50 minutes ago, Procus said:

Pretty much sums it up for the clear thinking majority:

 

"Majority”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/qanon-guru-dies-from-covid-19-as-her-followers-harass-hospital-staff/ar-AAOpbRz?ocid=entnewsntp

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

 

That's a really good question.  Every day there's a new one that dies.  Does every town have it's own personal group of local right wing radio hosts?  Which begs the question, why is that in any way necessary?  And are there people who listen to 2 or 3 local talk radio hosts, then go home at night and watch Laura Ingram, Hannity and Tucker?  Is it possible that that's someone's life?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/

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If you want to make sense of the number of COVID hospitalizations at any given time, you need to know how sick each patient actually is. Until now, that’s been almost impossible to suss out. The federal government requires hospitals to report every patient who tests positive for COVID, yet the overall tallies of COVID hospitalizations, made available on various state and federal dashboards and widely reported on by the media, do not differentiate based on severity of illness. Some patients need extensive medical intervention, such as getting intubated. Others require supplemental oxygen or administration of the steroid dexamethasone. But there are many COVID patients in the hospital with fairly mild symptoms, too, who have been admitted for further observation on account of their comorbidities, or because they reported feeling short of breath. Another portion of the patients in this tally are in the hospital for something unrelated to COVID, and discovered that they were infected only because they were tested upon admission. How many patients fall into each category has been a topic of much speculation. In August, researchers from Harvard Medical School, Tufts Medical Center, and the Veterans Affairs Healthcare System decided to find out.

Researchers have tried to get at similar questions before. For two separate studies published in May, doctors in California read through several hundred charts of pediatric patients, one by one, to figure out why, exactly, each COVID-positive child had been admitted to the hospital. Did they need treatment for COVID, or was there some other reason for admission, like cancer treatment or a psychiatric episode, and the COVID diagnosis was merely incidental? According to the researchers, 40 to 45 percent of the hospitalizations that they examined were for patients in the latter group.

 

The authors of the paper out this week took a different tack to answer a similar question, this time for adults. Instead of meticulously looking at why a few hundred patients were admitted to a pair of hospitals, they analyzed the electronic records for nearly 50,000 COVID hospital admissions at the more than 100 VA hospitals across the country. Then they checked to see whether each patient required supplemental oxygen or had a blood oxygen level below 94 percent. (The latter criterion is based on the National Institutes of Health definition of "severe COVID.”) If either of these conditions was met, the authors classified that patient as having moderate to severe disease; otherwise, the case was considered mild or asymptomatic.

The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.

This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease. But unvaccinated patients have also been showing up with less severe symptoms, on average, than earlier in the pandemic: The study found that 45 percent of their cases were mild or asymptomatic since January 21. According to Shira Doron, an infectious-disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center, in Boston, and one of the study’s co-authors, the latter finding may be explained by the fact that unvaccinated patients in the vaccine era tend to be a younger cohort who are less vulnerable to COVID and may be more likely to have been infected in the past.

 

 

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

That's a really good question.  Every day there's a new one that dies.  Does every town have it's own personal group of local right wing radio hosts?  Which begs the question, why is that in any way necessary?  And are there people who listen to 2 or 3 local talk radio hosts, then go home at night and watch Laura Ingram, Hannity and Tucker?  Is it possible that that's someone's life?

Possible? How do you think Trump got elected? That's basically 40% of our country.

1 hour ago, Bill said:

"Majority”

Do not think that the insane vocal communists in CVON represent the majority view in this country.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Possible? How do you think Trump got elected? That's basically 40% of our country.

That's just sounds so unimaginably boring it's hard for me to accept that anyone would choose to live like that.

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/

 

Great point about getting the vaccine:

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"People ask me, ‘Why am I getting vaccinated if I just end up in the hospital anyway?’” Griffin said. "But I say, ‘You’ll end up leaving the hospital.’”

You are much more likely to have a mild case vaccinated than unvaxxed.

Overall the disease is expected to become less and less severe as more people are exposed to the coronavirus, whether they choose to vaccinate or catch COVID in the wild. It'll be like the flu, where people will continue to get sick and die each year, but not deaths in the millions worldwide like we saw over the past year and a half. It seems the hospital numbers are beginning to trend that way.

7 minutes ago, Procus said:

Do not think that the insane vocal communists in CVON represent the majority view in this country.

If only there was a way to gauge the sentiment of the citizens and determine how the majority of them feel. Maybe something like where they can choose which people they want to represent them and then tally up those choices and see who was the most desired representative. We should probably look into that at some point. Can't leave pressing questions like this unanswered.

22 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

That's just sounds so unimaginably boring it's hard for me to accept that anyone would choose to live like that.

These are the same people who refuse to watch certain sports or movies based purely on political loyalty. I can't imagine being so in the tank for a political party that I'd stop watching a sport I love, or movies I would've otherwise enjoyed. Then again, I can't imagine voting for an incompetent reality game show host as leader of the free world and yet...

21 minutes ago, Procus said:

Do not think that the insane vocal communists in CVON represent the majority view in this country.

The number of people who have been vaccinated determined that was a lie. 

6 minutes ago, Bill said:

The number of people who have been vaccinated determined that was a lie. 

The question is not whether the majority are vaccinated.  The question is whether or not the majority support mandates and vaccine passports.  And as a follow up, whether the majority support the suppression of treatment options for the sick.

3 minutes ago, Procus said:

The question is not whether the majority are vaccinated.  The question is whether or not the majority support mandates and vaccine passports.  And as a follow up, whether the majority support the suppression of treatment options for the sick.

Ah yes, the trumpbot fantasy where hydroxychloroquine worked and was suppressed, and now the same is happening to ivermectin. It's weird how the vast majority of experts around the world are all in on this conspiracy too.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

The question is not whether the majority are vaccinated.  The question is whether or not the majority support mandates and vaccine passports.  And as a follow up, whether the majority support the suppression of treatment options for the sick.

If you don’t get vaccinated and then end up in the hospital it’s not the freedom of choice you think it is.  It’s creating an incredible drain on our country’s health care resources not to mention prolonging the pandemic.

Of course stuff like vaccine passports and mandates should be off the table, but…. we live in a nation of morons.  Millions of people who think they’re smarter than the scientists and doctors are choosing not to get the vaccine.  So the debate becomes what kind of consequences to put in place…

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Just had a chronic heroin user tell me they were "waiting on the evidence before (they) get experimental junk injected into their body. "

How's everyone else's day going?

Lmao, I got 2 friends to get the vaccine today. So I'm waiting for the phone call of them telling me the vaccine made them sick and then curse me out.

Even though he complains that the vaccine is ruining people's immune system. I said that's not how vaccines work it's the opposite actually. 

But...making crap up is so much fun.

And my position against what Biden is doing via OSHA is clear, before the resident morons start in.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article254212288.html

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Nearly 60% of Americans surveyed in a poll support President Joe Biden’s new COVID-19 vaccine requirements.

The poll found 58% of respondents support Biden’s plan to require many employers to mandate the COVID-19 vaccine or weekly testing — including 41% who "strongly support” it and 17% who "somewhat support” it. Another 9% "somewhat oppose” it and 27% "strongly oppose” it.

 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017b-e021-d5dd-a3ff-e92164b10000

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/politics/cnn-poll-coronavirus-vaccine-mandates/index.html

 

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The public is split about evenly, 51% to 49%, on whether requiring proof of vaccination for everyday activities is an acceptable way to increase the vaccination rate, or an unacceptable infringement on personal rights.

But there's greater backing for requiring vaccines in many specific instances. More than half of Americans now say they support requiring vaccinations for office workers returning to the workplace (54%), students attending in-person classes (55%) and patrons attending sporting events or concerts (55%), although fewer (41%) support requiring vaccinations for a shopper to enter a grocery store.

 

 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

But...making crap up is so much fun.

And my position against what Biden is doing via OSHA is clear, before the resident morons start in.

 

 

Obviously, you are having a blast at it.  Believe it or not, most of the U.S. does not live in your little bubble in LA.

https://www.fox28spokane.com/americans-support-governors-revolt-against-federal-vaccine-mandate-poll-shows/

Americans support governors' revolt against federal vaccine mandate, poll shows

by By Casey Harper The Center Square | @ | September 13, 2021 1:47 pm

 

(The Center Square) – New polling shows that the majority of Americans do not approve of President Joe Biden’s new vaccine mandate.

Biden announced the mandate last week, which includes requirements that any business with more than 100 employees ensure they are vaccinated or be tested weekly. Biden’s announcement included a range of other federal rules that are estimated to affect 100 million Americans.

Convention of States Action released new polling Monday that showed 58.6% of those surveyed "do not believe President Biden has the constitutional authority to force private businesses to require vaccine mandates for employees.”

In the same poll, 29.7% of voters said Biden does have the authority, and 11.7% are unsure. In addition, 55.5% of voters say the mandate "sets a precedent that could be abused by future presidents on other issues.”

A new surge of Republican governors, 27 so far, have announced their opposition to Biden’s mandate. Several lawsuits are reportedly in the works among Republicans.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has been a leading critic of the Biden administration’s COVID-19 requirements, said the president overstepped his constitutional authority.

"When you have a president like Biden issuing unconstitutional edicts against the American people, we have a responsibility to stand up for the Constitution and to fight back, and we are doing that in the state of Florida,” DeSantis said. "This is a president who has acknowledged in the past he does not have the authority to force this on anybody, and this order would result potentially in millions of Americans losing their jobs.”

According to the poll, those governors have Americans’ support. The survey found 56.1% of voters "support the efforts of state governors to oppose Biden’s nationwide vaccine mandate on private businesses.” That includes 46.3% who "strongly support,” and 9.8% who "support.”

Opinions on the mandate fall largely along party lines. Nearly 80% of Republicans support the governors standing up to Biden while about 30% of Democrats feel the same way.

This poll comes on the heels of another poll released last week that showed a sharp drop in approval for Biden after the deadly withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan.

The Economist/YouGov poll reported last week that Biden’s approval fell to an all-time low of his presidency, with 39% of Americans approving of his job performance and 49% disapproving.

"The drop in Biden’s approval rating is most severe among Democrats,” the poll reports. "Around nine in ten of them had approved of Biden’s performance for nearly all of his first year in office. This week, Biden’s approval rating among Democrats dropped nine points to 77% from 86% last week.”

Convention of States Action partnered with The Trafalgar Group to release Monday’s poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 likely voters from Sept. 10-12.

Trafalgar Group...

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Trafalgar Group...

msn, cnn, mcclatchey

Just now, Procus said:

msn, cnn, mcclatchey

Trump lost

 

🤣🤣

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/11/group-most-vax-hesitant-most-educated-researchers-findb-n2593948

 

According to that data, most of them "are people who are detached from the political process and didn’t vote for either major candidate in 2020,” according to CNN.

 

Now, a separate study conducted by researchers at the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University has revealed some other interesting data about the vaccine hesitant.

The researchers looked at vaccine hesitancy across race, education, U.S. region and Trump support in the 2020 election. When it comes to education, this survey found it’s actually the most educated who are most hesitant.

The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a Ph.D.); by May Ph.D.’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Blacks and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than whites in May. (UPMC.com)

Following this trend, a recent MIT study found similar results—that "a substantial portion of public-health skepticism was highly informed, scientifically literate, and sophisticated in the use of data,” reports NRO.

 

 

 

 

But thats not the narrative the left keeps spreading. 

"I'm not anti-vax buuuuut here's an article that says other antivax people are highly educated! So take that libtards!"

Yeah, totally made up who the people are refusing the vaccine. The lowest vaccinations rates being all red states (except Georgia) is just a coincidence. Totally just a narrative.