4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Yeah, I can't possibly understand why a bunch of conspiracy oriented Trumplicans might have gotten it in their heads that Covid is a hoax and vaccines are a form of mind control.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Yeah, I can't possibly understand why a bunch of conspiracy oriented Trumplicans might have gotten it in their heads that Covid is a hoax and vaccines are a form of mind control.

That is so ridiculous. Vaccines are not mind control. 
 

They are simply the method of choice to get the microchip in us. 

12 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Oh yeah, Mitch? Really perplexed, huh?

14 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Oh yeah, Mitch? Really perplexed, huh?

He must use different news sources than Kz

The percentage of unvaccinated people among recent covid deaths should be relatively consistent across all states assuming they all have similar distribution of vaccine types. The number of covid deaths, or deaths per capita, would be higher in states with lagging vaccination rates though you'd have to account for the predominance of variants. A state like Missouri is especially vulnerable both due to the lagging vaccination rates, and also due to the predominance of delta. Meanwhile a state like Massachusetts should fare much better due to higher vaccination rates and lesser prevalence of delta. 

As for the headlines stating how effective or ineffective the vaccines are against delta, caution must be used to understand exactly what's being conveyed. When it comes to metrics in this context, there are three primary categories...

• Prevention of asymptomatic disease (e.g. You're infected and potentially unknowingly spreading it to others.)
• Prevention of symptomatic disease (e.g. You have symptoms of an infection, but not severe enough that you'd go to a hospital or require medical intervention.)
• Prevention of severe disease (e.g. You're sick as F and need to get your ass to urgent care or the hospital.)

Most of the commonly cited metrics of efficacy were in reference to that second category, such as when Pfizer stated their mRNA candidate we 94% effective of the original strain (pre-UK / alpha variant.)

We knew that prevention of severe disease was likewise 99+%.

And while determining efficacy against symptomatic disease was most difficult, we came out to somewhere in the 91% range. It was at this point that the CDC infamously revised their guidelines for all vaccinated people.

Delta seems to tilted things a bit though. So while mRNA vaccines are still overall extremely effective, we are seeing some signs that delta is a bit better than alpha and classic at breaking through. Coming up with revised percentages are very difficult because of all the variables that need to be controlled for now but we do know from a study in Singapore than vaccinated people can be infected with delta and spread it to other vaccinated people. So while some revised efficacy estimates are suspiciously low (like from Israel) most fall into the 70-80% range for asymptomatic prevention, about 85-90% for symptomatic prevention, and about 97-99% for severe prevention.

All in all, regional levels of community spread will continue to be the biggest factor of dictating personal risk, but this does mean most states will see an uptick come fall/winter and possibly even result in a return of indoor mask mandates in some cases. 

TL/DR: get the F'ing shot for you and anyone else you care about. This is a no-brainer just as it always has been.

The virus is doing its job, killing the stupid. The problem is it will keep mutating, forced vaccinations are the only way to stop it.

Where’s my **** @Green Dog?

Didn’t take long for me to be proven 100% right again. You’d think the kid would learn lmao

Sweet. When can I sign up?

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It was at this point that the CDC infamously revised their guidelines for all vaccinated people.

 

I remember back when this happened that I was one of very few people who thought the guidance reversal was premature. Do you now think likewise? Personally, I have and will continue to mask up in indoor public spaces, and the low-life degenerates can continue to think I'm a liberal pu$$y for doing so.

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

Just the delta variant. All the other variants are lame by comparison. 

They aren't variants, they're "scariants" aimed at scaring everyone into getting booster shots and/or the delta variant vaccine being developed by Pzier.

Folks need to know how the pharamdical and medical communities play the numbers game, all they need to do is say you're numbers are up and patients rush into unnecessary operations or begin taking pharameticuls with dangerous side effects.

Take control of your own health by way of what you put or not put into your body, "the germ is nothing and the terrian is everything" Louis Pastor, the mastermind of Germ Theory which he recanted on his death bed........this means that you don't catch anything from anyone, it's all BS folks!! 

11 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

They aren't variants, they're "scariants" 

 

Awwww, so cute!

10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I remember back when this happened that I was one of very few people who thought the guidance reversal was premature. Do you now think likewise? Personally, I have and will continue to mask up in indoor public spaces, and the low-life degenerates can continue to think I'm a liberal pu$$y for doing so.

I think the guidance was fine, the interpretation by states and a switch to the honor system was less so. But ultimately, it should be dictated by positive cases per capita. Nationally, it's very tough to provide guidance now due to such large disparities in regions and states, and delta will ensue that will only grow. If you're in an area with lagging vaccination rates and sustained community spread, then masking up indoors surely can't hurt.

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I think the guidance was fine, the interpretation by states and a switch to the honor system was less so.

But isn't that the problem? The CDC changed the guidance in a manner that encouraged the states to do exactly that.

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

But isn't that the problen? The CDC changed the guidance in a manner that encouraged the states to do exactly that.

There was an element of behavioral psychology to it as well. They were banking on the thought that the guidance would encourage people on the fence to go out and get vaccinated. From what we know now, it seemed to work to a degree. But like you said, I do wish they would've added some caveats to the guidance and specified more of an objective, metric based approach for when mask mandates should be lifted.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Where’s my **** @Green Dog?

Didn’t take long for me to be proven 100% right again. You’d think the kid would learn lmao

You said "third booster" dumb ass. This, if recommended by the CDC, would be the first booster. 

1 hour ago, EagleVA said:

Take control of your own health by way of what you put or not put into your body, "the germ is nothing and the terrian is everything" Louis Pastor, the mastermind of Germ Theory which he recanted on his death bed........this means that you don't catch anything from anyone, it's all BS folks!! 

Well crap that's a new one. So bacteria/viruses aren't real at all? Or they are real but don't cause any human diseases?

On 7/7/2021 at 12:25 PM, Dave Moss said:

Fortunately, we have a lot of math folks in CVON who can explain the difference between mean and median.

Or understand common phrases and need to break it down into technicalities on a sub forum of a 4th rate NFL team run by its stupid fans for reasons

On 7/7/2021 at 1:02 PM, we_gotta_believe said:

And account for population density

Wanna tell me again how Dr Dao got 650 million from United because of "sources”  

 

dumbest. troll. ever.  

On 7/7/2021 at 1:05 PM, Dave Moss said:

I was going to tag paco, but then I couldn’t remember everyone involved.

 

 

Totally my mistake for thinking it was whittle WGB. I mean, why the hell else would he bring up myanh8’s self own?  It’s WGBs MO to dig in his heels while claiming he is actually right and not give up an inch for months despite being mocked for his faux pas.  
 

So yeah, thought it was him reflexively saying "oh who cares, it’s just a small town” about a terrible liberal policy in a north Chicago suburb.  
 

But since I’m so forgetful, please remind me who tried to make the argument that it was a small town like some bumble f*** place in Texas no one has ever heard of that has a smaller population but over ten times the land mass. I mean, that comparison is peak CVON brilliance. New dad and too tired to go back and look it up

Just now, paco said:

Totally my mistake for thinking it was whittle WGB. I mean, why the hell else would he bring up myanh8’s self own?  It’s WGBs MO to dog in his heels while claiming he is actually right and not give up an inch for months despite being mocked for his faux pas.  
 

So yeah, thought it was him reflexively saying "oh who cares, it’s just a small town” about a terrible liberal policy in a north Chicago suburb.  
 

But since I’m so forgetful, please remind me who tried to make the argument that it was a small town like some bumble f*** place in Texas no one has ever heard of that has a smaller population but over ten times the land mass. I mean, that comparison is peak CVON brilliance. 

So much anger resulting in so much incoherence. Maybe if you calmed down a bit, you'd remember things a bit more clearly, paco.

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Awwww, so cute!

Careful.  He may give you a nickname next.  Look what he did to "JellybeanJoe”. Poor dude never recovered from that.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So much anger resulting in so much incoherence. Maybe if you calmed down a bit, you'd remember things a bit more clearly, paco.

Autocorrect and I find it hilarious I fixed my several minutes before you managed to string that sentence together. Not only are you looking for digs to win you CVON points at 10:30 at night, it takes you forever to do it  

 

Such a sad, stupid troll.  

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Autocorrect and somehow I fixed my several minutes before you managed to string that sentence together  

 

Such a sad, stupid troll.  

Several minutes?

It's ok, bud. Maybe take an edible or something. I mean, that probably won't help your memory issues, but at least it'll chill you out a bit.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Several minutes?

It's ok, bud. Maybe take an edible or something. I mean, that probably won't help your memory issues, but at least it'll chill you out a bit.

Says the guy trolling CVON at 10:30 at night. I’m dealing with a newborn (and therefore too tried to be anything but chill), so what’s your excuse? Except for being a sad, stupid troll. 

4 minutes ago, paco said:

Says the guy trolling CVON at 10:30 at night. I’m dealing with a newborn (and therefore too tried to be anything but chill), so what’s your excuse.  Except for being a sad, stupid troll. 

Already forgetting your own post from 17 minutes ago.  

So you can dish it out, but can't take it? Ahh that's too bad. Congrats on the kid though, being a dad is pretty damn cool. I think you'll dig it.

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Already forgetting your post from 17 minutes ago.  

So you can dish it out, but can't take it? Ahh that's too bad. Congrats on the kid though, being a dad is pretty damn cool. I think you'll dig it.

Literally took me a day to respond to your lame attempt at a dig at me. A dig you sent out of the blue for what reason exactly? (No need to answer, we all know why)
 

You, however, were on my responses in MINUTES. At 10:30ish at night. And in rapid fire to my responses to my following posts (since I now happen to be in this thread).  You know who exhibits that behavior?

 

Sad trolls. Sad, likely compensating, low IQ trolls