14 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Ordered tickets for a trip to Colorado in September. Bought flight insurance. I don't have a good feeling about where we will be, COVIDwise.

Yeah. I'm still sitting on unused airfare. I'm afraid to book it.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/half-of-florida-covid-19-hospitalizations-under-55-96-unvaccinated

Half of Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations under 55; 96% unvaccinated

10 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

https://www.fox13news.com/news/half-of-florida-covid-19-hospitalizations-under-55-96-unvaccinated

Half of Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations under 55; 96% unvaccinated

Who cares? Old, fat boomers can all die.

This is America. We care about no one but #1

12 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Who cares? Old, fat boomers can all die.

This is America. We care about no one but #1

Did you have trouble getting onto that high horse after posting this?

42 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Ordered tickets for a trip to Colorado in September. Bought flight insurance. I don't have a good feeling about where we will be, COVIDwise.

So you're traveling across state lines knowing damn well that the vaccinated can contract and spread coronavirus? You're a selfish grandma-killer. Only concern about #1. Gross. 

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8 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

If vaccinated parents need to mask out in public indoor places to protect their kids then they sure as hell need to mask at home to afford the kids the same protection.

 

Not really, read what I just said. I agree that the communication was sloppy, but that position is backed by science. This is about risk mitigation, not elimination.

Mask at home to protect unvaccinated children? Talk about impractical...
Does that make it impractical for vaccinated parents to mask while out in public, to protect unvaccinated children at home? No it does not.

7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Not really, read what I just said. I agree that the communication was sloppy, but that position is backed by science. This is about risk mitigation, not elimination.

Oh, you want risk elimination? Then kill yourself now, because you can't catch COVID if you're dead. No more risk. Otherwise, it's about what we can do to limit risk to ourselves and others.

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

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Virtue signaling (ignorance is their virtue) to impress the dumbest people in the history of mankind.

33 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Not really, read what I just said. I agree that the communication was sloppy, but that position is backed by science. This is about risk mitigation, not elimination.

This one is going to be a matter of degree and detail. What the science says based on up to date data is that vaccinated people are protected very very well from contracting COVID and if they do get it the chances are near zero that they will become ill enough to need hospitalization.  It also says that kids are very very unlikely to get seriously sick though they may indeed get COVID.  The people that actually need the protection are the unvaccinated adults.  That's what the science says.  Of course there are going to be some exceptions with some kids getting seriously ill and of course there are adults with high risk situations.  The science also agrees with that.

Even if you want to lean on the very rare cases where kids or vaccinated adults do indeed get severe complications we can still agree the Director sheeted the bed with his communication which was my point.  It seems we agree on that detail.

23 minutes ago, toolg said:

Mask at home to protect unvaccinated children? Talk about impractical...
Does that make it impractical for vaccinated parents to mask while out in public, to protect unvaccinated children at home? No it does not.

Oh, you want risk elimination? Then kill yourself now, because you can't catch COVID if you're dead. No more risk. Otherwise, it's about what we can do to limit risk to ourselves and others.

Just because a parent is masked in a restaurant doesn't mean they can't contract COVID while doing so.  The parents MUST wear masks at ALL times, kids too.  That won't fully eliminate the risks as you point out but it is the only way to ensure the highest level of protection for kids.

Additionally, when practical, parents should not the leave the house at all unless absolutely necessary and if they must the proper and rationale procedure is for only one to leave and to only stay out long enough to complete the necessary tasks of getting food, etc.

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Just because a parent is masked in an restaurant doesn't mean they can't contract COVID while doing so.  The parents MUST wear masks at ALL times, kids too.  That won't fully eliminate the risks as you point out but it is the only way to ensure the highest level of protection for kids.

When practical, parents should not the leave the house at all and if they must the proper and rationale procedure is for only one to leave and to only stay out long enough to complete the necessary tasks of getting food, etc.

You've contradicted yourself in this post. Troll!  

2 minutes ago, toolg said:

You've contradicted yourself in this post. Troll!  

I'm just taking your logic and extending it.  The point is that there is always a risk with everything.  According to the latest science the risk to vaccinated adults and to kids of contracting COVID with serious consequences is very very low.  That is what the science says.  Of course everyone is free to determine how low is low to them.

It's not practical now Doc.  The kids are going back to school soon.  They are going to do activities too.  Nobody is going to stay home.  I hope this variant peaks early fall and perhaps we can enjoy the holidays.  Unless kids start getting really sick then nothing is going to change.   jmho

3 minutes ago, DiPros said:

It's not practical now Doc.  The kids are going back to school soon.  They are going to do activities too.  Nobody is going to stay home.  I hope this variant peaks early fall and perhaps we can enjoy the holidays.  Unless kids start getting really sick then nothing is going to change.   jmho

Yes, I know.  My apologies for my poor attempt at satire.  My opinion is that the time is now to push forward and hammer home the need to vaccinate.  It is the unvaccinated that are both the problem and the ones at risk.  Note: There are always some exceptions and there should be some help for those people built in as well, e.g. special store hours, etc.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

My opinion is that the time is now to push forward and hammer home the need to vaccinate.  

No chance, man.  This is the United States, not Sweden.

I guess KZ is safe for now.

 

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Walmart’s vaccine mandate may be a sign of things to come

The vaccine mandate movement is growing. Federal workers will have to get vaccinated or get weekly COVID-19 tests. Similar mandates are happening in California and New York.

There’s also a long list of universities, hospitals and, increasingly, private corporations that are making the move, most recently Walmart. But there’s a catch: The company is going to require vaccines for corporate employees but not retail workers.

Most employers have been doing what they can to encourage workers to get vaccinated. Now, virus variants are helping make their case.

"I think delta has really been a game-changer,” said Lauren Rivera, a professor of management at Northwestern University.

The pressure is building as companies move toward return-to-office target dates, Rivera said. Walmart’s target is Labor Day, and its office workers must be vaccinated by early October.

But the company isn’t requiring this for most of its employees — staff at stores and warehouses.

 

"My best guess is that they are afraid of losing workers,” Rivera said.

There’s a labor shortage in retail, and a mandate could feel intrusive to front-line workers, said Gretchen Chapman, who researches vaccination behavior at Carnegie Mellon University. Many of them have been on the job since last March.

"It might be seen as insensitive to institute a requirement where the greatest burden of that requirement falls on the very people who have paid the biggest costs so far in the pandemic,” she said.

"They can sort of signal like, ‘Hey, we really want to keep our workers and our customers safe and do our part nationally, and so we’re starting at the top,'” she said.

As one of the country’s largest private employers, Walmart has influence, not just on its more than 1.5 million associates in the United States, but on the service industry at large.

"I’m certain there are a lot of other retailers paying attention to what they’re doing and vice versa,” said Vince DiGirolamo of market research firm Mintel.

For now he thinks companies will keep taking baby steps. Walmart recently doubled its vaccine incentive for store workers to $150.

Was reading an article at lunch, and then reading the comment section.  Holy cow.  This one was good:

Lol. no it isnt. the numbers are low. hospitals are empty. I just went to the Hospital last week here in Houston and it was empty. i was the only one there with covid

Here's the article.  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-delta-variant-is-ripping-through-the-unvaccinated-and-crowding-hospitals-in-florida-texas/ar-AAMVic8?li=BBorjTa

While I certainly get some media outlets can over do it, if you look to the direct quotes of the people that are running the health care system in their area, why would they lie? Is this guy just making this ish up?  

Quote: 

"We have peaked above any previous wave and it is straining our system, our physicians and all of our clinicians," said Neil Finkler, chief clinical officer of AdventHealth's Central Florida division.

"None of these patients thought they would get the virus. But the delta variant has proven to be so highly contagious that even the young and the healthy, including pregnant patients, are starting to fill up our hospitals."

23 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

No chance, man.  This is the United States, not Sweden.

There isn't much issue here.  There is a very small set of deniers or anti-vaxxer types but they don't appear to amount to much.  Sweden now at 63% with one dose and 42% fully vaccinated as of Aug 3rd vs. the US at 59% and 50%.  US still ahead on the fully vaccinated but it is only a matter of time.  We started months after you did.

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Ordered tickets for a trip to Colorado in September. Bought flight insurance. I don't have a good feeling about where we will be, COVIDwise.

make sure you bring a winter jacket, boots, gloves and a snow shovel

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There isn't much issue here.  There is a very small set of deniers or anti-vaxxer types but they don't appear to amount to much.  Sweden now at 63% with one dose and 42% fully vaccinated as of Aug 3rd vs. the US at 59% and 50%.  US still ahead on the fully vaccinated but it is only a matter of time.  We started months after you did.

Glad it is not so bad there then.  It is horrible here.  Especially the younger ones that we should have taught better.  Hopefully schools will do OK and stay open.  I really can't imagine another year of them having to do virtual learning.  They are already behind.  

Have to wear masks again in the common areas of the Condo Building. Just started today.

11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There isn't much issue here.  There is a very small set of deniers or anti-vaxxer types but they don't appear to amount to much.  Sweden now at 63% with one dose and 42% fully vaccinated as of Aug 3rd vs. the US at 59% and 50%.  US still ahead on the fully vaccinated but it is only a matter of time.  We started months after you did.

Yes, we have a lot of folks here that aren’t that smart.  Which plays out in more ways than deciding whether or not to get vaccinated.

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

Have to wear masks again in the common areas of the Condo Building. Just started today.

Ugh.  I'd love to pull a rambo and just pull my gun out when someone tells me to put on a mask.  But, that does about enough good as the ones who refuse to do their part to lessen the strain on our health care workers.  They've been at this for awhile now.  There's no excuse when most of the hospitalizations can be prevented.  So stupid.  Stupid people.  I know, can't fix stupid.

4 minutes ago, DiPros said:

Glad it is not so bad there then.  It is horrible here.  Especially the younger ones that we should have taught better.  Hopefully schools will do OK and stay open.  I really can't imagine another year of them having to do virtual learning.  They are already behind.  

Right.  When I said not much problem I meant in getting people to vaccinate.  We've had plenty of COVID and lots of people have been sick, etc.  Right now there isn't much of an issue though.  No deaths for a few weeks and case numbers very low.  Everyone is outside during the summer though so there just isn't much transmission here during this time of the year.