4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Sure. Now you’re in here asking people how to use Google.

And telling people to wear bubbles.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Sure. Now you’re in here asking people how to use Google.

fyp

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

And telling people to wear bubbles.

That was soooo yesterday

Dr Philly has never denied the effectiveness of masks, he was just "asking questions."

Are we really back to this discussion from a year ago ??  If you have a heart attack while driving, and die in a car accident, sure, the blunt force trauma is listed as your cause of death, but the heart attack is what killed you.  Same with Covid in conjunction with other conditions.

Secondary bacterial infections in the setting of an bad viral illness are relatively common. Viruses can severely reduce your body's innate immune response and lead to lung, kidney, blood, skin, brain bacterial infections etc, so it's a pretty common complication in the ICU setting. 

Now sitting around the hospital surrounded by sick people it's also pretty common to catch a nosocomial virus.  But given that this kid caught COVID at home that seems unlikely in this case. 

55 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Is there a link to an article that says he died "of" (or rather "due") to COVID or are we limited to this article that only gets as far as to say he died "with" COVID.

Horrible story no matter what the details show in the end of the day.

Google or DuckDuckGo not working for you?

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Are we really back to this discussion from a year ago ??  If you have a heart attack while driving, and die in a car accident, sure, the blunt force trauma is listed as your cause of death, but the heart attack is what killed you.  Same with Covid in conjunction with other conditions.

I don't think anyone is debating that at all.  At least I sure wasn't.

I have a few ex-pat friends who I keep in touch with on facebook.  They all seem to be super liberal, so I find Doc intriguing.  Lol

Just now, Toastrel said:

Google or DuckDuckGo not working for you?

Yeah, no worries, Google works just fine.  I thought you may have already had another article with clarity handy.  barho pointed me to one before I had the chance to look for one myself.  Thanks for asking though.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I don't think anyone is debating that at all.  At least I sure wasn't.

I dunno man, died of vs died due to ??  

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Is there a link to an article that says he died "of" (or rather "due") to COVID or are we limited to this article that only gets as far as to say he died "with" COVID.

Horrible story no matter what the details show in the end of the day.

 

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have a few ex-pat friends who I keep in touch with on facebook.  They all seem to be super liberal, so I find Doc intriguing.  Lol

If you hadn't noticed, I like to take the opposite side and conduct a discussion.  I'm plenty liberal and happily live in a social welfare state and one of the most liberal countries out there.  I do though have some right of middle views mainly around the rights of individuals and also around a desire to keep taxes as low as possible.  I'm going to be right of the ex-pat center though, yeah.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I dunno man, died of vs died due to ??  

 

Uhh, that in no way shape or form debates the kind of thing you are alluding to.  Or are you suggesting there are zero cases of people who have COVID but die of other causes that aren't COVID related?

Anyone who got the J&J shot might want to talk to your doctor about getting a single dose of an mRNA vaccine as a booster. This seems to be an emerging recommendation from prominent immunologists now that delta has been surging.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Anyone who got the J&J shot might want to talk to your doctor about getting a single dose of an mRNA vaccine as a booster. This seems to be an emerging recommendation from prominent immunologists now that delta has been surging.

Most won't do it without CDC guidance. I'm keeping an eye out for that.

5 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

Way to take a quote, skip parts of it so it is totally out of context.

Biden, in response to a last-minute question from Fox News reporter Peter Doocy, said President Donald Trump's repeated misstatements and dismissal of the coronavirus have eroded American confidence in government, which could spell trouble for a vaccine rollout.

"Why do we think, God willing, when we get a vaccine — that is good, works — why do we think the public is gonna line up to be willing to take the injection?" Biden asked. "We've lost so much confidence, the American people, in what's said [by the Trump administration]."

"This president has said so many things that are untrue, that are just wrong."

 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Except he didn't lie. Paul is just grandstanding for political theater. That people fall for the theatrics is just an indictment of the current state of affairs.

Didn’t claim he did, just the last 4yrs it seemed common place.  If not Congress, to general inspector, DOJ, FBI ….,etc.  I expect more of the same.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Most won't do it without CDC guidance. I'm keeping an eye out for that.

Fair enough.

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

Lock him up!

Oh look Rand Paul is trying to draw attention to himself in preparation for another failed presidential run 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Fair enough.

I mean, the new study pretty much says it's just as effective against Delta at 66% which is fine for a vaccine. I'm just wondering if they're going to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" since it's not in that 90% range.

Is there any data yet on breakthrough Covid cases?

Whenever I see someone on social media say they are a breakthrough Covid case the first thing everyone wants to know is which vaccine they got.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Is there any data yet on breakthrough Covid cases?

Whenever I see someone on social media say they are a breakthrough Covid case the first thing everyone wants to know is which vaccine they got.

I don't think so but from the articles I've seen here and there it's all over the place. Some Uber driver in Nevada got J&J, Eisen got Pfizer, some actress got Moderna. I'd imagine when the ratios come out that it would be slightly higher for J&J based on the 70% vs 95% numbers. However, the fact that like 170 million people got the mRNA shots and 13 million got the J&J vaccine and the breakthrough cases are like 5k tells me the vaccines are working.

One caveat is I think breakthrough cases being recorded are people who end up in the hospital. I don't think all positive cases are being recorded. It really would be impossible to. A bunch of Yankees who got the J&J vaccine tested positive even though none of them had symptoms.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

I mean, the new study pretty much says it's just as effective against Delta at 66% which is fine for a vaccine. I'm just wondering if they're going to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" since it's not in that 90% range.

Not sure if you're referring to the same serology study from two days ago, but it shows j&j had a significant reduction in neutralizing antibodies when tested against the delta variant compared to pfizer/moderna. 

4 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Everything is open

That's the way it should be. Shame it won't last here in the UK. 

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Is there any data yet on breakthrough Covid cases?

Whenever I see someone on social media say they are a breakthrough Covid case the first thing everyone wants to know is which vaccine they got.

Unfortunately, the CDC made the incredibly myopic decision to only track breakthrough infections if it resulted in hospitalization or death. In other words, they're not recommending a fully vaccinated person get tested when symptomatic, so we couldn't even track this if we wanted too. Not sure wtf the rationale is here, but this means we'll have to rely on other countries like the UK and Israel for data on breakthrough prevalence.