Ive been up all night feeling like complete ass.... Stupid vaccine

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Ive been up all night feeling like complete ass.... Stupid vaccine

It sucks but it will pass.  The next day schmoopie felt like s***.  The day after she was fine.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

It sucks but it will pass.  The next day schmoopie felt like s***.  The day after she was fine.

Definitely getting all the side effects... Which is odd for me I usually don't have any side effects or reactions to stuff like this. 

6 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm groggy and achy

Try to stay hydrated and get some rest. Should clear up today hopefully

My son-in-law is on the day after his second dose today.  He feels pretty poorly.  I told him that it should pass...

^It really bugs these guys that Fauci has been right the whole time.

There's been some mixed messaging for sure, especially early on, but that's because he's been forced to wear a lot of hats and has been designated as the face of our pandemic response, including during a time when he had constantly to reword everything coming from Atlas and Trump. He's an immunologist, also trying to pinch hit as a virologist and epidemiologist, so I try to cut him some slack. Redfield, Birx, and now Wolensky, deserve a lot of the flack directed at Fauci. But that level of distinction doesn't make for good political cartoons, so I get it.

Filed under "Vaccines Aren't That Effective"

Cue the response, "bUt 99.75 iZn'T 100!!!1!"

 

The Cleveland Clinic on Tuesday released a study showing that 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated, according to data provided to Axios

https://www.axios.com/study-hospitalized-coronavirus-patients-unvaccinated-7ed34f63-fd1d-437c-b4b7-0c1dd3600a15.html

46 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

^It really bugs these guys that Fauci has been right the whole time.

 

36 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There's been some mixed messaging for sure, especially early on, but that's because he's been forced to wear a lot of hats and has been designated as the face of our pandemic response, including during a time when he had constantly to reword everything coming from Atlas and Trump. He's an immunologist, also trying to pinch hit as a virologist and epidemiologist, so I try to cut him some slack. Redfield, Birx, and now Wolensky, deserve a lot of the flack directed at Fauci. But that level of distinction doesn't make for good political cartoons, so I get it.

I am still waiting for him to post a good political cartoon though.

40 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

There's been some mixed messaging for sure, especially early on, but that's because he's been forced to wear a lot of hats and has been designated as the face of our pandemic response, including during a time when he had constantly to reword everything coming from Atlas and Trump. He's an immunologist, also trying to pinch hit as a virologist and epidemiologist, so I try to cut him some slack. Redfield, Birx, and now Wolensky, deserve a lot of the flack directed at Fauci. But that level of distinction doesn't make for good political cartoons, so I get it.

let's also not forget this was a novel virus about which very little was known. early advice was little more than an educated guess based on incomplete information, drawing knowledge from what were understood to be similar viruses. 

1 hour ago, paco said:

It sucks but it will pass.  The next day schmoopie felt like s***.  The day after she was fine.

Yup, 24-36 hours, it's like clockwork.

12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

let's also not forget this was a novel virus about which very little was known. early advice was little more than an educated guess based on incomplete information, drawing knowledge from what were understood to be similar viruses. 

Agreed. There's also an element of "knowing your audience" as well. He's not a politician, so he probably didn't expect an off-hand comment about two masks being better than one, being run with and used as a political football like it was.

In any case, it's obvious that most of the criticisms leveled at him generally come from a place of political loyalty and/or distrust of authority. No different than a doctor telling you to lose weight, while you curse his name as you walk out of the office. The advice is medically sound, but not well received by some people because "This is America! You can't tell me what to do!"

17 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

let's also not forget this was a novel virus about which very little was known. early advice was little more than an educated guess based on incomplete information, drawing knowledge from what were understood to be similar viruses. 

I still remember getting pissed that schmoopie was asking me to get the mail on a Saturday and I wanted to wait until Monday so any virus on the mail could die off.  Then I'd bring the mail to the front step and lysol the s*** out of it.

 

I turned my garage into a clean room.  Groceries that were non perishable would sit in there for a few days.  I would then strip in there, sanitize my hands, put on a set of boxers and jump straight into the shower.

 

I was clean shaven for the first time in over a decade.  Was worried that the hair on my face would prevent my N95 from having a proper seal on my face.

 

Those first two months for us everything was in overdrive on the side of caution.

18 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

let's also not forget this was a novel virus about which very little was known.

BINGO. I can't stand these morons that don't understand that scientific discovery involves a lot of guesswork until you can study things enough to figure out how they actually work. They're like "HA! So scientists DON'T know everything and CAN'T predict the future, stupid!"

32 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

 

Thanks for proving my point.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Agreed. There's also an element of "knowing your audience" as well. He's not a politician, so he probably didn't expect an off-hand comment about two masks being better than one, being run with and used as a political football like it was.

In any case, it's obvious that most of the criticisms leveled at him generally come from a place of political loyalty and/or distrust of authority. No different than a doctor telling you to lose weight, while you curse his name as you walk out of the office. The advice is medically sound, but not well received by some people because "This is America! You can't tell me what to do!"

the trust/distrust of authority thing is 100% linked to political loyalty. 

there are ballot initiatives in PA that would remove much of the emergency declaration authority from the Governor to the Legislature, and I expect it to pass because voters are morons. 

the only reason it's on the ballot is because Republicans want it there, and because they believe Republicans will maintain control of the legislature for the foreseeable future due to gerrymandering and population distribution. 

but yeah, let's remove something that is clearly a role for the executive branch and put it in the hands of an increasingly radical and unhinged group of legislators who believe the election was stolen and masks are part of some liberal conspiracy to enslave the masses. all because you don't like the fact that we have a Democrat governor who was perhaps cautious to a fault on COVID-19. 

brilliant. 

3 minutes ago, paco said:

I still remember getting pissed that schmoopie was asking me to get the mail on a Saturday and I wanted to wait until Monday so any virus on the mail could die off.  Then I'd bring the mail to the front step and lysol the s*** out of it.

 

I turned my garage into a clean room.  Groceries that were non perishable would sit in there for a few days.  I would then strip in there, sanitize my hands, put on a set of boxers and jump straight into the shower.

 

I was clean shaven for the first time in over a decade.  Was worried that the hair on my face would prevent my N95 from having a proper seal on my face.

 

Those first two months for us everything was in overdrive on the side of caution.

which is a perfectly rational response to a virus that you see racking up body counts in Italy, Spain, China, and NYC, which is what was happening at the time. 

but covidiots like to forget that these things happened, and that millions have died worldwide.

My daughter goes for her 2nd Pfizer dose today.  She was sore, fatigued and knocked out for the 1st one for a day, so I hope this one goes better.  She was very very hesitant.  Didn't consent to the J&J back in March which was before the pause.

I'm over a week out from my 2nd dose and only had a sore arm from both.

Not sure what the 27 year old will do, but figure I have all summer to work on him.  

 

45 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

which is a perfectly rational response to a virus that you see racking up body counts in Italy, Spain, China, and NYC, which is what was happening at the time. 

but covidiots like to forget that these things happened, and that millions have died worldwide.

Wrong every single country cared about trump being in office

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

BINGO. I can't stand these morons that don't understand that scientific discovery involves a lot of guesswork until you can study things enough to figure out how they actually work. They're like "HA! So scientists DON'T know everything and CAN'T predict the future, stupid!"

These are the same people that won’t take the vaccine because "it was rushed” and fail to realize or acknowledge the fact that coronavirus has been studied for 50 years, and we had decades of research related to SARS and MERS dating back to 2002.  There was a vaccine in development back then ready for human trials that they squashed  because all the mask wearing in China and Japan basically eradicated it at the time and there was no need to dump billions of dollars into continuing that process.  We picked up where all that left off and finished the vaccines.  Trump called it warp speed as if they started from scratch but they were literally 80% of the way to having the vaccines already.  We skipped through basically 20 years worth of research and study because we already had it.  But, yeah science isn’t a thing for these people. 

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

let's also not forget this was a novel virus about which very little was known. early advice was little more than an educated guess based on incomplete information, drawing knowledge from what were understood to be similar viruses. 

This. A million times this. They also didn't want people hoarding masks when healthcare workers couldn't get them at the beginning. 

I will say that, at this point, the CDC in particular is losing credibility by being way too cautious. No reason for people to wear masks outside, based on what we know at this point. And vaccinated folks should really be pretty much free.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This. A million times this. They also didn't want people hoarding masks when healthcare workers couldn't get them at the beginning. 

I will say that, at this point, the CDC in particular is losing credibility by being way too cautious. No reason for people to wear masks outside, based on what we know at this point. And vaccinated folks should really be pretty much free.

I tend to agree.

You do need to be careful not to allow politics to override science, but from a policy perspective you have to consider the politics of things if your ultimate goal is the best healthcare outcome possible for the entire nation. 

Being overly cautious is just going to play into the hands of deniers and conspiracists, lending credence to their claims and appealing to the uneducated and skeptical who have some ability to reason critically. 

The scientists need to present the case, and be honest about the risk factors of different policy decisions. And the policy decision should be made based on what's going to result in the best outcomes, which unfortunately has to take into account the effects that personal politics has on individual decision making.