Saw Reed get minutes. How did he play? 

The more developed Embiid's offensive game gets the less effective he seems to be on defense. I appreciate that he wants to put less wear and tear on his body but effective big men need to at least do something on the defensive end. There's no energy or desire there from what I can see.

Also, why is it that he immediately hits the deck the second someone gets close to him?

That along with the Harden debacle and Doc standing around with that stupid look on his face for 60 minutes adding zero value is going to be the reason this team exits in the 2nd round of the playoffs... if they're lucky to make it out of the 1st round.

15 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Harden is a 36% 3pt shooter for his career..  he hasn't shot better the 33% in 3 seasons... He is also the only player in NBA history to shoot at least 200 3's a season for his career and not have a single season at 40%

Keep crying that he's hurt he isn't, this is who he is. 

 

I think he’s declined however i don’t think he’s 30% shooter declined from 36.2% last year to 30.8% so far. I’d be willing to bet you next year he shoots better than 31%. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think he’s declined however i don’t think he’s 30% shooter declined from 36.6% last year to 30.8% so far. I’d be willing to bet you next year he shoots better than 31%. 

I'd hope so cause he will be on his new 230 million dollar contract lol. 

17 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'd hope so cause he will be on his new 230 million dollar contract lol. 

So do i. However i think dropping 6% in one year is more than just falling off a cliff. He shot 46.6%  and 36.2% with the nets and houston last year. That means with the sixers he’s dropped about 7% and 6% in those two categories (over the last month plus it would be 10% and nearly 7%). i don’t think that’s just all decline. Unless his hammy is completely horrible to the point it’ll never recover then i doubt it’s just decline. 

just to point out he didn’t play for a 3 week period. His first 5 games back he shot 53% and 44 from 3. Since then he’s 36.6% and 30.8%. I tend to think he’s declining but his hammy definitely isn’t right to drop that much. I’m guessing it’s likely cause he actually got 3 weeks off

another issue is our bench sucks most nights so you are asking a 32 year old to play 38 mins on average. That’s ridiculous for the regular season. 

Besides harden shooting like crap, Harris doing his disappearing act in big games and doc being a fraud of a coach, the bench wouldn’t be nearly his awful if the sixers weren’t completely incompetent the last time they had significant cap space and signed Al horford. That 2019 was the last time they were going to have significant cap space due to embiid and Simmons contracts kicking in. So they spent their last big time splash on Horford. What do they have to show for it?  a broken down Danny green and a loss of a pick.  Instead they could’ve had 2-3 good role players and bench players if they were smart. this bench likely is not this inconsistent and bad. 

the fultz trade hurt but we were fortunate to get maxey due to that pick with the trade with Orlando (thank you muscala). Okafor, tlc, kork and Noel picks over other players available also severely hurt. However that signing of horford was bashed by everyone on here and was thought to be completely stupid at the time. 

They are screwed. Morey sucks, Doc sucks, Harris sucks, Harden is trending towards sucking. Biggest problem is the owner sucks.

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They are screwed. Morey sucks, Doc sucks, Harris sucks, Harden is trending towards sucking. Biggest problem is the owner sucks.

I said at the time the trade their best chance at winning a title wasn’t this season. I believe next year is the year and if they don’t we are likely never going to with this core of guys. I didnt think they have the bench good enough or consistent enough, doc is not a good enough coach and I don’t think their roster is constructed to way Morey he thinks they can win a title. I think he wanted to get the harden deal done so this offseason he doesn’t have to do that major leg work. Whether or not this works out who knows. Trending towards no. I felt then and i still do that there’s another shooter drop and I think it’s Tobias Harris this off-season and adding some guys to the bench to make them actually have a consistent bench.

Problem is with harden we won’t know if it’s just he completely fell off the cliff or if it is a issue with his hammy and he returns closer to 2020-21 form until next year. If the sixers fail next year unless morey has a huge trick up his sleeve i don’t see them winning a title after that. 

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said at the time the trade their best chance at winning a title wasn’t this season. I believe next year is the year and if they don’t we are likely never going to with this core of guys. I didnt think they have the bench good enough or consistent enough, doc is not a good enough coach and I don’t think their roster is constructed to way Morey he thinks they can win a title. I think he wanted to get the harden deal done so this offseason he doesn’t have to do that major leg work. Whether or not this works out who knows. Trending towards no. I felt then and i still do that there’s another shooter drop and I think it’s Tobias Harris this off-season and adding some guys to the bench to make them actually have a consistent bench.

Problem is with harden we won’t know if it’s just he completely fell off the cliff or if it is a issue with his hammy and he returns closer to 2020-21 form until next year. If the sixers fail next year unless morey has a huge trick up his sleeve i don’t see them winning a title after that. 

We agree on a lot of points. A few of us kept saying make the Kings trade and get some depth and then go after Harden this off-season. I get Morey thinking it's better to get him now, but he was going to be available for nothing this summer...now the only way they get depth is moving Harris, which is another move he should have made this year.

Maybe they move Harris for some depth and it gives them room to get Beal. I don't see Morey as a roster builder so much as a big splash guy...kind of like Ruben with the Phillies who only had one trick. He made some great trades, but the farm system went to crap. He wasn't able to make the small moves that win championships. That's who Morey is in the NBA and it's going to be a big problem.

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So do i. However i think dropping 6% in one year is more than just falling off a cliff. He shot 46.6%  and 36.2% with the nets and houston last year. That means with the sixers he’s dropped about 7% and 6% in those two categories (over the last month plus it would be 10% and nearly 7%). i don’t think that’s just all decline. Unless his hammy is completely horrible to the point it’ll never recover then i doubt it’s just decline. 

just to point out he didn’t play for a 3 week period. His first 5 games back he shot 53% and 44 from 3. Since then he’s 36.6% and 30.8%. I tend to think he’s declining but his hammy definitely isn’t right to drop that much. I’m guessing it’s likely cause he actually got 3 weeks off

another issue is our bench sucks most nights so you are asking a 32 year old to play 38 mins on average. That’s ridiculous for the regular season. 

I thought the hammy that he supposedly hurt was just an act so he wouldn't get hurt before he got traded to the sixers?? I mean he was running up and down steps after a game? 

The only ones saying he is hurt are the people on this board. I guess what ever makes people feel better about trading for that loser. Being terrible in big games has always been his thing 

I talked about the bench and role players and I was laughed out of here. Now people are losing their minds over how sheety the role players and bench is. 

Sure he plays a lot of minutes but that doesn't stop him from going out drinking after games for a soon to be 33 yrs old. No one seems to mind that even though that's probably another reason why he is declining so rapidly. 

Also have to take into account he can't get all the BS calls he used to get from throwing his body around like a moron to draw fouls. Rules that were created because of him and trae young.

A lot of people said Harden is going to struggle because he won't get those calls anymore. Maybe instead of driving into the lane and just letting the ball fly out of his hands to draw fouls he should just take it and drive it through someone to draw fouls instead of flailing like a puss then standing there arguing instead of getting back on defense. 

I'll take the word of all the current and former NBA players that said Harden will never win sheet because of his attitude, playing style and lifestyle. 

Embiid is gonna have a wasted MVP season because Morey had to have his butt buddy and that's the bottom line

35 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I thought the hammy that he supposedly hurt was just an act so he wouldn't get hurt before he got traded to the sixers?? I mean he was running up and down steps after a game? 

The only ones saying he is hurt are the people on this board. I guess what ever makes people feel better about trading for that loser. Being terrible in big games has always been his thing 

I talked about the bench and role players and I was laughed out of here. Now people are losing their minds over how sheety the role players and bench is. 

Sure he plays a lot of minutes but that doesn't stop him from going out drinking after games for a soon to be 33 yrs old. No one seems to mind that even though that's probably another reason why he is declining so rapidly. 

Also have to take into account he can't get all the BS calls he used to get from throwing his body around like a moron to draw fouls. Rules that were created because of him and trae young.

A lot of people said Harden is going to struggle because he won't get those calls anymore. Maybe instead of driving into the lane and just letting the ball fly out of his hands to draw fouls he should just take it and drive it through someone to draw fouls instead of flailing like a puss then standing there arguing instead of getting back on defense. 

I'll take the word of all the current and former NBA players that said Harden will never win sheet because of his attitude, playing style and lifestyle. 

Embiid is gonna have a wasted MVP season because Morey had to have his butt buddy and that's the bottom line

Most of this is half truths and hearsay.

As Eagles previously noted, Harden’s first 5 games he shot 53% and 44%. Since then, he’s looked unathletic and abysmal.  

What’s more likely? He inexplicably fell off a cliff after a stellar first five games? Or is it that his hamstring, which has bother him the last two seasons, popped up again? Doesn’t help Doc is trotting him out there 40 minutes a night.

If you watch the games, it’s clear he has no lift in his shot and can barely jump even on a layup attempt. None of that was the case in the first 5 games. He’s playing through an injury.

 

/thread lol

I appreciate everyone’s passion but…

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I thought the hammy that he supposedly hurt was just an act so he wouldn't get hurt before he got traded to the sixers?? I mean he was running up and down steps after a game? 

The only ones saying he is hurt are the people on this board. I guess what ever makes people feel better about trading for that loser. Being terrible in big games has always been his thing 

I talked about the bench and role players and I was laughed out of here. Now people are losing their minds over how sheety the role players and bench is. 

Sure he plays a lot of minutes but that doesn't stop him from going out drinking after games for a soon to be 33 yrs old. No one seems to mind that even though that's probably another reason why he is declining so rapidly. 

Also have to take into account he can't get all the BS calls he used to get from throwing his body around like a moron to draw fouls. Rules that were created because of him and trae young.

A lot of people said Harden is going to struggle because he won't get those calls anymore. Maybe instead of driving into the lane and just letting the ball fly out of his hands to draw fouls he should just take it and drive it through someone to draw fouls instead of flailing like a puss then standing there arguing instead of getting back on defense. 

I'll take the word of all the current and former NBA players that said Harden will never win sheet because of his attitude, playing style and lifestyle. 

Embiid is gonna have a wasted MVP season because Morey had to have his butt buddy and that's the bottom line

This is completely false by you. Kyle neubeck and Derek bodner/Hoffman have been saying it since he was traded. They didn’t know how bad it was but bodner and hofman have routinely talked about it on their podcast when he was dealt here and have consistently said on tape they thought it was an issue prior to the trade. And the running up stairs according to both Pompey and bodner was due by the sixers medical staff to try with tightness after games and build up some strength (again i suggest listening to their podcast cause they have talked about it prior to the trade here about what they heard and saw on film when they watched) 

no one is disagreeing his issue has been being terrible in big games. However harden has been terrible shooting for over a month now. So was every game the sixers have played for a month all big games? yeah i don’t think so. Even when the sixers played extremely well in some games he was having issues.

Yes harden doesn’t take care of himself very well which is an issue now that he’s 32. However again I ask you to go look around the NBA and ask how many players for the month of March into April are playing 38 minutes a night? There really isn’t many besides him and embiid which comes down to the bench sucks and Doc Rivers is an idiot

When did I say the bench wasn’t good or laughed at you? I have routinely said since making that trade their bench wasn’t good enough and needed a true 6th man and scoring punch. The only one on that bench that is remotely somewhat consistent is niang. And frankly he should be your 7-8th guy not your sixth man. Additionally i am not a fan of harden for multiple reasons dating back to college. He wouldn’t have been the guy i would have went all in after (i preferred lillard if Portland ever made him available which they didn’t and he has his injuries but i think he actually tries to take care of his body unlike the stories with harden). I said that when they were discussing with houston the year prior when everyone was hopeful they’d deal ben then. That said they were going to waste embiid’s prime if they just continued forward not doing any trade this year cause curry has a ankle injury he’s fighting through (i think reported he needs surgery at the end of the year) and Drummond was gonna be fine but leave after the year when someone overpays him. And Simmons was never playing here again. So if they didn’t do this trade then they weren’t winning anything either. 

that said, if you wanna say they should’ve taken the haliburton, hield and Barnes deal for tobias and Simmons then i agree. I said when Halliburton got traded to the Pacers he is going to wind up being a star because he got to play under Rick Carlisle as his coach. So he was gonna get maximized. Additionally just to get rid of Tobias Harris and Ben Simmons to get him and buddy Hield would have made their lineup so much better especially with depth. I knew the sixers were never doing that trade though because they wanted a star just like when we go back to the stupid Al Horford signing. This is an organizational thing more than just Daryl Morey. The 76ers ownership particularly Michael Rubin (who is friends with James Harden) wanted a star. 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is completely false by you. Kyle neubeck and Derek bodner/Hoffman have been saying it since he was traded. They didn’t know how bad it was but bodner and hofman have routinely talked about it on their podcast when he was dealt here and have consistently said on tape they thought it was an issue prior to the trade. 

Ok I'm talking currently and after he sat out for how long. 

40 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Ok I'm talking currently and after he sat out for how long. 

since March 1st to now how many NBA players are playing 38 minutes a night? So the answer to that is 8 others. However harden has played 18 games. Only 4 others are playing that many mins and have played over 14 games during that stretch (garland, siakam, rj Barrett and Durant— Durant had too because they were trying to get out of the play in game and the rest are significantly younger and take better condition of themselves than harden).

So this is a problem for 3 reasons. 1. like you said harden doesn’t take very good care of himself in the off-season and off the court which at 32 is a significant problem at this stage of his career. 2. The Sixers don’t have a bench that can sustain  enough offense when he and embiid come off the floor for long stretches (some of this is Harris and bench being super inconsistent). 3. doc is stupid for playing him 38 mins a night when it’s obvious he’s either fallen completely off a cliff or he’s legitimately hurt and you can see it either way. I get the bench hurts doc but some of that is doc’s bad rotations to begin with. (Doc is dumb for also continuing to play embiid 36 mins a night since March 1st. Going to run him into the ground as well. Some of this is Jordan sucks but some is doc is dumb for not seeing what reed or bassey could do instead of millsap and Jordan)  

do i think harden was milking some of his injury to get off the nets? I do think used it to get off that team. but i also think he was fed up playing 38 mins a night on a bad hammy due to kyrie and his vaccination status and KD being hurt and he was forced to play more due to their depth issues, injuries and kyrie.

So harden sat for four games in December (associated with Covid) and was at 36 minutes a night before that. After that he went up to 38 minutes per night because KD got hurt and Kyrie wasn’t there every game. So Steve Nash is just as bad as Doc Rivers for playing him that many minutes in the regular season at 32 knowing he didn’t take great care of himself off the court. It is flirting with disaster even if he didn’t have some hammy issue. Even with siakam, garland and Barrett i wouldn’t be playing them 38 mins a night either during the regular season for over a month straight before the playoffs.  I get ramping up mins as the playoffs get closer to get him used to that many mins. But I’d slowly do it 2-3 weeks prior to playoffs not 6 weeks before. 

harden definitely deserves criticism for how he’s shooting over the last month and being an idiot for not taking better care of himself all these years. So do the sixers as an organization with how he’s looked and not realizing at 32 and needing a max contract there was too big of a risk. However Tobias Harris doing what we’ve seen him do for the majority of the time he’s been here the last 3 years. We want to talk about harden is  not being good in big games, Tobias Harris might be worse. He had 8 points last night and he’s healthy. How many times do I have to watch Tobias Harris come up small in a big game and  disappear? 

Maybe he reinjured it running up and down the WC steps after the game. 

Or after he just scored 32 points against the bucks where the broadcast team said Harden looks like himself again. 

Or maybe to many minutes makes his tummy hurt

13 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Maybe he reinjured it running up and down the WC steps after the game. 

Or after he just scored 32 points against the bucks where the broadcast team said Harden looks like himself again. 

Or maybe to many minutes makes his tummy hurt

Or maybe he can’t consistently do it game in and game out cause his hammy isn’t right and he’s an idiot for not taking care of himself all these years prior 

or maybe listen to hofman and bodner’s podcast that talked about what sixers told them about why they had him doing the stairs after the game with his hammy

Or maybe the sixers shouldn’t have played harden 40 mins in both games of the back to back ( do you understand how Fing dumb it is to play harden or really any player 40 mins on a back to back during the regular season… they were also dumb for playing embiid 39 and 38 mins in that back to back with his past)

or maybe tobias Harris who’s healthy should score more than 8 points in a game and not disappear like he has consistently done in most of our big moments for 3 years. To point out the last 2 games vs. Toronto harris has scored 5 and 8 points. That’s an average of 6.5 points for a guy making $38 mil. That’s not good enough either. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or maybe he can’t consistently do it game in and game out cause his hammy isn’t right and he’s an idiot for not taking care of himself all these years prior 

or maybe listen to hofman and bodner’s podcast that talked about what sixers told them about why they had him doing the stairs after the game with his hammy

Or maybe the sixers shouldn’t have played harden 40 mins in both games of the back to back ( do you understand how Fing dumb it is to play harden or really any player 40 mins on a back to back during the regular season)

or maybe tobias Harris who’s healthy should score more than 8 points in a game and not disappear like he has consistently in big games for 3 years. 

Or maybe don't trade for a guy who is already banged up and played a ton of minutes at 32 yrs old who notoriously doesn't take care of himself on a team that lacks any kind of depth to give him a night off or 2 

It is dumb to play him that much but no one is doing anything about it not doc not Morey not harden. 

Can't wait for the excuses for this guy next season. I've seen plenty of harden over the last 10 yrs to know his game. I can form my own OPINION on what is going on with him. I don't need to listen  to podcast and have someone else tell me their opinion on what is happening. They are probably Philly guys who are bias.  

 

i think most of us agree that they'd be lucky to make it past the 2nd round...the real question is...will their elimination be so tragic that it costs glenn his job and/or convinces the front office that harden isn't worth the max?  

 

 

22 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Or maybe don't trade for a guy who is already banged up and played a ton of minutes at 32 yrs old who notoriously doesn't take care of himself on a team that lacks any kind of depth to give him a night off or 2 

It is dumb to play him that much but no one is doing anything about it not doc not Morey not harden. 

Can't wait for the excuses for this guy next season. I've seen plenty of harden over the last 10 yrs to know his game. I can form my own OPINION on what is going on with him. I don't need to listen  to podcast and have someone else tell me their opinion on what is happening. They are probably Philly guys who are bias.  

 

I don’t disagree don’t trade for a guy like harden to begin with. I said that last year when they were trying to pull that trade off with the rockets. (I was fine and even a little juiced when we made that deal because at that point it was basically harden or no one til the offseason once Halliburton got dealt). However this comes back to Michael Rubin, ownership and morey wanting a star. It’s well known Rubin is really good friends with James Harden. I think people think believe this is just all Daryl Morey. I think Daryl Morey is big part of it but people forget Rubin is very good friends with James Harden before this trade. So this is not just Daryl Morey, this is a whole organization that coveted harden. Star hunting isn’t the issue.  it’s star hunting the wrong older delcining players that’s come back to bite the sixers in the butt  

Bodner and Hoffman might be the two best reporters in city because they say it like it is and don’t BS. You can make up any opinion you want, however it’s not nearly as informed as a Derek Bodner who went and talked to people in the Brooklyn Nets organization, talk to people inside the Sixers organization and people around the NBA prior to that trade going down. the week and a half leading up to it he discussed it every single one of them told him he has declined from what he was in houston. but he also went into there was a legitimate issue going on with his hamstring.

22 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i think most of us agree that they'd be lucky to make it past the 2nd round...the real question is...will their elimination be so tragic that it costs glenn his job and/or convinces the front office that harden isn't worth the max?  

 

 

That's why I said I'm not looking for the easiest path/seeding.

I'd prefer a hard road this year.  If they are what we hoped they'd be,  they'll win 

But if they're not,  it needs to be made abundantly clear to stubborn FO execs who would be hesitant to make a major change. 

 

I think doc is out easily because Morey will want Dantoni. But it'll be really tough to get Morey to let Harden walk.

i actually agree with bodner’s take and info for weeks now. That harden is definitely not what he was in houston and has decline. Can he still be a good player in this league? Yeah but not mvp level player or top 10 like he was in houston. However the problem is we won’t know how much of a decline it is until next year when he presumably should have his hammy at or closer to 100%. Again why I’ve said their best shot at a time was always 2022-23 assuming harden is closer to 2020-21 harden and they fix bench, coaching issues. Ideally wouldn’t pay harden that max until you see him next year to determine his decline. But he knows if the sixers do that it’s going to cause a circus and issues. 

I also agree with his view that harden first hurt his hamstring nearly a year ago in the playoffs and it still was hampering him. the Sixers should’ve asked why is this still an issue when it happened in May and it’s now February (some of this is likely harden is an idiot for not taking better care of his body especially as he got older). if it is still an issue til now then it might have been a bigger long term issue before just committing to that trade, strictly wanting harden and going all in. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's why I said I'm not looking for the easiest path/seeding.

I'd prefer a hard road this year.  If they are what we hoped they'd be,  they'll win 

But if they're not,  it needs to be made abundantly clear to stubborn FO execs who would be hesitant to make a major change. 

 

I think doc is out easily because Morey will want Dantoni. But it'll be really tough to get Morey to let Harden walk.

there were rumors before we hired doc at the end of the Brett brown era with d’antoni. the sixers liked d’antoni with the previous FO structure so feels like this runs higher than just the FO. I think it’s morey and 76ers ownership want d’antoni. I think he’s basically just doc rivers but with a different set of issues. I think it’ll blow up in their face cause i don’t see d’antoni and how he likes to play meshing with this current team. 

I also don’t think it’s just morey who won’t let harden walk away. It’s Rubin who’s close with harden. So it makes it harder when you have two guys close with harden that skew how they view him due to their relationships with him. 

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's why I said I'm not looking for the easiest path/seeding.

I'd prefer a hard road this year.  If they are what we hoped they'd be,  they'll win 

But if they're not,  it needs to be made abundantly clear to stubborn FO execs who would be hesitant to make a major change. 

 

I think doc is out easily because Morey will want Dantoni. But it'll be really tough to get Morey to let Harden walk.

Imagine harden trying to run a 7 sec offense another year older. I also don't see Embiid staying this healthy for another season.