1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

I never thought I would have said this but...it's time, I'm of the realization that he slows down an offense, if someone would give us an incredible package, I'd say trade him.

Bill Simmons has hinted at the Knicks a few times this year. Joel's former agent is Leon Rose, the VP for the Knicks 

50 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Bill Simmons has hinted at the Knicks a few times this year. Joel's former agent is Leon Rose, the VP for the Knicks 

Stephen A said it a year or two ago, and at the time it was complete blasphemy. Not because Joel is/was so good, but like, the team was really good and it just made no sense.

But he stated it almost as fact that Embiid wanted to go play for NY.

Now, I heard that was mentioned on Bill Simmons recently again. I dont know if hes rehashing Stephen A's old comments, of if Simmons is hearing this stuff himself, recently.

 

I say, go ahead. He is never going to be healthy in a post-season. Never has been. Never gonna win with him. Not gonna win with his style. Not gonna win with his leadership, or lack of. Not gonna win with his perpetual injuries or illnesses.

 

Some will be butthurt and throw this in my face every time he goes for like 40 and 20 this year. I dont care. Hes a proven loser in the playoffs. I stand by what I say regardless of whatever he does in a bunch of meaningless regular season games. 

This is what I thought. Never made sense to have tampering allegations over Harden. He was our player. The NBA did work in the past to encourage player loyalty to their team. Harden gave up  money to stay with his team. And the NBA got mad about it. Ridiculous. But, makes sense that they found no wrong doing.

However, it would have almost been worth it to lose picks for a player like harden, as opposed to losing picks for Tucker, and House.

And those guys were OBVIOUS tampering.

 

Morey is such a Fing idiot. 

15 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Right, how many more draft picks and how many years would have been enough. The Process was ultimately unsuccessful for one primary reason named Ben. 

True, and Fultz. The Spurs were asking for Ben when Kawhi. Imagine if they had made that deal? Imagine if the league imposed GM didn't trade up for Fultz and give up the LA pick in the process. Keeping Bridges would have been nice as well. 

The Process was to put them into a position to succeed and it was a success. The problem is the wrong people were GM to oversee the assets it amassed. 

This really might be the right time to trade Embiid. We’ve all been saying for a few years now that his declined will likely come at a relatively young age and it will happen fast. We may be seeing the start of it. 
 

Sure, he’ll still have some dominant games, but overall he may actually be a detriment to the team at this point. I know it won’t happen, but trading him could be the key to rebuilding on the fly. We’ve got Maxey as the key piece of the team to build around going forward. 

Before we start talking about trading Embiid, I'd like to take a run with him with a better coach. 

36 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Before we start talking about trading Embiid, I'd like to take a run with him with a better coach. 

I hope Harris sees the difference it can make watching the Phillies.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I hope Harris sees the difference it can make watching the Phillies.

Harris just doesn't fit with the team. It's not his fault they have made him a corner 3 point shooter when he is mid range player. 

35 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Before we start talking about trading Embiid, I'd like to take a run with him with a better coach. 

Coaching is not his issue.

As a rookie, he was thin, springy, and quick. He was a more effective defender. A more effective rim protector. And he could keep up with his team playing at a really fast pace.

He put on weight. He barely gets off the floor. He is too slow to be a great shot blocker because he cant fly across the paint in help defense. He is too slow to defend on the perimeter, and his entire arsenal on the defensive end is allow the guy to blow by, and hope to with with a trailing chase down block.

On offense, he can not keep up with the team when they try to run. In years past, he began only running 3pt line to 3pt line. This year it seems he would rather lay on the court on the other end and not even run to the 3pt line. In the half court, for years now, he is consistently on the perimeter. For a few years he used the excuse that he was making room underneath for Simmons to drive. Taking one for the team so to speak. Sacrificing dominating in the post so that Ben could get to the only spot on the court where Ben could be successful. Admirable, although frustrating. However, Ben has been gone, and Embiid still wants no part of the low post. Not admirable at all. 

Harden is a great lob guy. He and Joel run pick and roll constantly in games, but Joel most of the time would rather pop instead of roll to the rim. All he wants to do is shoot jump shots.

He is so big, and talented, he can thrive in box scores with the skills that he has. But its not effective to win games in todays NBA against the elite teams. His perimeter ISOs take all the time off the shot clock. He gets doubled and turns the ball over. For short periods of time in each season, it looks like he improves his passing and vision, but the turnovers always come back and plague him. He has never permanently improved that aspect of his game. 

Regardless of coaching, these are permanent changes necessitated by his body, and lack of durability.

Leadership is lacking. Who ever talks about him as a great team guy? All we hear is he encouraged Ben to shoot more. He and the rest of the team encourage Maxey to be consistently aggressive. But, he never really built a relationship with Ben. Which would have been vitally important to the teams success when they were to 2 young buildingblocks of a potential championship team. And the team through their tenure has alway suffered from letdown games where Philly thinks they are too good and can coast against bad teams, and ends up losing. We already heard that again this year against the Spurs. He is lazy. As the face of the franchise, his teams are always prone to coming out extremely flat. He does not motivate. Instead of being passionate on the court when things are going bad, and demanding excellence from his team, he is often the one turning the ball over, and then moping.  He has always been motivated by the MVP race. An individual accolade.

No coach is going to make him faster again. No coach is going to be able to keep him healthy enough in the post-season. Theyve tried a ton of rest. Theyve tried less rest. Neither approach worked. He has never been healthy enough to carry the team through a post-season. And at this point, his style of play is becoming more of a hinderance. At this point even if he was healthy, Im not sure we want what he brings.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Coaching is not his issue.

As a rookie, he was thin, springy, and quick. He was a more effective defender. A more effective rim protector. And he could keep up with his team playing at a really fast pace.

He put on weight. He barely gets off the floor. He is too slow to be a great shot blocker because he cant fly across the paint in help defense. He is too slow to defend on the perimeter, and his entire arsenal on the defensive end is allow the guy to blow by, and hope to with with a trailing chase down block.

On offense, he can not keep up with the team when they try to run. In years past, he began only running 3pt line to 3pt line. This year it seems he would rather lay on the court on the other end and not even run to the 3pt line. In the half court, for years now, he is consistently on the perimeter. For a few years he used the excuse that he was making room underneath for Simmons to drive. Taking one for the team so to speak. Sacrificing dominating in the post so that Ben could get to the only spot on the court where Ben could be successful. Admirable, although frustrating. However, Ben has been gone, and Embiid still wants no part of the low post. Not admirable at all. 

Harden is a great lob guy. He and Joel run pick and roll constantly in games, but Joel most of the time would rather pop instead of roll to the rim. All he wants to do is shoot jump shots.

He is so big, and talented, he can thrive in box scores with the skills that he has. But its not effective to win games in todays NBA against the elite teams. His perimeter ISOs take all the time off the shot clock. He gets doubled and turns the ball over. For short periods of time in each season, it looks like he improves his passing and vision, but the turnovers always come back and plague him. He has never permanently improved that aspect of his game. 

Regardless of coaching, these are permanent changes necessitated by his body, and lack of durability.

Leadership is lacking. Who ever talks about him as a great team guy? All we hear is he encouraged Ben to shoot more. He and the rest of the team encourage Maxey to be consistently aggressive. But, he never really built a relationship with Ben. Which would have been vitally important to the teams success when they were to 2 young buildingblocks of a potential championship team. And the team through their tenure has alway suffered from letdown games where Philly thinks they are too good and can coast against bad teams, and ends up losing. We already heard that again this year against the Spurs. He is lazy. As the face of the franchise, his teams are always prone to coming out extremely flat. He does not motivate. Instead of being passionate on the court when things are going bad, and demanding excellence from his team, he is often the one turning the ball over, and then moping.  He has always been motivated by the MVP race. An individual accolade.

No coach is going to make him faster again. No coach is going to be able to keep him healthy enough in the post-season. Theyve tried a ton of rest. Theyve tried less rest. Neither approach worked. He has never been healthy enough to carry the team through a post-season. And at this point, his style of play is becoming more of a hinderance. At this point even if he was healthy, Im not sure we want what he brings.

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Its not how teams win in todays NBA. 

We havent gotten out of the 2nd round. And the only team with an arguably better Center since he actually wins MVP, the nuggets- havent really been close to winning anything either.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Harris just doesn't fit with the team. It's not his fault they have made him a corner 3 point shooter when he is mid range player. 

Josh Harris. I hope he sees what changing a manager/coach can do.

how is cleveland's bench looking this season?  we could probably get a few of those guys for embiid to add some depth. 

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Harris just doesn't fit with the team. It's not his fault they have made him a corner 3 point shooter when he is mid range player. 

truth. honestly, even a guy like chris boucher would give them more of what they need at pf....3 point shooting and length/occasional shot blocking. 

 

49 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

how is cleveland's bench looking this season?  we could probably get a few of those guys for embiid to add some depth. 

They got Mobley and Jarrett Allen, they fit well with Garland and Mitchell. Where Embiid wouldn't. 

Embiid fits with shooters and secondary guys like Jrue holiday. Team still isn't constructed that way with Harden loves to pound the ball into the ground. 

25 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

They got Mobley and Jarrett Allen, they fit well with Garland and Mitchell. Where Embiid wouldn't. 

Embiid fits with shooters and secondary guys like Jrue holiday. Team still isn't constructed that way with Harden loves to pound the ball into the ground. 

He's trying to make fun of me liking a Cleveland package centered around Sexton, Nance and picks for Ben Simmons last year. 

Ultimately,  it would have been way better than getting Harden.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

He's trying to make fun of me liking a Cleveland package centered around Sexton, Nance and picks for Ben Simmons last year. 

Ultimately,  it would have been way better than getting Harden.

Pretty sure Cleveland would have done Garland at the beginning of the trade rumors 

26 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Pretty sure Cleveland would have done Garland at the beginning of the trade rumors 

lol. may have. wouldnt that have been something.

Amazing 

 

 

Lol

What a dysfunctional scummy organization 

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Amazing 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Blazehound said:

What a dysfunctional scummy organization 

 

Ume is known as a tough coach but a good defensive mind. If he can't make Ben good this year, then it is really over for him. 

Y'all should see the Nets highlights against the Bulls.  Kyrie did not want to be there.  4 points in 33 minutes.  No effort at all.   He basically quit on them.  Ben was a DNP again.  That organization is a mess. 

Of course, last year I declared the Cs a mess at one point and they ended up in the Finals. 

What would Ben get in a trade right now?  Do you think they'd take a 2nd just so we could get him back and sit him on the bench for fans to boo every night?

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What would Ben get in a trade right now?  Do you think they'd take a 2nd just so we could get him back and sit him on the bench for fans to boo every night?

We have no 2's for like 20 years due to tampering.....