August 6, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: Are you under the impression that this proves him wrong? Pfizer didn't take any funding from the US government. The US agreeing to buy the product once it's made is completely different. They took a PO, that guaranteed them ROI when they developed a viable vaccine. Even Politifact admits it. Take pride in the fact that you’ve even more biased than Politifact. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/19/pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-and-operation-war/ The federal government’s deal with Pfizer would pay for the purchase of the company’s vaccine if it gets FDA emergency use authorization or approval. So Pfizer hasn’t gotten any Warp Speed funding yet. With Moderna and other companies, by contrast, the government is helping to fund the vaccines’ development and various efforts to scale up manufacturing. Those differences may influence who can claim the credit for the breakthroughs at this stage. But in either case, it’s clear the federal government is playing a significant role in the multi-pronged effort to develop and test vaccine candidates, manufacture them in large quantities and distribute them nationwide.
August 6, 20214 yr Just now, The_Omega said: They took a PO, that guaranteed them ROI when they developed a viable vaccine. Even Politifact admits it. Take pride in the fact that you’ve even more biased than Politifact. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/19/pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-and-operation-war/ Stop The US didn't contribute to the development, clinical trials or manufacturing of the Pfizer vaccine. What Paco said is 100% correct. Want to make that argument for Moderna? Fine.
August 6, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Stop The US didn't contribute to the development, clinical trials or manufacturing of the Pfizer vaccine. What Paco said is 100% correct. Want to make that argument for Moderna? Fine. You’ve proven your irrational stubbornness. You don’t have to keep proving it.
August 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: You’ve proven your irrational stubbornness. You don’t have to keep proving it. No Zuke, facts are stubborn. I know that's probably lost on you these days since you live in some type of alternate reality.
August 6, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, The_Omega said: They took a PO, that guaranteed them ROI when they developed a viable vaccine. Even Politifact admits it. Take pride in the fact that you’ve even more biased than Politifact. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/19/pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-and-operation-war/ Wow, a purchase order? I guess you'll leave out the part where Pfizer also inked deals with the UK, the EU, Canada, Israel, etc, but sure, without that one order from Trump, they were really in dire straits. Good one, dingus.
August 6, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, Paul852 said: No Zuke, facts are stubborn. I know that's probably lost on you these days since you live in some type of alternate reality. Let the idiots have their fantasy. It's the only way they can try to deflect from the fact that their guy was an abject failure when we needed him most. Hundreds of thousands dead, many needlessly due to his incompetence. In times of crisis, he proved to be an even bigger moron than we all could've fathomed.
August 6, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: wait...1 out of 10 doctors aren't vaccinated? Cultists are everywhere. If my doctor said they weren't vaccinated, I'd walk out the door immediately and go find a new doctor.
August 6, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, paco said: SLC's frat Mine too and we prefer the term fraternity, bro
August 6, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: New Zuker 😊 I hear the Zuker + variant evades Moderation
August 6, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, The_Omega said: https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-an-Agreement-with-U.S.-Government-for-up-to-600-Million-Doses-of-mRNA-based-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-SARS-CoV-2/default.aspx Pfizer didn’t take any money from the federal government for the development of the vaccine. They did this on purpose. As has already been explained to you, they estimated that if they took money for development, which would come with strings and red tape, that it would slow their development down as compared to what they could do if they didn’t take any money. And they were right, as they ended up being the first company to come up with a viable vaccine. Beating out companies that were part of the development part of Operation Warp Speed.
August 6, 20214 yr 52 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Pfizer didn’t take any money from the federal government for the development of the vaccine. They did this on purpose. As has already been explained to you, they estimated that if they took money for development, which would come with strings and red tape, that it would slow their development down as compared to what they could do if they didn’t take any money. And they were right, as they ended up being the first company to come up with a viable vaccine. Beating out companies that were part of the development part of Operation Warp Speed. LIke Tucker, zuker really wants socialism.
August 6, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I've been watching Israel. They've been going up. It's too early to tell if the ratio of cases to hospitalizations and deaths is better than earlier waves, but it seems promising so far. Yep, the data coming from there and also Singapore is still holding positive overall. The only slightly negative update in the data shows a bit less protection for vaccinated people but the protection is still generally strong. The deaths/hospitalization rates are holding very very low and the same for any issues for kids (note: some anecdotal evidence from a few spots in the US have some hospitals reporting a rise in hospitalization cases among kids so need to keep an eye on that to see if there in anything more general there). Still too early to make any final conclusions but looking pretty good at this stage as you say.
August 6, 20214 yr I know a fully vaccinated woman who now has long COVID. Nothing is 100% Even anti-vaxxers, who are 99.999% moron.
August 6, 20214 yr Welcome to Florida, where COVID-19 is rampant, but mask mandates are the enemy | Editorial https://amp.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article253289958.html Quote t’s like the overwrought plot of a B movie. New COVID-19 cases have reached numbers never seen in Florida since the beginning of the pandemic. Hospitalizations have reached a record high. More children in the Sunshine State were hospitalized with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 infections on Tuesday than in any other state in the country. The real threat to public health? Masks. Masks kill. Masks cause socialism. Masks are like tiny communists on your face.
August 6, 20214 yr 11 hours ago, The_Omega said: https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-an-Agreement-with-U.S.-Government-for-up-to-600-Million-Doses-of-mRNA-based-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-SARS-CoV-2/default.aspx That's a purchase order.... has nothing to do with the creation of the vaccine.
August 6, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, paco said: That's a purchase order.... has nothing to do with the creation of the vaccine. It takes a lot of risk out of investing in development, when you’re guaranteed roi upon successful completion.
August 6, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Welcome to Florida, where COVID-19 is rampant, but mask mandates are the enemy | Editorial https://amp.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article253289958.html Masks. Masks kill. Masks cause socialism. Masks are like tiny communists on your face. i guess you haven't heard about the real issue....the border!!!
August 6, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It takes a lot of risk out of investing in development, when you’re guaranteed roi upon successful completion. Again, they were going to develop this vaccine regardless of the PO from the US. That's kind of what they do. I'm not even sure what you're getting at. The idea that the US is responsible for driving the development of Pfizer's COVID vaccine when there was already a clear need in the market is asinine.
August 6, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It takes a lot of risk out of investing in development, when you’re guaranteed roi upon successful completion. Especially if you make a good product. Companies that made effective vaccines got paid. Those that did not, not selling as many.
August 6, 20214 yr i'm pretty sure they knew there was a decent market out there for a covid-19 vaccine
August 6, 20214 yr Just now, mr_hunt said: i'm pretty sure they knew there was a decent market out there for a covid-19 vaccine That worked. Without looking up numbers, my guess is that Johnson and Johnson and Astra Zeneca are not making nearly as much as Moderna and Pfizer.
August 6, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It takes a lot of risk out of investing in development, when you’re guaranteed roi upon successful completion. Reminder that the context of the discussion you jumped into was Mike's claim that "Trump was the entire reason the vaccines were approved so fast". Then when pressed, he brought up OWS. A purchase order, at a time when Pfizer received multiple other orders, does nothing to prove the claim to be true. Stop it. If you want to give Trump credit for something vaccine related, you can give credit to the initial rollout that still wasn't particularly well executed, but also wasn't a complete and utter failure like everything else when it came to our response to this pandemic. When you sucked so much at everything else up until that point, you set the bar pretty low for yourself.
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