October 11, 20215 yr Albert, the social media pilot, is perfectly free to go start his own airline with only unvaccinated pilots in a country of his choosing.
October 11, 20215 yr Libs must be really good at these hoaxes to even get Putin to be in on it: Russian Rocket Facility Suspends Tests To Save Oxygen For COVID Patients https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-rocket-tests-oxygen-covid/31502211.html
October 11, 20215 yr Looks like ACIP has a meeting scheduled for Nov 2-3, so the earliest Walensky could weigh in would be the 4th I'd imagine. Then with the new vials being shipped out, my guess is no shots for my kids until a couple weeks later.
October 11, 20215 yr Can I refuse the COVID-19 vaccine if my employer requires it? https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/can-i-refuse-the-covid-19-vaccine-if-my-employer-requires-it/ Quote The only two reasons someone can refuse the shot are if they have a qualifying underlying health condition or deeply held religious beliefs. However, even those reasons won’t be easy to prove, according to West Virginia employment attorney Richard Walters. "We’ve seen a little of both come through with some of the employers I represent. One of the underlying health conditions I’ve seen was an individual that received the first shot had an adverse reaction, so her doctor recommended that she not get the second shot. So, she has a doctor backing her up,” Walters said. If you are trying to get an exemption based on religious beliefs, you can’t just say it. You have to prove you’ve sustained these beliefs consistently. "For those individuals that are trying to get the deeply held religious [exemption], because of the manner in which the vaccines were developed, what they are starting to find out is the COVID-19 is not the only thing developed in that manner,” Walters said. The attorney said things like ibuprofen and Tylenol would also be in violation of such religious beliefs.
October 11, 20215 yr On 10/9/2021 at 6:38 PM, Procus said: He never said that; the quote is bogus. Phrases like "un-American" were not uttered by founding fathers, not appearing in print until after Rush's death. "Undercover" was not used at all until the mid-1800s, and didn't come to be defined in the modern sense until the mid-1900s.
October 11, 20215 yr On 10/10/2021 at 9:21 AM, Procus said: At the end of the day, this is all about whether or not you want to cede control of your lives to unstable mental midgets like the ones who frequent this thread who constantly tell you what you can and can't do. Yeah, it's all about "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" not actual science. That's it. That is the whole basis for this movement against COVID vaccines. This perception that if you take the vaccine, you're "giving in" to what someone else wants to do. There's no rational basis. It's purely emotion-driven nonsense that most people grow out of. I wouldn't accept it from my teenager. I sure as hell am not buying it from somebody on the internet who claims he has lots of buddies prescribing Ivermectin to congress.
October 11, 20215 yr Study saying COVID-19 vaccines cause heart inflammation that was hyped by anti-vaxxers, withdrawn due to miscalculation https://news.yahoo.com/study-saying-covid-19-vaccines-171043375.html Quote By their calculations, the risk of myocarditis was 1 in 1,000 or 0.1%. However, the numbers used by the study were wrong. The authors largely underestimated the amount of vaccines delivered, giving a number 25 times smaller than the actual amount. They initially said that the number of vaccines delivered was 32,379 - when it was actually 854,930. Oh, only exaggerated 25 times the real rate. I wonder why Kz! & the Dumbswine Band never post the retractions of their lies and misinformation?
October 11, 20215 yr 13 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Study saying COVID-19 vaccines cause heart inflammation that was hyped by anti-vaxxers, withdrawn due to miscalculation https://news.yahoo.com/study-saying-covid-19-vaccines-171043375.html Oh, only exaggerated 25 times the real rate. I wonder why Kz! & the Dumbswine Band never post the retractions of their lies and misinformation? Holy ish, the mess-up on those numbers is like NYTimes bad.
October 11, 20215 yr Except a few idiots here used the retracted myocarditis study to bolster their anti-vax arguments while nobody used the retracted NYT article. But yeah, other than that minor detail, the situations are exactly the same.
October 11, 20215 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah, it's all about "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" not actual science. That's it. I'd argue it's about bodily autonomy. Either we have it or we don't. I'm vaccinated but I find these mandates and firing of people to be abhorrent.
October 11, 20215 yr This will not end with Southwest Airlines - it will spread to other airlines. Can only imagine the final costs and ramifications of all of this - but hey - that'll show those airline employees who don't want to be told that have to get vaxxed!!! https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/business/southwest-cancellations/index.html Southwest canceled more than 2,000 weekend flights and the disruption continues By Ramishah Maruf, CNN Business Updated 11:37 AM ET, Mon October 11, 2021
October 11, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: I'd argue it's about bodily autonomy. Either we have it or we don't. I'm vaccinated but I find these mandates and firing of people to be abhorrent. You've never had bodily autonomy with your employer. You most likely have had a dress code, can't show up drunk, had to pass a drug test to be hired, etc. Explain to me how this is different...
October 11, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: This will not end with Southwest Airlines - it will spread to other airlines. Can only imagine the final costs and ramifications of all of this - but hey - that'll show those airline employees who don't want to be told that have to get vaxxed!!! https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/business/southwest-cancellations/index.html Southwest canceled more than 2,000 weekend flights and the disruption continues By Ramishah Maruf, CNN Business Updated 11:37 AM ET, Mon October 11, 2021 Little children and other mentally challenged types will often resist taking their medicine.
October 11, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: This will not end with Southwest Airlines - it will spread to other airlines. Can only imagine the final costs and ramifications of all of this - but hey - that'll show those airline employees who don't want to be told that have to get vaxxed!!! https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/10/business/southwest-cancellations/index.html Southwest canceled more than 2,000 weekend flights and the disruption continues By Ramishah Maruf, CNN Business Updated 11:37 AM ET, Mon October 11, 2021 Beautiful. More of this, please.
October 11, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: You've never had bodily autonomy with your employer. You most likely have had a dress code, can't show up drunk, had to pass a drug test to be hired, etc. Explain to me how this is different... You're asking how a dress code is different than a mandate to inject a foreign substance into your body? That's quite the question.
October 11, 20215 yr Just now, Kz! said: You're asking how a dress code is different than a mandate to inject a foreign substance into your body? That's quite the question. No, dumb ass, the "mandate" is to provide proof of vaccination OR provide negative test results.
October 11, 20215 yr 15 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said: I'd argue it's about bodily autonomy. Either we have it or we don't. I'm vaccinated but I find these mandates and firing of people to be abhorrent. The mandate through OSHA is wrong and way over the line IMO. The government shouldn't be forcing this on private companies. They can do this for government employees and make vaccine mandates a requirement for companies to win new government contracts. If a company wants to mandate vaccinations, however, there is nothing wrong with that. You don't have a Constitutional right to work at Southwest Airlines. Let the private sector handle it.
October 11, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: No, dumb ass, the "mandate" is to provide proof of vaccination OR provide negative test results. Not here. Most jobs are vax or you're fired. No negative testing. My apologies for conflating American/Canadian mandates, but Canada has gone off the deep end.
October 11, 20215 yr Just now, Dawkins 20 said: Not here. Most jobs are vax or you're fired. No negative testing. My apologies for conflating American/Canadian mandates, but Canada has gone off the deep end. Fair enough. I think any sort of mandate should allow for frequent negative testing if the employee chooses to refuse vaccination like for medical or religious exemptions.
October 11, 20215 yr Very sad story out of Indiana: https://www.kwtx.com/2021/10/08/attorney-covid-vaccine-given-family-including-small-kids-instead-flu-shots/ Quote Attorney: COVID vaccines given to family, including small kids, instead of flu shots EVANSVILLE, Ind. (WFIE/Gray News) - Members of an Indiana family who went to get flu shots, including two children, were accidentally given adult doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine, their attorney said. They said it happened Monday at a Walgreens pharmacy, WFIE reported. The family of four includes two adults and children who are 4 and 5 years old. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is only approved for people ages 12 and older. The companies are seeking approval for use in children ages 5 to 11 with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Pfizer and BioNTech proposed a dose one-third the size adults receive for ages 5 to 11. They have not yet sought permission for approval for children 4 and younger. The family’s attorney, Daniel Tuley, shared what he says are the vaccination cards given to the family by Walgreens. They show children born in 2016 and 2017 were given a vaccine shot. The family said they left the pharmacy thinking they had received their flu shots, but a Walgreens employee later called them and said they had made a mistake. The attorney said the cards were then issued since the coronavirus vaccine had been given. Tuley said the children have been taken to a pediatric cardiologist, and the family was told both are showing signs of heart issues. The family said the younger child has been sick with a fever and a cough. On Monday, Walgreen’s sent the following statement: "Due to privacy laws, we cannot comment on specific patient events. However, in general, such instances are rare and Walgreens takes these matters very seriously. In the event of any error, our first concern is always our patients’ well-being. Our multi-step vaccination procedure includes several safety checks to minimize the chance of human error, and we have reviewed this process with our pharmacy staff in order to prevent such occurrences.” Last year, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services used emergency powers due to the pandemic. The directive allows pharmacists in all 50 states to give vaccines, like flu shots, to children 3 and older. TLDR: Kids are taken to Walgreens for a flu shot. They are given the Covid vaccine accidentally. Both are now suffering from heart issues. Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
October 11, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Very sad story out of Indiana: https://www.kwtx.com/2021/10/08/attorney-covid-vaccine-given-family-including-small-kids-instead-flu-shots/ TLDR: Kids are taken to Walgreens for a flu shot. They are given the Covid vaccine accidentally. Both are now suffering from heart issues. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. This is why Pfizer is having to ship new vials. Need to reduce the margin of error on the 10ug dosing.
October 11, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Very sad story out of Indiana: https://www.kwtx.com/2021/10/08/attorney-covid-vaccine-given-family-including-small-kids-instead-flu-shots/ TLDR: Kids are taken to Walgreens for a flu shot. They are given the Covid vaccine accidentally. Both are now suffering from heart issues. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Hope the kids are OK - that family 'bout to get PAAAAIIIIIDDDDDD
October 11, 20215 yr Very sad story out of Denver: Just goes to show you that, while the vast majority won't suffer from extreme side effects from the vaccine, there are risks involved.
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