August 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: Which is why I floated the idea that the administration should get over their Trump derangement, swallow their tongues when he crows about it, and ask him to join in their effort, but they won't, which says a lot about how committed they really are. Hell, he's got a rally coming up in Alabama doesn't he? A Trump endorsed vaccination site at the rally would seem a great idea. Either that, or just invite Trump supporters to go hunting, and hit them with the vaccine in a blowdart when they fall asleep in the tree stand. They should ask him, but if we're being honest, he'd likely refuse. His only interest is for things to go terribly on Biden's watch. Let's not act like either side would put politics aside for the good of the country. I liked the idea someone floated on Real Time last week. Offer Trump $100 for every person who gets vaccinated and tells the nurse they did it for Trump. He isn't motivated by anything other than money and self-interest. Use that to our advantage.
August 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: What??? So you dont believe Trump is responsible for fast tracking the vaccines? Cant acknowledge reality because of your TDS. Sad! No. He's not the entire reason we approved them when we did. That's something a child says when trying to build up their own self esteem. Adults don't devolve into hero-worship fantasy if they have a firm grasp of the facts and can still operate in reality.
August 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: No. He's not the entire reason we approved them when we did. That's something a child says when trying to build up their own self esteem. Adults don't devolve into hero-worship fantasy if they have a firm grasp of the facts and can still operate in reality. He is quite literally the person responsible for Warp Speed. Fact.
August 5, 20215 yr it's not as if trump came out & told his supporters to not get the vaccine...i'm pretty sure he didn't do that. what he did do was downplay the severity of the pandemic...he admitted as much. he also made fun of mask wearing. i don't remember him speaking out against the vaccine though. it's more a matter of the same folks with a built in distrust of government who fell for his obvious lies and bullsheet...they're the ones now falling for obvious lies and bullsheet about the vaccines. add in a healthy dose of fox news (and worse) and you have a group of maroons who believe the lies they see their equally moronic friends share on facebook and all the nonsense they see on fox news. they have trump in common but i don't link trump directly to the vaccine hesitancy.
August 5, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, vikas83 said: They should ask him, but if we're being honest, he'd likely refuse. His only interest is for things to go terribly on Biden's watch. Let's not act like either side would put politics aside for the good of the country. I liked the idea someone floated on Real Time last week. Offer Trump $100 for every person who gets vaccinated and tells the nurse they did it for Trump. He isn't motivated by anything other than money and self-interest. Use that to our advantage. There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it.
August 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: He is quite literally the person responsible for Warp Speed. Fact. He's not the entire reason the vaccines were developed and approved as fast as they were. You are a child living in a fantasy world. This behavior is not healthy.
August 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it. yeah...i saw a meme joking that they should call it "trump juice" and then all his supporters would get it. exaggeration for sure but some might listen if he really came out & starting pushing vaccines.
August 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it. No he wouldn’t.
August 5, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: He is quite literally the person responsible for Warp Speed. Fact.
August 5, 20215 yr they're waaaaay too late to the party but you finally have turtlehead mcconnell promoting the vaccines....and lady g as well. of course he had to get covid before he started promoting the vaccine.
August 5, 20215 yr 7 minutes ago, The_Omega said: There is nothing Trump likes more than it being about him. If they asked him, he would make a big deal about them asking him, about them needing him, but he would absolutely do it. Agree to disagree. But, if they haven't asked, they clearly should.
August 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Agree to disagree. But, if they haven't asked, they clearly should. And if they have, and he’s refused, they should hit him with it.
August 5, 20215 yr 26 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Every time I log into the EMB I get 30 notifications..."WGB has responded to your post" Just saying I know the feeling. You'd be surprised what going through life at around 5'5 does to a person's psyche. That dude is messed up.
August 5, 20215 yr Zuke, what makes you think the guy who tried a coup to stop Biden from becoming President would want to help the Biden administration? I’m not seeing it. Of course, Trump is supposed to be reinstated in eight days, so maybe he’s waiting until next week to launch his own initiative.
August 5, 20215 yr @Green Dog Quote Moderna says COVID-19 vaccine booster will likely be needed before winter https://www.wkrn.com/news/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-booster-will-likely-be-needed-before-winter/ The drug companies saw Netflix's subscription based business model and just couldn't resist.
August 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: @Green Dog https://www.wkrn.com/news/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-booster-will-likely-be-needed-before-winter/ The drug companies saw Netflix's subscription based business model and just couldn't resist. Yeah, and Pfizer says they don't want to give the booster before September 30th because they want to give other countries more time to give their citizens the vaccine. I'm guessing if there's more breakthrough cases the momentum will start building to make it earlier though.
August 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, and Pfizer says they don't want to give the booster before September 30th because they want to give other countries more time to give their citizens the vaccine. I'm guessing if there's more breakthrough cases the momentum will start building to make it earlier though. It will be interesting what they tell people with the J&J to do. Sounds like San Fran is already letting people get one of the mRNAs so that's nice.
August 5, 20215 yr I don't know, but the Lambda Chi Alpha Omega variant is gonna kick your ass. Or so I heard.
August 5, 20215 yr Whether you "need" a booster is a much different proposition compared to whether you needed to be initially vaccinated. If you're primarily interested in simply protecting yourself against severe disease that could land you in the hospital, a booster is probably going to be of limited benefit. Maybe you're bumping an efficacy of 96% to 99% or somewhere thereabouts. But if your goal is to protect against moderate or even mild symptomatic disease, or further, limiting the likelihood of transmission all together because you live with at risk or unvaccinated individuals, then the boosters could provide a more significant benefit. Memory B-cells and T-cells can help provide a more durable response against the former, but without mucosal immunity, you need high levels of neutralizing antibodies in circulation to do the heavy lifting of the latter.
August 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Whether you "need" a booster is a much different proposition compared to whether you needed to be initially vaccinated. If you're primarily interested in protecting yourself against severe disease that could land you in the hospital, a booster is going to be of limited benefit. Maybe you're bumping an efficacy of 96% to 99% or somewhere thereabouts. But if your goal is to protect against moderate or even mild symptomatic disease, or further, limiting the likelihood of transmission all together because you live with at risk or unvaccinated individuals, then the boosters can provide a more significant benefit. Memory B-cells and T-cells can help provide a more durable response against the former, but without mucosal immunity, you need high levels of neutralizing antibodies in circulation to do the heavy lifting of the latter. So in your opinion a booster this soon likely isn't necessary
August 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, Paul852 said: So in your opinion a booster this soon likely isn't necessary Depends on the age group, exposure risk, and time since vaccination. For anyone older than 60 and more then 6 months since their last jab, then I'd be looking closely at state or local case and positivity rates to determine levels of community spread. If I had an elderly relative living in a state like Florida, I'd be telling them to get that booster as soon as it's approved. And personally speaking, I'm trying to avoid even mild disease, so I'll be getting one even for myself when it's approved.
August 5, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Depends on the age group, exposure risk, and time since vaccination. For anyone older than 60 and more then 6 months since their last jab, then I'd be looking closely at state or local case and positivity rates to determine levels of community spread. If I had an elderly relative living in a state like Florida, I'd be telling them to get that booster as soon as it's approved. And personally speaking, I'm trying to avoid even mild disease, so I'll be getting one even for myself when it's approved. Don't know if a booster will matter if the new E and F variants are resistant to the vaccine.
August 5, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Don't know if a booster will matter if the new E and F variants are resistant to the vaccine. From what I've seen, lamba is not much different in vaccine resistance compared to delta. But even if new variants are, transmissibility is still key. Alpha wasn't as good at evading vaccine induced immunity as gamma was, but it out competed gamma in many regions because it was more contagious. Delta is a double whammy of being super contagious and also more resistant. That's why we have to throw out a lot of the guidance based on older data. Things were looking really good until delta came along and F'ed it all up. I was convinced the pandemic was gonna be over by year's end. I'm no longer that confident now that the threshold for herd immunity potentially got bumped from ~65-70% to ~85-90%.
August 5, 20215 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: From what I've seen, lamba is not much different in vaccine resistance compared to delta. But even if new variants are, transmissibility is still key. Alpha wasn't as good at evading vaccine induced immunity as gamma was, but it out competed gamma in many regions because it was more contagious. Delta is a double whammy of being super contagious and also more resistant. That's why we have to throw out a lot of the guidance based on older data. Things were looking really good until delta came along and F'ed it all up. I was convinced the pandemic was gonna be over by year's end. I'm no longer that confident now that the threshold for herd immunity potentially got bumped from ~65-70% to ~85-90%. Lamba has been around for over a year, media needs to keep up the fear, with previous infection and vaccines picking up this will be over by November..........new batch of edibles just delivered
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