August 5, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: I dont think either party has an edge when it comes to stupid people For the billionth time, Im not a Republican. I supported Trump and everyone knows that. But Im not some big GOP cheerleader either, O just happen to agree with more of their general policies than the Democrats I actually voted mostly Republican in state and local elections. I stated that before and a few clowns here find that impossible to believe because I **** about the state of the party over the last 5 or so years and I think Trump is an absolute assclown. But that's irrelevant. And all demographics have holes in them as far as getting the vaccine. I was asking a question about the almost third of the party that thinks Trump is going to be put back in office this year. Let's call them the Qanon faction. How do you think that 30 percent feels about the covid vaccine? It is a very sizable amount of people.
August 5, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: yeah...i saw a meme joking that they should call it "trump juice" and then all his supporters would get it. exaggeration for sure but some might listen if he really came out & starting pushing vaccines. Free MAGA hats to anyone who gets jabbed. What could go wrong?
August 5, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, OCEaglefan said: WAIT WAIT WAIT Zuker still posts here? He renamed himself Omega. Same ol Zucker though.
August 5, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: Which is why I floated the idea that the administration should get over their Trump derangement, swallow their tongues when he crows about it, and ask him to join in their effort, but they won't, which says a lot about how committed they really are. Hell, he's got a rally coming up in Alabama doesn't he? A Trump endorsed vaccination site at the rally would seem a great idea. Either that, or just invite Trump supporters to go hunting, and hit them with the vaccine in a blowdart when they fall asleep in the tree stand. Does Trump really have no culpability here in your mind? It's ok for him to just sit around and apparently wait for an invitation to a PSA? When Trump received the vaccination he decided against having it filmed and broadcast. It was discussed, and he declined. Why? They filmed a PSA with various former presidents on the day of Biden's inauguration. Guess who didn't show up to that.... If he cared he could get up off his fat behind and do something. He could put his ego and anger aside (HAH!) and do more than put out an occasional statement that people should get vaccinated sandwiched between badmouthing everybody he thinks didn't suck up to him enough. This kind of thing SHOULD be bigger than politics. We should not, as a society, have an issue getting former presidents of both parties, senate and house leadership from both parties, even pundits in the news from being part of the messaging of how important getting vaccinated is for public health and the fight against this pandemic. Other Republicans, even the turtle from Kentucky, have been putting out a lot of messaging. While our former president sits in Mar a Lago and sulks. It's pathetic. And defending him and deflecting back to the Democrats somehow being responsible for Trump's disinterest in messaging on this is pathetic. 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it. This is part of the issue. He doesn't want to share a stage with other presidents. It's not about him, it's about us, and that's not good enough.
August 5, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Does Trump really have no culpability here in your mind? It's ok for him to just sit around and apparently wait for an invitation to a PSA? When Trump received the vaccination he decided against having it filmed and broadcast. It was discussed, and he declined. Why? They filmed a PSA with various former presidents on the day of Biden's inauguration. Guess who didn't show up to that.... If he cared he could get up off his fat behind and do something. He could put his ego and anger aside (HAH!) and do more than put out an occasional statement that people should get vaccinated sandwiched between badmouthing everybody he thinks didn't suck up to him enough. This kind of thing SHOULD be bigger than politics. We should not, as a society, have an issue getting former presidents of both parties, senate and house leadership from both parties, even pundits in the news from being part of the messaging of how important getting vaccinated is for public health and the fight against this pandemic. Other Republicans, even the turtle from Kentucky, have been putting out a lot of messaging. While our former president sits in Mar a Lago and sulks. It's pathetic. And defending him and deflecting back to the Democrats somehow being responsible for Trump's disinterest in messaging on this is pathetic. This is part of the issue. He doesn't want to share a stage with other presidents. It's not about him, it's about us, and that's not good enough. Let's not pretend that there hasn't been an all out effort by the Biden Administration, Democrats, and media to deny him any credit for getting the vaccine rushed through, and into tens of millions of arms early on. It was OK for Democrats to make it all about them, then. I'm not defending Trump's narcissism, I'm recognizing it, and I'm pragmatic enough to believe that it can be put to some good use.
August 5, 20215 yr 26 minutes ago, OCEaglefan said: WAIT WAIT WAIT Zuker still posts here? Not zuker, a variant of zuker.
August 5, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Let's not pretend that there hasn't been an all out effort by the Biden Administration, Democrats, and media to deny him any credit for getting the vaccine rushed through, and into tens of millions of arms early on. It was OK for Democrats to make it all about them, then. I'm not defending Trump's narcissism, I'm recognizing it, and I'm pragmatic enough to believe that it can be put to some good use.
August 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Not zuker, a variant of zuker. This variant is just like Zuker, just a bit of a puss puss.
August 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: I'm sorry that's 60%? With a zero on the end and no decimal point in between? It's actually 40%. He misspoke. Quote Of these 7,790 hospitalizations, 4,853 or 62.3%, of people were unvaccinated, aligning with the 60% Vallance mentioned. PolitiFact | A UK health official misspoke when he said 60% of hospitalized patients had been fully vaccinated
August 5, 20215 yr Here we go again: Mar 12, 2021 White House press secretary Jen Psaki has repeatedly refused to give credit to former President Donald Trump for the coronavirus-vaccine development and rollout under his administration. Psaki on Friday pushed back when a reporter asked whether Trump deserved any acknowledgement for his vaccine efforts. She said the progress on vaccines was a "Herculean incredible effort by science and by medical experts." "And certainly, we've applauded that in the past, and we're happy to applaud that again," she added. Psaki again said that when President Joe Biden took office, there were not enough vaccines, vaccinators, or distribution locations for Americans to get the shot.
August 5, 20215 yr Why are the Trumpers so caught up in giving him credit for the vaccines? He signed a few orders that any president would have signed. That's it. He didn't put on a lab coat like a sizable amount of his base thinks. It would be like going out of your way to thank the cook at your diner for the scrambled eggs you just ate. Anyone could and would have done the same and probably more than what he did.
August 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Why are the Trumpers so caught up in giving him credit for the vaccines? He signed a few orders that any president would have signed. That's it. He didn't put on a lab coat like a sizable amount of his base thinks. It would be like going out of your way to thank the cook at your diner for the scrambled eggs you just ate. Anyone could and would have done the same and probably more than what he did. Because Democrats refuse to give him any, and fought him every step of the way in getting the vaccines pushed through
August 5, 20215 yr Privately, some Biden aides are surprised that Trump hasn’t been more active in trying to sell the vaccines developed on his watch to help rehabilitate his legacy. It is an oversight they are not going out of their way to correct.
August 5, 20215 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Because Democrats refuse to give him any, and fought him every step of the way in getting the vaccines pushed through He deserves zero credit. He signed a handful of papers speeding up the process that literally anyone in his position would have signed. That's it. This whole idea is idiotic.
August 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: He deserves zero credit. He signed a handful of papers speeding up the process that literally anyone in his position would have signed. That's it. This whole idea is idiotic. Oh ok. Does he deserve any blame?
August 5, 20215 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Oh ok. Does he deserve any blame? Blame for creating vaccines? I'm not sure what you are asking. If you mean the total response, I'd say I disagreed with a lot of his decisions, but I'm not sure it would have made much a difference. People are idiots and have proven it royally during this pandemic. But as far as the vaccine, he did absolute nothing that warrants "credit". The really smart people in lab coats deserve all the credit, there is none left for politicians as far as developing a vaccine.
August 5, 20215 yr Trump said from the beginning that COVID-19 was a media creation. If that’s true, why would you need a life-saving vaccine?
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