiots, but you don't seem capable of learning.
May 7, 20215 yr 8 hours ago, Dave Moss said: This is right. And each state has its own constitution, some of which are 100 or 200 years old. What I find a little funny is the conservative argument that states couldn’t vote by mail because it wasn’t in their Constitution. I think this was the crux of the attack on PA Vote by mail was passed by the Republican legislature and signed into law by the Democratic governor in 2019, predating the pandemic. What Republicans objected to was how the state administered vote by mail for the 2020 election. They challenged various policies put in place by the Democratic led executive branch and won one but lost most challenges when the PA SC mostly sided with the Executive branch. Republicans were still salty about it, but the fact of the matter is millions voted in good faith based on the rules that were in place, and even if some ruling came out after the election that some of the policies ran afoul of the law (which hasn't happened, just a hypothetical) the election would stand because it was conducted in good faith based on the interpretation of the law at the time. Some Republicans are just whiny bishes - worse than ANY triggered lefty after Hillary lost - who didn't want to accept that their guy lost fair and square.
May 7, 20215 yr 15 hours ago, downundermike said: Maybe it's the camera angle, but lane doesn't look very swole in that picture. Thought I was looking at Spadaro for a second.
May 7, 20215 yr On 5/6/2021 at 8:10 AM, Dawkins 20 said: First shot is booked for the 19th! I was able to get this moved up to tomorrow. Looks like I'll be getting the Pfizer shot. If I feel like ish afterwards does that mean the microchips are working or not working?
May 7, 20215 yr 12 hours ago, vikas83 said: Why does this idiocy continue. Once again: there is no Constitutional right to vote. For all the Morons who believe there is no Constitutional right to vote. (Are you now going to tell me that Amendments are not part of the Constitution?) Art. 1 Sec. 2. The House of Representatives shall be chosen every second year by the people of the several states. The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution grants full citizenship rights, including voting rights, to all men born or naturalized in the United States. 15th Amendment: Sec. 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote Shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude. 17th Amendment: Article 1. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof. 19th Amendment: Article 1. The right of citizens of the United Sates to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of Sex. 26th Amendment: Section 1. The right of Citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. Citizens also voted to elect George Washington.
May 7, 20215 yr Yeah, none of that demonstrates a right to vote for all citizens, because...spoiler alert...it doesn't exist. If all citizens have the right to vote, and women were US citizens before 1920, why did we need the 18th amendment? If all citizens have the right to vote, and children are citizens, why can't those below 18 vote? You should leave the discussion to the adults.
May 7, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: Yeah, none of that demonstrates a right to vote for all citizens, because...spoiler alert...it doesn't exist. If all citizens have the right to vote, and women were US citizens before 1920, why did we need the 18th amendment? If all citizens have the right to vote, and children are citizens, why can't those below 18 vote? You should leave the discussion to the adults. All citizens do have a right to vote (except in explicit circumstances), as referenced in numerous amendments, but as you said, the conditions under which they may exercise that right are largely left to the states. I don't think anyone is arguing that ID laws are unconstitutional, at least I never would. I just have a problem with the way they are being used by Republicans to disenfranchise certain segments of the population who don't vote for them. As long as the IDs are free and easily obtainable, I guess I don't have an issue with it. Many European countries have some kind of ID laws. There are limited cases, though, where citizens don't have the right documentation, like they lost a birth certificate, and it can be very difficult to get these documents for some people, particularly older folks who have trouble getting their hospital records. So, I think we agree, I just don't know why you're trying to frame this as "There is no right to vote!" You sound like TEW-lite, lol.
May 7, 20215 yr The right to vote isn't explicit, it's an implied right as part of citizenship in the 14th. But also implied in the 14th is that states have wide latitude in how they can abridge the right to vote. Later amendments made unconstitutional the use of race, being a former slave, being a woman, or age as a basis for denying the right to vote, but it didn't change the basic underlying understanding that states have a lot of independence in determining who can and who cannot vote. So is it a right? It's a right of citizenship to a degree, yes, but one that can be abridged by states and as such it's not nearly as universal as those listed in the Bill of Rights for example. It's more of a privilege of citizenship that can be denied based on bad behavior.
May 7, 20215 yr 45 minutes ago, Kz! said: @Joe Shades 73 thoughts? So glad we have these well qualified athletes to tell us all this stuff. I mean, how else would we know anything about a deadly virus if it weren’t for these experts. It’s not like we have anyone who spent 10 years in school to learn about it and dedicate their lives to researching these viruses. Thank god the nba exists, their saving lives every day.
May 7, 20215 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: I'm interested in the effects of learning on idiots, but you don't seem capable of learning. I learn new crap everyday. Today I've learned you seem very insecure. Challenging your willingness to shoot unproven chemicals into your body like a heroin junkie seems to threaten you. 😉
May 7, 20215 yr 7 minutes ago, lynched1 said: I learn new crap everyday. Today I've learned you seem very insecure. Challenging your willingness to shoot unproven chemicals into your body like a heroin junkie seems to threaten you. 😉 This might be one of the dumbest takes I have ever heard. How do you function on a day-to-day basis?
May 7, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, jsdarkstar said: For all the Morons who believe there is no Constitutional right to vote. (Are you now going to tell me that Amendments are not part of the Constitution?) Art. 1 Sec. 2. The House of Representatives shall be chosen every second year by the people of the several states. The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution grants full citizenship rights, including voting rights, to all men born or naturalized in the United States. 15th Amendment: Sec. 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote Shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude. 17th Amendment: Article 1. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof. 19th Amendment: Article 1. The right of citizens of the United Sates to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of Sex. 26th Amendment: Section 1. The right of Citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. Citizens also voted to elect George Washington. The constitution doesn’t give you the right to vote. What it does do, through the amendments, is make sure if you’re a woman, minority, slave, etc that states can’t deny you the same opportunity to vote based on that, because, our forefathers said that ALL men (and women) are created equal. So the amendments make sure that every race, color, and gender is treated equally in regards to voting. But it has never and will never give you the right to vote. the states that are trying to force voter ID laws and make people register and jump through all these hoops are attempting to disenfranchise their citizens, which is where the "that’s unconstitutional” debate comes in. Technically asking for an ID isn’t, but in a roundabout way could be because it makes it more difficult for a certain group to vote which in essence violates one of the constitutional amendments. this is like basic 7th grade world culture class material. Didnt anyone go to school?
May 7, 20215 yr 34 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The right to vote isn't explicit The 15th and 19th Amendments explicitly reference "the right of the citizens of the United States to vote." No rights are absolute, though, and can be regulated or restricted in limited instances. 34 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's more of a privilege of citizenship that can be denied based on bad behavior. At best, this statement is highly debatable and fraught with Constitutional dilemmas.
May 7, 20215 yr 22 hours ago, Brianfive said: But it’s voter suppression if your required to have one of these to vote....😳 imagine that
May 7, 20215 yr 35 minutes ago, lynched1 said: I learn new crap everyday. Today I've learned you seem very insecure. Challenging your willingness to shoot unproven chemicals into your body like a heroin junkie seems to threaten you. 😉 No. Anti-masker idiots like you threaten the lives of my fellow Americans. I'm a firm believer in vaccines thanks to growing up before some of the popular ones and getting a disease while in the USAF in a foreign country. A disease that would be extinct in the US if not for people like you. It's okay if you are scared. I understand.
May 7, 20215 yr 18 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The 15th and 19th Amendments explicitly reference "the right of the citizens of the United States to vote." No rights are absolute, though, and can be regulated or restricted in limited instances. At best, this statement is highly debatable and fraught with Constitutional dilemmas. There was very little agreement among those drafting the Constitution about who should be able to vote. This wasn't just a concern about slaves and blacks (though it was part of it), but also a question of land-owners vs. non-land-owners, etc. So from a Constitutional standpoint, this was a purposeful omission; they didn't have an answer that worked for EVERY state, so it was up to the individual states to decide. The above references the right to vote, but only within the context of how it cannot be abridged. Reading Amendment 14, Section 2: Quote But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. Paraphrasing the literal text: But when the right to vote at any [federal] election is denied or in any way abridged, with the exception of rebellion/etc., the basis of representation will be reduced. The broad phrasing of denying the right to vote makes it pretty clear that states have a lot of latitude. To me, it comes down to a semantic argument of what defines a right vs a privilege. Your right to free speech can never truly be taken away; it may be abridged in certain circumstances, but regardless of your status this right is not one the government can suppress. But who may vote is very much a determination left to the states.
May 7, 20215 yr 33 minutes ago, DBW said: The constitution doesn’t give you the right to vote. JFC, the Constitution explicitly states reasons that you cannot be denied the right to vote. You could've originally considered this an implied right, but later on, we wrote amendments to make it explicit. Now, if you're arguing that the right is not absolute and that it can be regulated/altered, you'll get no argument here, but the repetitive statement that "ThErE iS nO rIgHt to vOtE" is demonstrably false. It looks like the alt-right propaganda is working like a charm and has gotten to so-called CVON libertarians. What a shame 33 minutes ago, DBW said: The constitution doesn’t give you the right to vote. What it does do, through the amendments, is make sure if you’re a woman, minority, slave, etc that states can’t deny you the same opportunity to vote based on that, because, our forefathers state in the constitution that ALL men (and women) are created equal...which is where the "that’s unconstitutional” debate comes in. this is like basic 7th grade world culture class material. Didnt anyone go to school? Yeah, but in all fairness, I only spent 6 years of postsecondary education studying history, so maybe we need to get a PhD in here. Ironically, you are trying to make an argument about Constitutionality by refrencing the Declaration of Independence, which is legally irrelevant to the discussion. Who needs to go to school again?
May 7, 20215 yr On 5/7/2021 at 11:48 AM, Toastrel said: No. Anti-masker idiots like you threaten the lives of my fellow Americans. I'm a firm believer in vaccines thanks to growing up before some of the popular ones and getting a disease while in the USAF in a foreign country. A disease that would be extinct in the US if not for people like you. It's okay if you are scared. I understand. You don't even make any sense dumb***. If your train of thought was correct you'd be vaccinated and safe while I'd be dead. The reality is my immune system has already beaten it once with minimal effect and no side effects. Your dumb*** doesn't even know how effective that "vaccine" is or how often you have to keep getting shots. I'm not the one living in fear sweetheart.
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