July 21, 20215 yr 15 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I'm referring to the article I read yesterday about it. These are the same exact numbers when compared to Moderna/Pfizer months ago. Ok I think I see the issue, the article you're quoting is mixing up the induction of the same study (which prefaces the data with a restatement of the efficacy numbers from last fall) with the actual findings which do not conclude the efficacy against delta remains the same. Not sure where you found that article, but the author is dumb for mixing the two up and should update it to clarify that. Pretty egregious error if so. 3 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I guess we'll have me as a real world test until I can get a second shot. See above, the author you quoted most likely misread the study.
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ok I think I see the issue, the article you're quoting is mixing you the induction of the same study (which prefaces the data with a restatement of the efficacy numbers from last fall) with the actual findings which do not conclude the efficacy against delta remains the same. Not sure where you found that article, but the author is dumb for mixing the two up and should update it to clarify that. Pretty egregious error if so. See above, the author you quoted most likely misread the study. Well, can't say that's surprising.
July 21, 20215 yr 26 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, that seems like a bad decision in hindsight. More info is all good but the important stuff is deaths and hospitalizations. Otherwise, we are talking about a mild disease.
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: More info is all good but the important stuff is deaths and hospitalizations. Otherwise, we are talking about a mild disease. I’ve been really sick lots of times and not gone to the ER.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: I’ve been really sick lots of times and not gone to the ER. Yeah me too so let's say "mild or otherwise non life threatening and not requiring hospital admittance". I'm thinking the admitted patients and deaths are the key params. Not that the others aren't interesting but far less important information. I've said this a few times now but keep your eye on Israel. They are probably #1 in terms of vaccination rates (or if not they are close) and they have a rampant delta wave that is over a month old now. Info isn't fully concrete or in place yet and there are some worries and mixed signals but so far the info that exists does not point to significant rates of deaths or hospitalizations. Keep your fingers crossed. btw - The UK is up next.
July 21, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: More info is all good but the important stuff is deaths and hospitalizations. Otherwise, we are talking about a mild disease. I get that... I still feel like we miscalculated the opportunity cost. We could've more closely tracked breakthrough infections, but now it's too late to start.... I feel it even goes back to lax contract tracing. We keep missing the boat in places as the pandemic keeps chugging along.
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: Yeah me too so let's say "mild or otherwise non life threatening and not requiring hospital admittance". I'm thinking the admitted patients and deaths are the key params. Not that the others aren't interesting but far less important information. I've said this a few times now but keep your eye on Israel. They are probably #1 in terms of vaccination rates (or if not they are close) and they have a rampant delta wave that is over a month old now. Info isn't fully concrete or in place yet and there are some worries and mixed signals but so far the info that exists does not point to significant rates of deaths or hospitalizations. Keep your fingers crossed. btw - The UK is up next. Part of my question though is which vaccines the people getting sick (even mildly) took. By not tracking it you’re in the dark.
July 21, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: It will not end until forced vaccinations That won't happen, but making the consequences of not being vaccinated significant could push people in the right direction. Don't want to get your kids vaccinated? That's your choice but your kid doesn't get to do in person school then until the pandemic is completely over.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, toolg said: I get that... I still feel like we miscalculated the opportunity cost. We could've more closely tracked breakthrough infections, but now it's too late to start.... I feel it even goes back to lax contract tracing. We keep missing the boat in places as the pandemic keeps chugging along. I guess but if we can get this thing down to just mild cases for 99.99% of patients then we can handle it like other diseases. I'm thinking the overall cases are a nice to have sort of thing and the hospital and deaths numbers are the absolute must haves for this at this point. Of course if it turns out that the numbers for those must haves are still high then yeah the full on contract tracing, etc. would be necessary yet again. I'm probably just being too optimistic that the current vaccines together with boosters are going to do the job even against the variants and maybe with people still getting sick and missing a few days but nothing more.
July 21, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: That won't happen, but making the consequences of not being vaccinated significant could push people in the right direction. Don't want to get your kids vaccinated? That's your choice but your kid doesn't get to do in person school then until the pandemic is completely over. Except right now it’s only approved for kids 12 and over. Seems like a challenge for the middle school folks. I mean, you’re going to have sixth graders turning 12 all year.
July 21, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Part of my question though is which vaccines the people getting sick (even mildly) took. By not tracking it you’re in the dark. To a certain extent yes but it isn't like there isn't some info out there. Pfizer has already recommended a booster for example.
July 21, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: That won't happen, but making the consequences of not being vaccinated significant could push people in the right direction. Don't want to get your kids vaccinated? That's your choice but your kid doesn't get to do in person school then until the pandemic is completely over. Or just keep unvaccinated kids (i.e.medical exemptions only) out of public school, period. Don't like it? Send your disease harboring kid to private school where they can swap pathogens with each other to see who can create the next deadly pandemic causing virus. Maybe they'll finally learn some science along the way.
July 21, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: That won't happen, but making the consequences of not being vaccinated significant could push people in the right direction. Don't want to get your kids vaccinated? That's your choice but your kid doesn't get to do in person school then until the pandemic is completely over. Yee that is what will happen, it is guaranteed at this point
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: To a certain extent yes but it isn't like there isn't some info out there. Pfizer has already recommended a booster for example. Yeah but the talk has been a booster in the fall. We’re in July still. 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Or just keep unvaccinated kids (i.e.medical exemptions only) out of public school, period. Don't like it? Send your disease harboring kid to private school where they can swap pathogens with each other to see who can create the next deadly pandemic causing virus. Maybe they'll finally learn some science along the way. My impression is that private schools are actually requiring kids to get vaccinated. Hmmmm
July 21, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I guess but if we can get this thing down to just mild cases for 99.99% of patients then we can handle it like other diseases. I'm thinking the overall cases are a nice to have sort of thing and the hospital and deaths numbers are the absolute must haves for this at this point. Of course if it turns out that the numbers for those must haves are still high then yeah the full on contract tracing, etc. would be necessary yet again. I'm probably just being too optimistic that the current vaccines together with boosters are going to do the job even against the variants and maybe with people still getting sick and missing a few days but nothing more. That is the goal, zero Covid like Australia tried is not happening
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah but the talk has been a booster in the fall. We’re in July still. My impression is that private schools are actually requiring kids to get vaccinated. Hmmmm As they should be. Public schools are stupid for not requiring them for anyone 12 and older when school starts in the fall.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Yeah but the talk has been a booster in the fall. We’re in July still. Israel has already opened up for boosters for those with high risk. Sweden is going to do the same soon. It has already started. How widespread it gets will in large part be determined by what happens in the early delta hot spots like Israel and the UK.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: As they should be. Public schools are stupid for not requiring them for anyone 12 and older when school starts in the fall. Oh I totally agree. You’re going to make all your students wear masks but not make them get vaccinated? Makes no freaking sense.
July 21, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: That is the goal, zero Covid like Australia tried is not happening Australia continues to shut down regions.
July 21, 20215 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Oh I totally agree. You’re going to make all your students wear masks but not make them get vaccinated? Makes no freaking sense. Pretty sure it's because the vaccines haven't been officially approved yet. Makes it a little more dicey.
July 21, 20215 yr Confusion on boosters will be an issue once the delta targeted one is ready for an application. My guess is the vast majority of Americans won't understand why one booster is much more effective than a previous one.
July 21, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Pretty sure it's because the vaccines haven't been officially approved yet. Makes it a little more dicey. I guess…
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