9 minutes ago, nipples said:

Yeah not looking good for him. All he had to do is develop a three point shot that was just average and he’d be a useful piece. Just hasn’t been able to do it, and in fact his 3P% has gone DOWN each year. 
 

I’m sure there are a few examples, but off the top of my head I cannot recall a player who shot the three progressively worse his first three seasons, and eventually turned it around to become a decent shooter. 

the odds were never in his favor because he played college all 4 years. He was close to maxed by the time he entered the league. But his shot didnt look bad, and he seems like he works. But.... its gone in the other direction somehow. 

attach tisse to a tobi deal in the offseason. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its almost like simmons never left

The problem with Thybulle, unlike Ben, is he's not afraid to shoot.  

1 hour ago, nipples said:

With that said, let’s put this game in perspective though. If you look at Orlando overall, yes their record is horrible. But they’ve actually been playing really well recently. Just beat the Timberwolves on Friday (wolves are hot too, won 8 of last 10), only lost by 3 to the Suns last week. Beat the Raptors recently. 

Come on.  No excuse.  The Magic didn't almost beat the Sixers last night, the Sixers almost beat the Sixers last night.  

 

Another game where they came out slow in the 1st quarter.  Another game with no movement in the half court, in the first half.  You got two ball dominate guys who everyone clears out for and they just try to draw fouls.  That's not a strategy that gets them in rhythm and others involved.  And people wonder why Tobi has been slow to adjust, it's because he's told to stand there and watch and then bail out Embiid or Harden when they dribble into a double.  Can Tobi knock down more, like last night, sure.  But the offense is stale because there is no offense.  

 

 

 

And is there a more unlikable young player in the NBA than Cole Anthony?  Complete opposite from Maxey.  

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Come on.  No excuse.  The Magic didn't almost beat the Sixers last night, the Sixers almost beat the Sixers last night.  

 

Another game where they came out slow in the 1st quarter.  Another game with no movement in the half court, in the first half.  You got two ball dominate guys who everyone clears out for and they just try to draw fouls.  That's not a strategy that gets them in rhythm and others involved.  And people wonder why Tobi has been slow to adjust, it's because he's told to stand there and watch and then bail out Embiid or Harden when they dribble into a double.  Can Tobi knock down more, like last night, sure.  But the offense is stale because there is no offense.  

 

 

 

And is there a more unlikable young player in the NBA than Cole Anthony?  Complete opposite from Maxey.  

This is a problem when you have Harden on your team. It's everyone standing around waiting for him to either pass, shoot or drive and try to draw a foul. It's been the same sheet everywhere he has been. He takes the whole team out of rythm waiting on him. 

Now you have Embiid doing the same sheet. 

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

This is a problem when you have Harden on your team. It's everyone standing around waiting for him to either pass, shoot or drive and try to draw a foul. It's been the same sheet everywhere he has been. He takes the whole team out of rythm waiting on him. 

Now you have Embiid doing the same sheet. 

So you're saying they're not a good fit?  Hmmm

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So you're saying they're not a good fit?  Hmmm

All we needed around Joel is a bunch of Summer League Isaiah Joes. Which is basically Haliburton. and Bridges. Desmond Bane. And OG Anunoby.  Guys who can shoot the 3, or attack closeouts effectively. And can create their own shot when needed, but arent ball dominant. And its why Joe should be playing a lot more minutes.

Morey, and a whole bunch of people in this thread are obsessed with stacking stars. It creates a higher scoring potential in any given game, but less efficiency overall. On a night when the contested ISO shots arent falling, you get trash. We have seen both ends of the spectrum already. Its not going to change. And you never know which end youll be on on any given night.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

All we needed around Joel is a bunch of Summer League Isaiah Joes. Which is basically Haliburton. and Bridges. Desmond Bane. And OG Anunoby.  Guys who can shoot the 3, or attack closeouts effectively. And can create their own shot when needed, but arent ball dominant. And its why Joe should be playing a lot more minutes.

Morey, and a whole bunch of people in this thread are obsessed with stacking stars. It creates a higher scoring potential in any given game, but less efficiency overall. On a night when the contested ISO shots arent falling, you get trash. We have seen both ends of the spectrum already. Its not going to change. And you never know which end youll be on on any given night.

Doc Popovich will figure it out.  

40 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Come on.  No excuse.  The Magic didn't almost beat the Sixers last night, the Sixers almost beat the Sixers last night.  

 

Another game where they came out slow in the 1st quarter.  Another game with no movement in the half court, in the first half.  You got two ball dominate guys who everyone clears out for and they just try to draw fouls.  That's not a strategy that gets them in rhythm and others involved.  And people wonder why Tobi has been slow to adjust, it's because he's told to stand there and watch and then bail out Embiid or Harden when they dribble into a double.  Can Tobi knock down more, like last night, sure.  But the offense is stale because there is no offense.  

 

 

 

And is there a more unlikable young player in the NBA than Cole Anthony?  Complete opposite from Maxey.  

Not an excuse, just saying the Magic lately have played better than their season record.Sixers definitely need to figure things out over these next few weeks

embiid has been inefficient since the all star break...glenn's iso offense is probably wearing him down. and there still aren't enough shooters around jojo & harden. niang is really the only guy who knows his role & sticks to it. 

23 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

embiid has been inefficient since the all star break...glenn's iso offense is probably wearing him down. and there still aren't enough shooters around jojo & harden. niang is really the only guy who knows his role & sticks to it. 

Its probably hurt these last few games missing green, believe it or not. He was actually shooting it well the night he got his finger cut.

I dont think we even noticed hes been out of the lineup because he usually invisible. But the results have been noticeable. We have struggled with floor spacing, and shooting. 

I wonder if this lineup on the floor could make some sense:

Embiid/Niang/Harris/Maxey/Harden

Thybulle has to be on the floor when we are trying to close out a game with a lead. Not when we need scoring. At this point we'd be better off starting Danny Green.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I wonder if this lineup on the floor could make some sense:

Embiid/Niang/Harris/Maxey/Harden

Thybulle has to be on the floor when we are trying to close out a game with a lead. Not when we need scoring. At this point we'd be better off starting Danny Green.

possibly. But Harris at the 3 is another adjustment for him to make. so he will slump a long time and probably not be as effective there.

I think when Green's finger is healed, he just needs to come back to the starting lineup, and keep Harris at the 4. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

possibly. But Harris at the 3 is another adjustment for him to make. so he will slump a long time and probably not be as effective there.

I think when Green's finger is healed, he just needs to come back to the starting lineup, and keep Harris at the 4. 

I've never really liked Harris at the 4, but it's the new way in the NBA. He's really a tweener to me. But I hear you -- asking him to play the 3 will probably make his head explode. 

I really think Niang needs more minutes. 

Suddenly, I'm wishing the JJ rumors a few weeks ago were true.

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

possibly. But Harris at the 3 is another adjustment for him to make. so he will slump a long time and probably not be as effective there.

I think when Green's finger is healed, he just needs to come back to the starting lineup, and keep Harris at the 4. 

That's what gets me about Tobi more-so than the contract.  Statistically he's Joe Johnson but slightly more efficient from the field. Considering Joe Johnson's career earnings Tobias is on par adjusted for inflation. 

What's frustrating is how he's such a slow adjuster to change or set back.  Between his shoulder issue and missing Ben at the beginning of the season it basically took him two months to return to being Tobi.  Then Harden comes and again Tobi regresses for a while now (hopefully) he's getting his groove back.  But yeah, moving him to the 3 at this point could throw him off balance for 2 - 3 weeks or more and we don't have that kind of time. 

Shake is looking like another guy who slumps after a set back.  We need that kid to progress and not regress. 

the 3 & 4 aren't any different on offense. basically, everybody stands outside the 3 point line on offense.   the only change would be tobi guarding 3's on defense. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

embiid has been inefficient since the all star break...glenn's iso offense is probably wearing him down. and there still aren't enough shooters around jojo & harden. niang is really the only guy who knows his role & sticks to it. 

Honestly it’s why i said when the trade happened their best shot at a title was like next year. Their pieces right now aren’t good enough around embiid and harden. I expect next year the pieces around them are much different cause i think morey wanted to get the deal done so this offseason he could move onto that phase of the team as he wasn’t able to get a deal done until the last hour of the deadline. 

Really the sixers have 4 starters in harden, embiid, Harris and maxey. Thybulle, niang and green aren’t starters or aren’t starters anymore. Niang and green are fine bench pieces as your 7th and 8th guys. Thybulle is fine as a bench piece but frankly I’d use him as part of a Harris deal. However they have a hole at the wing in their starting lineup. They need a guy who can defend and shoot from that position. They don’t have it. Shake, kork, Jordan, millsap are inconsistent and frankly i don’t think are championship caliber bench pieces. 

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

the 3 & 4 aren't any different on offense. basically, everybody stands outside the 3 point line on offense.   the only change would be tobi guarding 3's on defense. 

The switch is more about getting Thybulle out of the lineup. The only way to do that, outside of Green, is to shift Tobi to the 3 and play Niang at 4. Harris isn’t super athletic but Niang definitely can’t guard the wing. 

i think they closed out yesterday's game with both harris & niang on the court....only using thybulle on a few defensive possessions.  it definitely helps with spacing on offense. but yeah...both harris & niang would struggle guarding wings full time. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly it’s why i said when the trade happened their best shot at a title was like next year. Their pieces right now aren’t good enough around embiid and harden. I expect next year the pieces around them are much different cause i think morey wanted to get the deal done so this offseason he could move onto that phase of the team as he wasn’t able to get a deal done until the last hour of the deadline. 

 

yep...i think they kept a couple fake creators on the roster...shake & kork...because it was such a need coming into the season. but now that they have harden & maxey has improved so much, those guys are expendable. replace them with spot up shooters & the scoring depth is automatically better.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i think they closed out yesterday's game with both harris & niang on the court....only using thybulle on a few defensive possessions.  it definitely helps with spacing on offense. but yeah...both harris & niang would struggle guarding wings full time. 

I agree neither is ideal for guarding the wing, but of the two Harris is obviously the better option. Right now it needs to be about getting the best five players on the court, and that is clearly Harden, Maxey, Harris, Niang, and Embiid. 
 

Thybulle’s defense is great, though he still fouls too much, but you can’t have a total offensive black hole on the court. Thybulle’s minutes really need to be reserved for when they have a late lead they’re trying to hold on to. 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

yep...i think they kept a couple fake creators on the roster...shake & kork...because it was such a need coming into the season. but now that they have harden & maxey has improved so much, those guys are expendable. replace them with spot up shooters & the scoring depth is automatically better.

I think the hawks are a team that will be active this summer on moving guys. They are underachieving this year and they have some contracts I’m guessing they’d like to move. I look at some other teams like that who might be willing to move guys after a underachieving season. 

13 minutes ago, nipples said:

I agree neither is ideal for guarding the wing, but of the two Harris is obviously the better option. Right now it needs to be about getting the best five players on the court, and that is clearly Harden, Maxey, Harris, Niang, and Embiid. 
 

Thybulle’s defense is great, though he still fouls too much, but you can’t have a total offensive black hole on the court. Thybulle’s minutes really need to be reserved for when they have a late lead they’re trying to hold on to. 

Who guards KD or Tatum in these match ups. KD absolutely cooked Harris the other day and made him look invisible. 

 

 

the fact that we're trying to figure out ways to get both pf's on the court at the same time for better shooting/spacing tells you exactly how turrible the backup guards are.