if they max out harden, i'm expecting a major roster rebuild with them bringing in catch & shoot guys and lob finishers in place of the shakes, korks, etc. 

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i never said he did. i said he's been more of a distributor since leaving houston...because he has. 

 

some people think he has. Have seen it in other 6ers discussions. Gotta keep is straight. 

 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

if they max out harden, i'm expecting a major roster rebuild with them bringing in catch & shoot guys and lob finishers in place of the shakes, korks, etc. 

I think they can still use that other big scorer. Someone different than Harden, not washed up but who can do that kind of thing. Would look to trade Tobi for those kinds of guys to fill out the rest of the lineup though. 

Could have started that process off with the Simmons trade but everyone else wanted the star. Could have taken the Kings deal then too. But nope... 

But its still possible to do it that way. Harden in a sign and trade for Beal should work, and then Tobi for the pieces that fit. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

if they max out harden, i'm expecting a major roster rebuild with them bringing in catch & shoot guys and lob finishers in place of the shakes, korks, etc. 

Hey im fine if they ship off kork and even shake. Hell even tobias

i'm thinking they'll try to move tobi & will most likely have to include thybulle to get a team to take him. 

That's good.  Thybulle is just about at the end of his rope here anyway. 

You can find a 3 and D guy who is slightly worse defensively than Thybulle but 3 times better on offense. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's good.  Thybulle is just about at the end of his rope here anyway. 

I agree. But who can we get?

20 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I agree. But who can we get?

No idea. 

My probably ideal while trying to be somewhat realistic idea is trade Harris for Julius Randle. I think he provides that scoring and shot creating ability while also being an absolute perfect fit with Embiid who can stretch the floor well. AND play D. 

I believe you may be able to get him because NY was up and coming, committed big money to him and added some guards and somehow got worse. They got a washed Kemba, old D Rose, Fournier.... they can use Thybulle's D on that team. 

A deal that works on the trade machine would be something like

Harris and Thybulle for Randle and Burks. 

 

 

I also have a hunch that quietly a team may be able to snag one of LeBron, Donovan Mitchell, or Jimmy Butler this year. But those pie in the sky scenarios would more likely involved a Harden sign and trade. Not a Harris trade. 

 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No idea. 

My probably ideal while trying to be somewhat realistic idea is trade Harris for Julius Randle. I think he provides that scoring and shot creating ability while also being an absolute perfect fit with Embiid who can stretch the floor well. AND play D. 

I believe you may be able to get him because NY was up and coming, committed big money to him and added some guards and somehow got worse. They got a washed Kemba, old D Rose, Fournier.... they can use Thybulle's D on that team. 

A deal that works on the trade machine would be something like

Harris and Thybulle for Randle and Burks. 

 

 

I also have a hunch that quietly a team may be able to snag one of LeBron, Donovan Mitchell, or Jimmy Butler this year. But those pie in the sky scenarios would more likely involved a Harden sign and trade. Not a Harris trade. 

 

Rumors are Randle is pulling a Harden by playing like sheet to get off the team. I'm not against Randle, actually like him but would suck to get another guy with that attitude when things don't go his way. 

We need a miracle.  We need to win enough games but not too many games and hope for the right teams to lose so we can play the Bulls and potentially avoid Toronto or Nets.

37 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Rumors are Randle is pulling a Harden by playing like sheet to get off the team. I'm not against Randle, actually like him but would suck to get another guy with that attitude when things don't go his way. 

I think things would go just fine here with Randle and Embiid, Maxey, and whatever you can get for Harden.

 

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think things would go just fine here with Randle and Embiid, Maxey, and whatever you can get for Harden.

 

They won't move Harden though, at least I don't think they would. 

Trade for Randle spacing dissappears. One of the guys would have to stand at the 3 point line and play my turn, your turn style basketball. 

Harris has an absolute miserable of a contract and he is nothing more than a 4th guy on a title team. 

9 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Trade for Randle spacing dissappears. One of the guys would have to stand at the 3 point line and play my turn, your turn style basketball. 

Harris has an absolute miserable of a contract and he is nothing more than a 4th guy on a title team. 

Randle can provide just as much spacing as Harris.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Randle can provide just as much spacing as Harris.

 Randle is a career 33% 3P shooter vs 36% for Harris, a below average defender, is best with iso ball facing the basket on the left side.

Biggest red flag is his best year, last year, is when he was due for a contract extension. 

He was the king of NYC last year and now he is flicking off the fans at Madison Square Garden. I'm sure he can't handle the mentality for Philly. 

I would look at a lead guard that can take some of the responsibility from Harden and make a play at Tyus Jones. Not sure can afford him but he is a winning basketball player, 4/1 assist to TO ratio, excellent at getting to the paint with one of the best floaters in the league, and career 35% 3P shooter. 

Morey needs to find pieces that fit Embiid, but unfortunately he is a star chaser. I'm in the camp that Embiid can carry a team to a title if have shooters around him and a coach that knows what he is doing. 

18 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I would look at a lead guard that can take some of the responsibility from Harden and make a play at Tyus Jones. Not sure can afford him but he is a winning basketball player, 4/1 assist to TO ratio, excellent at getting to the paint with one of the best floaters in the league, and career 35% 3P shooter. 

Morey needs to find pieces that fit Embiid, but unfortunately he is a star chaser. I'm in the camp that Embiid can carry a team to a title if have shooters around him and a coach that knows what he is doing. 

would love Jones. 

Paul Reed looking good. The young guys running the second unit with all that speed and energy. 

4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I would look at a lead guard that can take some of the responsibility from Harden and make a play at Tyus Jones. Not sure can afford him but he is a winning basketball player, 4/1 assist to TO ratio, excellent at getting to the paint with one of the best floaters in the league, and career 35% 3P shooter. 

Morey needs to find pieces that fit Embiid, but unfortunately he is a star chaser. I'm in the camp that Embiid can carry a team to a title if have shooters around him and a coach that knows what he is doing. 

I think the move that’s going to be made is dealing Harris to help build up depth and put pieces that fit around embiid and harden better. i like tobias the person, but he disappears to frequently against better opponents and in playoff games. If he ever became a consistent 3rd option in those games it would greatly benefit the sixers. They could focus on just trying to acquire a wing 3D starter (very tough to find) as green is close to done (although tip of my cap to him the last to games he’s started he’s been very affective) and thybulle still can’t shoot consistently. Then revamp the bench with adding 2 guys to go with niang and thybulle. 

this offseason is critical cause i think next year is likely their best chance to try and win a title. Embiid and harden (him especially) you don’t know what you are gonna get after 2022-23. They need a great offseason not like 2019 where brand and company completely botched it 

Danny Green needs to start and Thybulle off the bench, regardless of whether we play Toronto or not. 

Joel should still win MVP

Harden needed rest. So Doc plays him the entire 1st and he ends up playing 39 minutes. This is anti-load management. 

I think Ja may get some minutes for the Grizzlies tomorrow vs the Celtics. I will bet Tatum and Brown play for the Celtics to win and avoid the 4th seed to play the Raports in the 1st round. 

Sixers play the Pistons who should play guys off the street. 

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the move that’s going to be made is dealing Harris to help build up depth and put pieces that fit around embiid and harden better. i like tobias the person, but he disappears to frequently against better opponents and in playoff games. If he ever became a consistent 3rd option in those games it would greatly benefit the sixers. They could focus on just trying to acquire a wing 3D starter (very tough to find) as green is close to done (although tip of my cap to him the last to games he’s started he’s been very affective) and thybulle still can’t shoot consistently. Then revamp the bench with adding 2 guys to go with niang and thybulle. 

this offseason is critical cause i think next year is likely their best chance to try and win a title. Embiid and harden (him especially) you don’t know what you are gonna get after 2022-23. They need a great offseason not like 2019 where brand and company completely botched it 

What is fair value for Tobias at this stage in his career? 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I think Ja may get some minutes for the Grizzlies tomorrow vs the Celtics. I will bet Tatum and Brown play for the Celtics to win and avoid the 4th seed to play the Raports in the 1st round. 

Sixers play the Pistons who should play guys off the street. 

What is fair value for Tobias at this stage in his career? 

tbh not sure. His contract at the moment sucks (really this offseason it’s not great) and someone has to really think he can be a 3rd option on a championship team which i don’t know how someone talks himself into that. But then again i didn’t think a team would be dumb enough to trade for westbrook and give up what they did either (not saying that package was outstanding but i wouldn’t have touched Westbrook with his contract and game at this stage)

His contract becomes more palatable for a team at the trade deadline as it becomes a couple months until it’s an expiring contract. Think the biggest question is who is going to be in that market for him. i guess maybe a team like atlanta who likely misses the playoffs and maybe believes Harris can be a good leader in that locker room. I would say based off contract there’s a better chance he’d be moved at the trade deadline or 2023 offseason but i think morey makes the move this offseason if the sixers flop