50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The thing that pisses me off.  Is that it will take restrictions and/or rewards to convince some people to get theirs.  I am glad to see some cities requiring people to show their cards.  It could damage some businesses, but I hope it would be a very short term thing.  People need to get the F-ing point. 

The demographic of people who refuse to get vaccinated is a lot more diverse that some politically obsessed morons try to argue.  

It's diverse, but it isn't THAT diverse. All you need to do is look at the states with the lowest vaccination rates.

51 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I am vaccinated so try again. 

The question still remains why are they pushing a booster when we see the evidence the shot isn't that effective vs the Delta Variant. 

lolwut? We're already seeing improvements in case rates in Israel post-booster roll-out. Why do you think they approved it? For funsies?

For freedumbers... this is the unavoidable outcome for literally every single thing they believe in. They're destined to live a life of being betrayed by everyone, including the people who thought were on "their side". I will never get tired of seeing it. 

I am pro vaccination but the booster doesn't make sense when it doesn't lessen the viral load against the Delta Variant. 

 

"Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate | The BMJ" https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

The latest results from the UK’s national covid-19 infection survey show that having two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against delta. But, although people who are fully vaccinated have a lower risk of becoming infected, those infected with the delta variant can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people, the data show. 

34 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

 

Florida is winning!!!

I'm old enough to remember when people were applauding Florida for lifting restrictions in the spring and handling this so well.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm old enough to remember when people we're applauding Florida for lifting restrictions in the spring and handling this so well.

Yep, I remember when other states were trying to get this under control and a certain someone wanted those states "liberated" like Florida.

 

So does this mean we can end the "unapproved vaccine" nonsense?

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

 

So does this mean we can end the "unapproved vaccine" nonsense?

Nah, the FDA is in big pharma's pocket obviously.

6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

 

So does this mean we can end the "unapproved vaccine" nonsense?

nice.

and, hit.

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Nah, the FDA is in big pharma's pocket obviously.

"why did it take so long? what are they covering up?"

6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

 

So does this mean we can end the "unapproved vaccine" nonsense?

No more than we can end the "stop the steal" nonsense

13 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I am pro vaccination but the booster doesn't make sense when it doesn't increase the odds of protection against the Delta Variant. 

 

I mean, you can keep repeating something as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-booster-covid-86-effective-preventing-infection-elderly-data-shows-delta-1.10130185

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"Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate | The BMJ" https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

The latest results from the UK’s national covid-19 infection survey show that having two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against delta. But, although people who are fully vaccinated have a lower risk of becoming infected, those infected with the delta variant can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people, the data show. 

Yes, once a breakthrough happens, the vaccinated individual has viral loads at levels similar to those of unvaccinated people. That doesn't mean that breakthroughs happen at similar rates as infections in unvaccinated populations, so aside from the fact that breakthroughs are still relatively uncommon, there are two caveats to this:

1) The time window for when the viral load remains at a similar level is much shorter for vaccinated individuals. Meaning their immune system kicks in after a couple days and clears away the virus faster resulting in a short period of contagiousness, which means much lower likelihood of contributing to community spread. Vaccinated people have these elevated levels of viral load for a week or more.

2) Any neutralizing antibodies in circulation would bind to the virus and eliminate their ability to remain infectious. In other words, same level of viral load does not mean the same level of viable virus.

FDA approves Pfizer Vaccine. Now lets see if it has any impact on the hesitant. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-becomes-133825011.html

So many people in this Texas town got Covid-19 that the school district shut down and then the city essentially closed

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/us/texas-town-covid-outbreak/index.html

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The school shut down, so did the city building

Last week, the school district shut down after only five days of classes because about a quarter of the staff and 16% of the students got infected or were exposed to Covid-19, according to Iraan-Sheffield Independent School District Superintendent Tracy Canter.

 

"In the last week, we've seen more Covid cases for staff and students than we did the entire year, last year, during school," Canter said.

What will it take? Do all the unvaxxed really need to get COVID?

It’s not experimental anymore. Take your damn shot 

 

17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I mean, you can keep repeating something as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-booster-covid-86-effective-preventing-infection-elderly-data-shows-delta-1.10130185

Yes, once a breakthrough happens, the vaccinated individual has viral loads at levels similar to those of unvaccinated people. That doesn't mean that breakthroughs happen at similar rates as infections in unvaccinated populations, so aside from the fact that breakthroughs are still relatively uncommon, there are two caveats to this:

1) The time window for when the viral load remains at a similar level is much shorter for vaccinated individuals. Meaning their immune system kicks in after a couple days and clears away the virus faster resulting in a short period of contagiousness, which means much lower likelihood of contributing to community spread. Vaccinated people have these elevated levels of viral load for a week or more.

2) Any neutralizing antibodies in circulation would bind to the virus and eliminate their ability to remain infectious. In other words, same level of viral load does not mean the same level of viable virus.

So you are relying on a survey as your data. I mean come on and I am not doubting it will protect in the short term, but how long. Let's wait for some data from a respected publication such as the Journal of Science or Nature and not a survey. 

This is what happens when you don't get the vaccine in Texas.

So many people in this Texas town got Covid-19 that the school district shut down and then the city essentially closed.

Last week, the school district shut down after only five days of classes because about a quarter of the staff and 16% of the students got infected or were exposed to Covid-19, according to Iraan-Sheffield Independent School District Superintendent Tracy Canter.

 

"In the last week, we've seen more Covid cases for staff and students than we did the entire year, last year, during school," Canter said.

119 people were tested for the virus and 50 tested positive, according to Iraan General Hospital CEO Jason Rybolt. That's a 42% positivity rate.

18 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

So you are relying on a survey as your data. I mean come on and I am not doubting it will protect in the short term, but how long. Let's wait for some data from a respected publication such as the Journal of Science or Nature and not a survey. 

Uh, it's called an observational study, this being the most recently released which is why I posted it. Many of these studies precisely rely on follow-ups. How exactly do you think real-world studies are done? Not everything is going be able to be carried out in a controlled trial if you're trying to observe the actual effects play out in the public. Even controlled trials rely on follow-ups with the individuals in the treatment group. Then there's also trial data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech which will be released to the public soon. But the fact remains that boosters absolutely help to reduce breakthrough risk. Acting like they don't is being misinformed at best, and intentionally disingenuous at worst.

 

 

 

And on your previous point of viral loads:

 

I hope I can get a mRNA shot next so I can be part of that "mixed cocktail" group. Gotta collect them all.

5 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I hope I can get a mRNA shot next so I can be part of that "mixed cocktail" group. Gotta collect them all.

Oddly enough, all signs point to the viral vector + mRNA booster combo providing better protection than the mRNA x2 + mRNA booster combo. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Oddly enough, all signs point to the viral vector + mRNA booster combo providing better protection than the mRNA x2 + mRNA booster combo. 

Yet they won't let us do it as of now 

Even Trumps nitwit backers are turning on him.  You hate to see it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-booed-alabama-rally-telling-161600080.html

54 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I mean, you can keep repeating something as much as you want, but that doesn't make it true.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-booster-covid-86-effective-preventing-infection-elderly-data-shows-delta-1.10130185

Yes, once a breakthrough happens, the vaccinated individual has viral loads at levels similar to those of unvaccinated people. That doesn't mean that breakthroughs happen at similar rates as infections in unvaccinated populations, so aside from the fact that breakthroughs are still relatively uncommon, there are two caveats to this:

1) The time window for when the viral load remains at a similar level is much shorter for vaccinated individuals. Meaning their immune system kicks in after a couple days and clears away the virus faster resulting in a short period of contagiousness, which means much lower likelihood of contributing to community spread. Vaccinated people have these elevated levels of viral load for a week or more.

2) Any neutralizing antibodies in circulation would bind to the virus and eliminate their ability to remain infectious. In other words, same level of viral load does not mean the same level of viable virus.

But only for the 1st week it seems. Amazingly, as we do more research, we learn more. Funny how that works:

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However, vaccinated people with Delta might remain infectious for a shorter period, according to researchers in Singapore who tracked viral loads for each day of COVID-19 infection among people who had and hadn’t been vaccinated. Delta viral loads were similar for both groups for the first week of infection, but dropped quickly after day 7 in vaccinated people⁴. "Given the high virus levels seen in the first week of illness with Delta, measures such as masks and hand hygiene which can reduce transmission are important for everyone, regardless of vaccination status,” says co-author Barnaby Young, an infectious-disease clinician at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases in Singapore.

One massive analysis of Delta transmission comes from the UK REACT-1 programme, led by a team at Imperial College London, which tests more than 100,000 UK volunteers every few weeks. The team ran Ct analyses for samples received in May, June and July, when Delta was rapidly replacing other variants to become the dominant driver of COVID-19 in the country. The results suggested that among people testing positive, those who had been vaccinated had a lower viral load on average than did unvaccinated people. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial, says that these results differ from other Ct studies because this study sampled the population at random and included people who tested positive without showing symptoms.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

 

7 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Yet they won't let us do it as of now 

Yeah I don't get it. Maybe this morning's BLA will help change that though. You could check with your doc in a week or so and get his thoughts.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah I don't get it. Maybe this morning's BLA will help change that though. You could check with your doc in a week or so and get his thoughts.

I asked him a few weeks ago and he didn't recommend it. I'll definitely follow up on that one though.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

 

So does this mean we can end the "unapproved vaccine" nonsense?

Nope.