August 23, 20214 yr Even Trumps nitwit backers are turning on him. You hate to see it. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-booed-alabama-rally-telling-161600080.html
August 23, 20214 yr 54 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I mean, you can keep repeating something as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-booster-covid-86-effective-preventing-infection-elderly-data-shows-delta-1.10130185 Yes, once a breakthrough happens, the vaccinated individual has viral loads at levels similar to those of unvaccinated people. That doesn't mean that breakthroughs happen at similar rates as infections in unvaccinated populations, so aside from the fact that breakthroughs are still relatively uncommon, there are two caveats to this: 1) The time window for when the viral load remains at a similar level is much shorter for vaccinated individuals. Meaning their immune system kicks in after a couple days and clears away the virus faster resulting in a short period of contagiousness, which means much lower likelihood of contributing to community spread. Vaccinated people have these elevated levels of viral load for a week or more. 2) Any neutralizing antibodies in circulation would bind to the virus and eliminate their ability to remain infectious. In other words, same level of viral load does not mean the same level of viable virus. But only for the 1st week it seems. Amazingly, as we do more research, we learn more. Funny how that works: Quote However, vaccinated people with Delta might remain infectious for a shorter period, according to researchers in Singapore who tracked viral loads for each day of COVID-19 infection among people who had and hadn’t been vaccinated. Delta viral loads were similar for both groups for the first week of infection, but dropped quickly after day 7 in vaccinated people4. "Given the high virus levels seen in the first week of illness with Delta, measures such as masks and hand hygiene which can reduce transmission are important for everyone, regardless of vaccination status,” says co-author Barnaby Young, an infectious-disease clinician at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases in Singapore. One massive analysis of Delta transmission comes from the UK REACT-1 programme, led by a team at Imperial College London, which tests more than 100,000 UK volunteers every few weeks. The team ran Ct analyses for samples received in May, June and July, when Delta was rapidly replacing other variants to become the dominant driver of COVID-19 in the country. The results suggested that among people testing positive, those who had been vaccinated had a lower viral load on average than did unvaccinated people. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial, says that these results differ from other Ct studies because this study sampled the population at random and included people who tested positive without showing symptoms. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1
August 23, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Yet they won't let us do it as of now Yeah I don't get it. Maybe this morning's BLA will help change that though. You could check with your doc in a week or so and get his thoughts.
August 23, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah I don't get it. Maybe this morning's BLA will help change that though. You could check with your doc in a week or so and get his thoughts. I asked him a few weeks ago and he didn't recommend it. I'll definitely follow up on that one though.
August 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mayanh8 said: So does this mean we can end the "unapproved vaccine" nonsense? Nope.
August 23, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, vikas83 said: But only for the 1st week it seems. Amazingly, as we do more research, we learn more. Funny how that works: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1 Yeah this is like deja vu from last november. I understand the hesitancy in some cases, and the thought that maybe it's overkill. We all use discretion when choosing which health advice to follow like what to eat and how much to exercise. I get it, we all wanna live stress-free lives at the of the day, and trying to be perfect and follow every guideline to the T can be challenging. But to act like the guideline is flat out wrong or has nefarious intent is where I take issue. Like I can understand if you were to say eating grilled chicken and broccoli and working out 4 days a week is a tough guideline to follow because of whatever you've got going on at work or at home, etc. But this isn't that. This is someone acting like eating chicken and broccoli isn't even healthy for you, and that the push to exercise is just a ploy by Big Fitness Gyms to line their pockets.
August 23, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah this is like deja vu from last november. I understand the hesitancy in some cases, and the thought that maybe it's overkill. We all use discretion when choosing which health advice to follow like what to eat and how much to exercise. I get it, we all wanna live stress-free lives at the of the day, and trying to be perfect and follow every guideline to the T can be challenging. But to act like the guideline is flat out wrong or has nefarious intent is where I take issue. Like I can understand if you were to say eating grilled chicken and broccoli and working out 4 days a week is a tough guideline to follow because of whatever you've got going on at work or at home, etc. But this isn't that. This is someone acting like eating chicken and broccoli isn't even healthy for you, and that the push to exercise is just a ploy by Big Fitness Gyms to line their pockets. People just need to ask themselves these questions: 1. Are you a doctor and a specialist in viral epidemiology? 2. If no, do you have a doctor? 3. What does your doctor recommend? BECAUSE DO THAT.
August 23, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: People just need to ask themselves these questions: 1. Are you a doctor and a specialist in viral epidemiology? 2. If no, do you have a doctor? 3. What does your doctor recommend? BECAUSE DO THAT.
August 23, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: People just need to ask themselves these questions: 1. Are you a doctor and a specialist in viral epidemiology? 2. If no, do you have a doctor? 3. What does your doctor recommend? BECAUSE DO THAT. I have run into enough of doctors that have amazing memories, but when you ask them questions outside the textbook they are absolutely lost. Their solution is to refer you to another doctor. I see no problem with me or others wanting to see data and effectiveness the boosters have with the Delta Variant and why I didn't get my shot until May until a few months of initial data came out.
August 23, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I have run into enough of doctors that have amazing memories, but when you ask them questions outside the textbook they are absolutely lost. Their solution is to refer you to another doctor. I see no problem with me or others wanting to see data and effectiveness the boosters have with the Delta Variant and why I didn't get my shot until May until a few months of initial data came out. For COVID I'd be very concerned if my PCP didn't have a good handle on the latest.
August 23, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I have run into enough of doctors that have amazing memories, but when you ask them questions outside the textbook they are absolutely lost. Their solution is to refer you to another doctor. I see no problem with me or others wanting to see data and effectiveness the boosters have with the Delta Variant and why I didn't get my shot until May until a few months of initial data came out. This is fair. But you seemed to be veering into the direction of "the data we have is wrong or fabricated by Big Pharma" which is quite a bit different than simply wanting to wait for additional data to confirm what we already know so far.
August 23, 20214 yr Some studies show similar viral loads in fully vaccinated people and others show lower levels. Others show the loads being similar but only for a few days which seems like the most plausible explanation.
August 23, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Some studies show similar viral loads in fully vaccinated people and others show lower levels. Others show the loads being similar but only for a few days which seems like the most plausible explanation. The other qualifier seems to be that many of the studies that show a similar viral load have focused almost exclusively on symptomatic patients. The UK study in the article I referenced included asymptomatic breakthrough infections.
August 23, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: The other qualifier seems to be that many of the studies that show a similar viral load have focused almost exclusively on symptomatic patients. The UK study in the article I referenced included asymptomatic breakthrough infections. Yep, I saw that one. Thanks for sharing.
August 23, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: This is fair. But you seemed to be veering into the direction of "the data we have is wrong or fabricated by Big Pharma" which is quite a bit different than simply wanting to wait for additional data to confirm what we already know so far. Never stated that or went that way. I want data, that is all. I still think Big Pharma is horrible for this country especially on the mental health side but that is a different subject.
August 23, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Never stated that or went that way. I want data, that is all. I still think Big Pharma is horrible for this country especially on the mental health side but that is a different subject. You kinda did though... 3 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: I am vaccinated so try again. The question still remains why are they pushing a booster when we see the evidence the shot isn't that effective vs the Delta Variant. 14 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: If it only lasts for 8 months this is a never ending cycle and only big pharma wins. 14 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: The booster shots were never tested for the Delta Variant and we now know their protection works for 8 months or so. Do they really expect us to just vaccinate our way out of this. Push back is going to start getting stronger and stronger If you ask me, these aren't the words of someone who is waiting for more data. These are the words of someone whose mind is already made up. Someone merely waiting for more data wouldn't make objectively false statements like "the boosters were never tested for the delta variant" or make presumptive rhetorical remarks like "do they really expect us to just vaccinate our way out of this."
August 23, 20214 yr I have to be extremely careful about the medications I take because my BP is so sensitive to them. First I've ever heard of this. My cardiologist highly recommended getting vaccinated. This sounds like total BS. Shocking coming from KZ's twitter feed, I know.
August 23, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Gannan said: I have to be extremely careful about the medications I take because my BP is so sensitive to them. First I've ever heard of this. My cardiologist highly recommended getting vaccinated. This sounds like total BS. Shocking coming from KZ's twitter feed, I know. It's no different than the myocarditis risk for Pfizer's vaccine. For whatever reason, the myocarditis cases were initially lower for Moderna, but now they're seeing the risk is roughly on par with Pfizer's or a bit higher. As always, the risk for myocarditis remains orders of magnitude higher for those who get covid.
August 23, 20214 yr But yeah, for those with issues, or probably good advice for anyone in general, is to avoid strenuous exercise for a week or so after getting the shot. Probably best to just take it easy during that time to err on the side of caution.
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