July 21, 20215 yr 55 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Is there a link to an article that says he died "of" (or rather "due") to COVID or are we limited to this article that only gets as far as to say he died "with" COVID. Horrible story no matter what the details show in the end of the day. Google or DuckDuckGo not working for you?
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, downundermike said: Are we really back to this discussion from a year ago ?? If you have a heart attack while driving, and die in a car accident, sure, the blunt force trauma is listed as your cause of death, but the heart attack is what killed you. Same with Covid in conjunction with other conditions. I don't think anyone is debating that at all. At least I sure wasn't.
July 21, 20215 yr I have a few ex-pat friends who I keep in touch with on facebook. They all seem to be super liberal, so I find Doc intriguing. Lol
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, Toastrel said: Google or DuckDuckGo not working for you? Yeah, no worries, Google works just fine. I thought you may have already had another article with clarity handy. barho pointed me to one before I had the chance to look for one myself. Thanks for asking though.
July 21, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I don't think anyone is debating that at all. At least I sure wasn't. I dunno man, died of vs died due to ?? 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Is there a link to an article that says he died "of" (or rather "due") to COVID or are we limited to this article that only gets as far as to say he died "with" COVID. Horrible story no matter what the details show in the end of the day.
July 21, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I have a few ex-pat friends who I keep in touch with on facebook. They all seem to be super liberal, so I find Doc intriguing. Lol If you hadn't noticed, I like to take the opposite side and conduct a discussion. I'm plenty liberal and happily live in a social welfare state and one of the most liberal countries out there. I do though have some right of middle views mainly around the rights of individuals and also around a desire to keep taxes as low as possible. I'm going to be right of the ex-pat center though, yeah.
July 21, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, downundermike said: I dunno man, died of vs died due to ?? Uhh, that in no way shape or form debates the kind of thing you are alluding to. Or are you suggesting there are zero cases of people who have COVID but die of other causes that aren't COVID related?
July 21, 20215 yr Anyone who got the J&J shot might want to talk to your doctor about getting a single dose of an mRNA vaccine as a booster. This seems to be an emerging recommendation from prominent immunologists now that delta has been surging.
July 21, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Anyone who got the J&J shot might want to talk to your doctor about getting a single dose of an mRNA vaccine as a booster. This seems to be an emerging recommendation from prominent immunologists now that delta has been surging. Most won't do it without CDC guidance. I'm keeping an eye out for that.
July 21, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Way to take a quote, skip parts of it so it is totally out of context. Biden, in response to a last-minute question from Fox News reporter Peter Doocy, said President Donald Trump's repeated misstatements and dismissal of the coronavirus have eroded American confidence in government, which could spell trouble for a vaccine rollout. "Why do we think, God willing, when we get a vaccine — that is good, works — why do we think the public is gonna line up to be willing to take the injection?" Biden asked. "We've lost so much confidence, the American people, in what's said [by the Trump administration]." "This president has said so many things that are untrue, that are just wrong."
July 21, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Except he didn't lie. Paul is just grandstanding for political theater. That people fall for the theatrics is just an indictment of the current state of affairs. Didn’t claim he did, just the last 4yrs it seemed common place. If not Congress, to general inspector, DOJ, FBI ….,etc. I expect more of the same.
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: Most won't do it without CDC guidance. I'm keeping an eye out for that. Fair enough.
July 21, 20215 yr 2 hours ago, Kz! said: Lock him up! Oh look Rand Paul is trying to draw attention to himself in preparation for another failed presidential run
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Fair enough. I mean, the new study pretty much says it's just as effective against Delta at 66% which is fine for a vaccine. I'm just wondering if they're going to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" since it's not in that 90% range.
July 21, 20215 yr Is there any data yet on breakthrough Covid cases? Whenever I see someone on social media say they are a breakthrough Covid case the first thing everyone wants to know is which vaccine they got.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Is there any data yet on breakthrough Covid cases? Whenever I see someone on social media say they are a breakthrough Covid case the first thing everyone wants to know is which vaccine they got. I don't think so but from the articles I've seen here and there it's all over the place. Some Uber driver in Nevada got J&J, Eisen got Pfizer, some actress got Moderna. I'd imagine when the ratios come out that it would be slightly higher for J&J based on the 70% vs 95% numbers. However, the fact that like 170 million people got the mRNA shots and 13 million got the J&J vaccine and the breakthrough cases are like 5k tells me the vaccines are working. One caveat is I think breakthrough cases being recorded are people who end up in the hospital. I don't think all positive cases are being recorded. It really would be impossible to. A bunch of Yankees who got the J&J vaccine tested positive even though none of them had symptoms.
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: I mean, the new study pretty much says it's just as effective against Delta at 66% which is fine for a vaccine. I'm just wondering if they're going to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" since it's not in that 90% range. Not sure if you're referring to the same serology study from two days ago, but it shows j&j had a significant reduction in neutralizing antibodies when tested against the delta variant compared to pfizer/moderna.
July 21, 20215 yr 4 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Everything is open That's the way it should be. Shame it won't last here in the UK.
July 21, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Is there any data yet on breakthrough Covid cases? Whenever I see someone on social media say they are a breakthrough Covid case the first thing everyone wants to know is which vaccine they got. Unfortunately, the CDC made the incredibly myopic decision to only track breakthrough infections if it resulted in hospitalization or death. In other words, they're not recommending a fully vaccinated person get tested when symptomatic, so we couldn't even track this if we wanted too. Not sure wtf the rationale is here, but this means we'll have to rely on other countries like the UK and Israel for data on breakthrough prevalence.
July 21, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Not sure if you're referring to the same serology study from two days ago, but it shows j&j had a significant reduction in neutralizing antibodies when tested against the delta variant compared to pfizer/moderna. I'm referring to the article I read yesterday about it. Quote A recent study from researchers at New York University found that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine may be less effective in battling COVID-19 variants than vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna. The results of the study were published by bioRxiv and have been submitted to a peer-reviewed journal. According to the study, the mRNA-based vaccines Pfizer and Moderna were 94 to 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 whereas the "adenoviral vector-based" Johnson & Johnson had a roughly 67% effective rate. These are the same exact numbers when compared to Moderna/Pfizer months ago.
July 21, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Unfortunately, the CDC made the incredibly myopic decision to only track breakthrough infections if it resulted in hospitalization or death. In other words, they're not recommending a fully vaccinated person get tested when symptomatic, so we couldn't even track this if we wanted too. Not sure wtf the rationale is here, but this means we'll have to rely on other countries like the UK and Israel for data on breakthrough prevalence. Yeah, that seems like a bad decision in hindsight.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, Paul852 said: I'm referring to the article I read yesterday about it. These are the same exact numbers when compared to Moderna/Pfizer months ago. Hard to tell from the context, but that's probably for severe disease, not symptomatic infection. I haven't seen any studies that puts mRNA efficacy in preventing symptomatic infection against delta at 95%. The serology study I'm referring to is in alignment with the UK study that puts efficacy of a single dose of AZ against symptomatic infection at around 33%. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/health/coronavirus-johnson-vaccine-delta.html
July 21, 20215 yr "I'm admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID," Dr. Brytney Cobia wrote in a Facebook post on Sunday. "One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late. "A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same," Cobia added. "They cry. And they tell me they didn't know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn't get as sick. They thought it was 'just the flu'. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can't. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."
July 21, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Hard to tell from the context, but that's probably for severe disease, not symptomatic infection. I haven't seen any studies that puts mRNA efficacy in preventing symptomatic infection against delta at 95%. The serology study I'm referring to is in alignment with the UK study that puts efficacy of a single dose of AZ against symptomatic infection at around 33%. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/health/coronavirus-johnson-vaccine-delta.html I guess we'll have me as a real world test until I can get a second shot.
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