2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only reason i like the kings deal is i believe haliburton in 2-3 years is going to be a legitimate star in this league but I’ve thought that since he was drafted. However if you don’t believe he is then the value isn’t anywhere close to what you potentially could get even from an aging harden. I think he and maxey in 3 years would be an incredible backcourt but by that point who knows what embiid would be. 

the flaw in that logic is acting as if it was an either or scenario. It wasnt. We could have had all of them.

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Have you watched him though? He lost his first step and his shooting % from FG and 3 are down a good amount. 

he just likes to make sarcastic posts. Knowledge is secondary. 

5 minutes ago, rambo said:

I'd take Hield for 20mm for the next 2 years over that trash.  Hield's shooting 38% from the FIELD!  Add that to Embiid and it's a stroll to the finals.

Of course you don't put it into context. He is shooting 71.4% of his shots from 3 so of course he will have a low FG%. But you don't say he is shooting 36.8% on 9 attempts and is a career 40% on 7.6 attempts. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only reason i like the kings deal is i believe haliburton in 2-3 years is going to be a legitimate star in this league but I’ve thought that since he was drafted. However if you don’t believe he is then the value isn’t anywhere close to what you potentially could get even from an aging harden. I think he and maxey in 3 years would be an incredible backcourt but by that point who knows what embiid would be. 

Really the timeline is tied to Embiid.  Do you want to wait and hope Hali to develops into a star while wasting prime Embiid or get a top 5-10 player to pair with him either this year or next?  That's really the crux of it.  I think Hali has potential but I'm not sure I want to wait for it.  Embiid is on a mission.  Get him a legit star.  Trade Ben for Harden, dump Harris on OKC and sign Thad off the street is the best bet for this year and probably next.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only reason i like the kings deal is i believe haliburton in 2-3 years is going to be a legitimate star in this league but I’ve thought that since he was drafted. However if you don’t believe he is then the value isn’t anywhere close to what you potentially could get even from an aging harden. I think he and maxey in 3 years would be an incredible backcourt but by that point who knows what embiid would be. 

I don't know about a star but a guy like Dejounte Murray who was my number 1 target for the longest. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Of course you don't put it into context. He is shooting 71.4% of his shots from 3 so of course he will have a low FG%. But you don't say he is shooting 36.8% on 9 attempts and is a career 40% on 7.6 attempts. 

Yeah.  He doesn't defend and can't finish at the rim.  I just don't think he brings anything worth near his paycheck.  We have Curry for that role already.

Just now, rambo said:

Here's my

Really the timeline is tied to Embiid.  Do you want to wait and hope Hali to develops into a star while wasting prime Embiid or get a top 5-10 player to pair with him either this year or next?  That's really the crux of it.  I think Hali has potential but I'm not sure I want to wait for it.  Embiid is on a mission.  Get him a legit star.  Trade Ben for Harden, dump Harris on OKC and sign Thad off the street is the best bet for this year and probably next.

I mean if you have watched Haliburton play you really don't have to wait a few years for him. Get him acclimated playing next to Maxey and Maxey getting use to playing off ball and let them roll. 

Dude can play and has a better WAR than Harden this year. Harden D has really regressed. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

the flaw in that logic is acting as if it was an either or scenario. It wasnt. We could have had all of them.

he just likes to make sarcastic posts. Knowledge is secondary. 

I posted what bodner said in yhe tweet. Only way they could outright sign harden is if they traded tobias and then traded Simmons in the offseason to a team with cap space like spurs and now Portland which they wouldn’t take much back cause financially they couldn’t.

3 minutes ago, rambo said:

Yeah.  He doesn't defend and can't finish at the rim.  I just don't think he brings anything worth near his paycheck.  We have Curry for that role already.

Because having one knockdown shooter is enough. Why do the Sixers need a guy that can finish at the rim when would have Maxey and Haliburton 

He has better advanced defensive metrics than Harden. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I posted what bodner said in yhe tweet. Only way they could outright sign harden is if they traded tobias and then traded Simmons in the offseason to a team with cap space like spurs and now Portland which they wouldn’t take much back cause financially they couldn’t.

the whole big story of the Kings being willing to take Harris for Barnes, was that Barnes was then going to free up the cap space. In that scenario, Ben and Harris were out. Youd have Hield and Haliburton, and cap space to sign harden, or at least space to be allowed to do a sign and trade in which case you just have to be under the apron so you arent hard capped.

17 minutes ago, nipples said:

Well considering the playoffs don’t start for some time now, what exactly do we have to go by other than the regular season? The East is wide open, and when you’ve got Embiid playing at this level you absolutely are a contender for the conference. Are they the favorite? No. Not right now, but the whole debate was how much better their chances would be if Morey had actually done the Kings deal. 

Wait for the March Embiid injury.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

the whole big story of the Kings being willing to take Harris for Barnes, was that Barnes was then going to free up the cap space. In that scenario, Ben and Harris were out. Youd have Hield and Haliburton, and cap space to sign harden, or at least space to be allowed to do a sign and trade in which case you just have to be under the apron so you arent hard capped.

Yep.

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Because having one knockdown shooter is enough. Why do the Sixers need a guy that can finish at the rim when would have Maxey and Haliburton 

He has better advanced defensive metrics than Harden. 

Haliburton + Hield + Harden is better than just Harden. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise is just arguing to argue.

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Because having one knockdown shooter is enough. Why do the Sixers need a guy that can finish at the rim when would have Maxey and Haliburton 

He has better advanced defensive metrics than Harden. 

Shooters are fine.  Tying up 20 million per for the next 2 seasons for just that is not.  That's pretty much all I have to say on Hield.  If his price tag was half of what it is, then sure...bring him onboard.  He's not being paid like the role player he is.  Again, no beef with Hali.  He's certainly flashed some potential.  He's just got some growing to do.  Playoff basketball is a whole different animal.  Just ask Ben. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Haliburton + Hield + Harden is better than just Harden. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise is just arguing to argue.

My only question is what happens to the kid in that scenario? You trading Maxey?

Just now, rambo said:

Shooters are fine.  Tying up 20 million per for the next 2 seasons for just that is not.  That's pretty much all I have to say on Hield.  If his price tag was half of what it is, then sure...bring him onboard.  He's not being paid like the role player he is.  Again, no beef with Hali.  He's certainly flashed some potential.  He's just got some growing to do.  Playoff basketball is a whole different animal.  Just ask Ben. 

So you know the psyche/confidence of a player you don't watch? 

That is like saying Ja Morant is going to start playing differently when it comes to playoff time. 

Ben was a **** for years so playoff basketball didn't expose him to be a fraud. We have years of evidence of that. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

My only question is what happens to the kid in that scenario? You trading Maxey?

Move Maxey off ball and start him with Haliburton 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

My only question is what happens to the kid in that scenario? You trading Maxey?

Harden, Maxey, Haliburton, Barnes, Embiid

Curry and Hield on the bench. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

So you know the psyche/confidence of a player you don't watch?

Sorry that you watch Kings basketball.  Nobody should have to endure that.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Harden, Maxey, Haliburton, Barnes, Embiid

Curry and Hield on the bench. 

Doesn't that put 3 SG/PG on the floor at once?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Doesn't that put 3 SG/PG on the floor at once?

Haliburton is 6'7'' with long arms and can defend the 3.

You start the game like that. most of the time one of those guys will be running with the bench unit.

22 minutes ago, nipples said:

Well considering the playoffs don’t start for some time now, what exactly do we have to go by other than the regular season? The East is wide open, and when you’ve got Embiid playing at this level you absolutely are a contender for the conference. Are they the favorite? No. Not right now, but the whole debate was how much better their chances would be if Morey had actually done the Kings deal. 

Just look at the roster.   That’s all you need to know.  And the fact that the East is wide open is the only reason why they are only 2 games out.  In reality talent-wise they are a 4th-6th seed.  
Embiid is playing great.  But when was the last time a big man did it all himself on the way to a title?   And yes, of course the Kings deal would have made them better.  It would have given them more guards and scoring options over what they have now.  You net Zero with Ben Simmons.  So how is a different player instead of Ben not an improvement?  

Nets getting Simmons then probably picking up an Ibaka/Robin Lopez during buyouts makes them extremely dangerous as well. 

You can't find a better spot for Simmons. 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

the whole big story of the Kings being willing to take Harris for Barnes, was that Barnes was then going to free up the cap space. In that scenario, Ben and Harris were out. Youd have Hield and Haliburton, and cap space to sign harden, or at least space to be allowed to do a sign and trade in which case you just have to be under the apron so you arent hard capped.

You had to take back Barnes, hield and Haliburton to do that trade. Barnes still had a year left on his deal at 18 mil so have to move Barnes in the offseason in order to create the full space by Harris being moved. 

the sixers couldn’t outright sign (not sign and trade or trade) harden like reported earlier today with just unloading Harris to like Okc. 

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Doesn't that put 3 SG/PG on the floor at once?

With Harden and Embiid on the floor I'd start Thybulle.  Enough scoring there already.  Haliburton/Maxey bench.  Not happening anyway so don't lose sleep over it.

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Wait for the March Embiid injury.

Yep.

Whether they get Harden, Beal, or whoever else they aren’t winning if Embiid gets hurt. So no point in playing that game. All we can do is evaluate their chances with Embiid being healthy. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You had to take back Barnes, hield and Haliburton to do that trade. Barnes still had a year left on his deal at 18 mil so have to move Barnes in the offseason in order to create the full space by Harris. 

yes. Barnes would be moving as an expiring contract. 

Just now, nipples said:

Whether they get Harden, Beal, or whoever else they aren’t winning if Embiid gets hurt. So no point in playing that game. All we can do is evaluate their chances with Embiid being healthy. 

Just goes into the regular season doesn't matter. I can't think of a playoffs when he was healthy though.