45 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

which is a perfectly rational response to a virus that you see racking up body counts in Italy, Spain, China, and NYC, which is what was happening at the time. 

but covidiots like to forget that these things happened, and that millions have died worldwide.

Wrong every single country cared about trump being in office

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

BINGO. I can't stand these morons that don't understand that scientific discovery involves a lot of guesswork until you can study things enough to figure out how they actually work. They're like "HA! So scientists DON'T know everything and CAN'T predict the future, stupid!"

These are the same people that won’t take the vaccine because "it was rushed” and fail to realize or acknowledge the fact that coronavirus has been studied for 50 years, and we had decades of research related to SARS and MERS dating back to 2002.  There was a vaccine in development back then ready for human trials that they squashed  because all the mask wearing in China and Japan basically eradicated it at the time and there was no need to dump billions of dollars into continuing that process.  We picked up where all that left off and finished the vaccines.  Trump called it warp speed as if they started from scratch but they were literally 80% of the way to having the vaccines already.  We skipped through basically 20 years worth of research and study because we already had it.  But, yeah science isn’t a thing for these people. 

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

let's also not forget this was a novel virus about which very little was known. early advice was little more than an educated guess based on incomplete information, drawing knowledge from what were understood to be similar viruses. 

This. A million times this. They also didn't want people hoarding masks when healthcare workers couldn't get them at the beginning. 

I will say that, at this point, the CDC in particular is losing credibility by being way too cautious. No reason for people to wear masks outside, based on what we know at this point. And vaccinated folks should really be pretty much free.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This. A million times this. They also didn't want people hoarding masks when healthcare workers couldn't get them at the beginning. 

I will say that, at this point, the CDC in particular is losing credibility by being way too cautious. No reason for people to wear masks outside, based on what we know at this point. And vaccinated folks should really be pretty much free.

I tend to agree.

You do need to be careful not to allow politics to override science, but from a policy perspective you have to consider the politics of things if your ultimate goal is the best healthcare outcome possible for the entire nation. 

Being overly cautious is just going to play into the hands of deniers and conspiracists, lending credence to their claims and appealing to the uneducated and skeptical who have some ability to reason critically. 

The scientists need to present the case, and be honest about the risk factors of different policy decisions. And the policy decision should be made based on what's going to result in the best outcomes, which unfortunately has to take into account the effects that personal politics has on individual decision making.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This. A million times this. They also didn't want people hoarding masks when healthcare workers couldn't get them at the beginning. 

I will say that, at this point, the CDC in particular is losing credibility by being way too cautious. No reason for people to wear masks outside, based on what we know at this point. And vaccinated folks should really be pretty much free.

The day I don't have a drawer in our china cabinet dedicated to masks for a family of four will be a glorious day.  Can't wait to put them in storage.  Baseball and softball season have been no masks for the kids.  Most parents haven't been wearing them either.  Bleachers are closed so everybody is distanced in their folding chairs. 

The CDC has consistently understated the impact of vaccines and done an all-around terrible job of dangling the carrot over the past few months. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The CDC has consistently understated the impact of vaccines and done an all-around terrible job of dangling the carrot over the past few months. 

Its been a constant stream of mix messaging. Take the vaccine it works! But you still have to wear masks and avoid indoor gatherings even if your vaccinated because reasons!

The real reason is that there isn't enough data to know whether a vaccinated person can be an a symptomatic spreader. They think its still possible that someone could be vaccinated, contract covid, spread covid, then be covid free a few weeks later never knowing they had it at all because the vaccine fought it off. How likely such a scenario it, they don't know. 

Just now, Gannan said:

Its been a constant stream of mix messaging. Take the vaccine it works! But you still have to wear masks and avoid indoor gatherings even if your vaccinated because reasons!

The real reason is that there isn't enough data to know whether a vaccinated person can be an a symptomatic spreader. They think its still possible that someone could be vaccinated, contract covid, spread covid, then be covid free a few weeks later never knowing they had it at all because the vaccine fought it off. How likely such a scenario it, they don't know. 

they're not politicians. they're scientists and researchers paid to game out all possibilities and who do their level best not to bias towards what they may intuitively think is right, because that can confound good research. 

that approach works well when you're conducting research. but "people" need firmer answers from their leadership, so qualified answers are not going to play well with the public. 

this is a case where putting out firm guidance as informed as possible with a small blanket qualification that "this is still developing science, and while this is our best guidance based on current understanding this may change as we learn more" would have been much better. 

Got 2nd shot and asked for an empty vial, but he said they have to destroy them. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Got 2nd shot and asked for an empty vial, but he said they have to destroy them. 

Why?

1 minute ago, mikemack8 said:

Why?

So I can put bacteriostatic water in it and inject my anti vax Dad with it. 

Really just to have one as a dumb collector item. 

 

Rare fungal infections that destroy eyeballs and kill are on the rise in India

People with diabetes are particularly vulnerable to the aggressive fungus.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/rare-flesh-eating-black-fungus-rides-covids-coattails-in-india/

 

No. An eyeball eating fungus.

No. Hell no!!!

17 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Its been a constant stream of mix messaging. Take the vaccine it works! But you still have to wear masks and avoid indoor gatherings even if your vaccinated because reasons!

The real reason is that there isn't enough data to know whether a vaccinated person can be an a symptomatic spreader. They think its still possible that someone could be vaccinated, contract covid, spread covid, then be covid free a few weeks later never knowing they had it at all because the vaccine fought it off. How likely such a scenario it, they don't know. 

We have a rough idea, and it's highly unlikely. But they buried the lede and instead erred on the side of thinking Americans can read between the lines (if they can read at all.) Spoiler alert: they can't.

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Filed under "Vaccines Aren't That Effective"

Cue the response, "bUt 99.75 iZn'T 100!!!1!"

 

The Cleveland Clinic on Tuesday released a study showing that 99.75% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Jan. 1 and April 13 were not fully vaccinated, according to data provided to Axios

https://www.axios.com/study-hospitalized-coronavirus-patients-unvaccinated-7ed34f63-fd1d-437c-b4b7-0c1dd3600a15.html

3 New york yankees that were fully vaccinated now have covid

We've had the same issues here as well. Politicians will say how important it is to get vaccinated so we can end the pandemic and return to a normal way of life, and then the next day the same politicians will preach about how we couldn't possibly lift restrictions any time soon and that vaccinated people still need to wear masks/distance/the whole 9 yards. Then they wonder why there's vaccine hesitancy.

7 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

3 New york yankees that were fully vaccinated now have covid

7 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

3 New york yankees that were fully vaccinated now have covid

I’d be interested to know the timing of their vaccinations. I work with someone who was in line for their second shot when he got the email that he was positive from a test he took 3 days prior out of caution.  Had he not gotten that email and stepped out of the line, he would have gotten his second shot and been "fully vaccinated” only to test positive a few days later and considered a breakthrough case.  The timing is important here because we know that one shot only gives a certain level of protection, and even after the second shot you’re still a couple weeks away from the highest level of protection.  They could have picked it up a couple days after their second dose when their protection levels were not 95%.  

3 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

We've had the same issues here as well. Politicians will say how important it is to get vaccinated so we can end the pandemic and return to a normal way of life, and then the next day the same politicians will preach about how we couldn't possibly lift restrictions any time soon and that vaccinated people still need to wear masks/distance/the whole 9 yards. Then they wonder why there's vaccine hesitancy.

Need to hand out more stimmys based on being vaccinated.  Like a week paid vacation with hookers and blow.

2 minutes ago, DBW said:

I’d be interested to know the timing of their vaccinations. I work with someone who was in line for their second shot when he got the email that he was positive from a test he took 3 days prior out of caution.  Had he not gotten that email and stepped out of the line, he would have gotten his second shot and been "fully vaccinated” only to test positive a few days later and considered a breakthrough case.  The timing is important here because we know that one shot only gives a certain level of protection, and even after the second shot you’re still a couple weeks away from the highest level of protection.  They could have picked it up a couple days after their second dose when their protection levels were not 95%.  

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/05/yankees-covid-scare-everything-we-know-so-far-including-breakthrough-cases.html

Which vaccine did they get? Staff from Montefiore Medical Center administered the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine to players, staff and coaches at Yankee Stadium on April 7. However, it’s possible the Yankees’ confirmed positives weren’t vaccinated that day and that they received different brand shots.

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Need to hand out more stimmys based on being vaccinated.  Like a week paid vacation with hookers and blow.

All joking aside, they 100% should've done this for the last stimulus. 

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

All joking aside, they 100% should've done this for the last stimulus. 

Vax wasn't fully available to the public in most states at that point.

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Vax wasn't fully available to the public in most states at that point.

Then postpone a portion of the stimulus amount, payable upon confirmation of vaccination. Don't want da gooberment tracking muh data in a rejustree? Fine, then no gooberment handout subsidized by the rest of us.

Problem solved.

Sign of things to come

https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20210512003352320?section=national/national

16 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/05/yankees-covid-scare-everything-we-know-so-far-including-breakthrough-cases.html

Which vaccine did they get? Staff from Montefiore Medical Center administered the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine to players, staff and coaches at Yankee Stadium on April 7. However, it’s possible the Yankees’ confirmed positives weren’t vaccinated that day and that they received different brand shots.

Well then - we know J&J has been a joke anyway so I’m not surprised if they had breakthroughs.  But as it states they could have had other brands and the timing is unknown at this point.