33 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

So one argument is that there would be less need for tax credits and other tax payer funded safety nets if the employers paid higher wages.  I don't know what your background it but poverty is pretty bad for anyone living in poverty.  Certainly there are people who could work their way out of poverty but there's a lot of people that get trapped in it due to circumstances out of their control.  

I don't really disagree with any of this.

  I was just showing that in reality, less than 1% of the population actually earns the minimum wage.  (And a good portion of that 1% make the equivalent of (close to) double that when considering the benefits many would receive at that level)

It's a pretty extensive topic/debate and something that is better dealt with in CVON.  

But yes, I agree, there are valid points on both sides of the argument.

And no, I am certainly NOT saying that living below the poverty level is easy.  Most of the previous generation of my family grew up in a poverty stricken, post WWII Italy.  They had to work day and night just to put food on the table (In as close to the literal sense as possible).

 

 

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Tell it to the Germans, the Dutch and the Scandinavians - all as capitalist (private ownership) as America. All with far more comprehensive social safety nets.

More expensive beer, fewer homeless. TANSTAAFL.

 

Go live there then. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Light at the end of the tunnel. 🥳. The parties that will happen once this is all over. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Go live there then. 

Rather make America great. 

20 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Germany is 83M people. here are the taxes:

 

 

Yeah, my dream is to live some place I have to pay 50-70 percent of my paycheck to the government. Screw that. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Light at the end of the tunnel. 🥳. The parties that will happen once this is all over. 

Rather make America great. 

It is great. Problem is people keep trying to F it up. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Great. How long do the antibodies last? The ones from the virus might only last a month or two. 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

The overall consensus is that they'll end up going with one preseason game, per Schefter. 

I don't understand the need to test every day. NBA tested players every other day before coming to the bubble. I would feel like that's sufficient enough. 

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Germany is 83M people. here are the taxes:

 

 

I don't know that we need more individual income taxes for most individuals.  Maybe we could adjust corporate tax rates for companies that  Maybe we just don't need to have the largest and most expensive military in the world.  Maybe we could legalize recreational drugs and limit criminal punishment. Maybe we could fairly protect property rights of individuals.  

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s bull ish.   Daily testing should be done.  Make it happen or no season.  Period.  End of story.  

I agree 

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The overall consensus is that they'll end up going with one preseason game, per Schefter. 

I don't understand the need to test every day. NBA tested players every other day before coming to the bubble. I would feel like that's sufficient enough. 

I mean the risk is greater when your roster is 90 players. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know that we need more individual income taxes for most individuals.  Maybe we could adjust corporate tax rates for companies that  Maybe we just don't need to have the largest and most expensive military in the world.  Maybe we could legalize recreational drugs and limit criminal punishment. Maybe we could fairly protect property rights of individuals.  

Or maybe we could cut out the BS entitlement programs and teach people to be self sufficient instead of making them reliant on handouts to keep them voting a certain way. Some people need a net, but we are way past this. People keep talking about Europe. Do you know what they have? Vocational programs in schools and mentor programs. Stop dumping money into failed schools and teach people a freaking skill like plumbing, building, etc. The answer isn't more taxes. The answer is the same as a family member who's having hard times. Take them in, help them, but you wouldn't let them live off you forever. You'd tell them to get a freaking job after a point unless they had a serious disability or other serious issues. We shouldn't act any different. 

21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Go live there then. 

They won’t let us in. We’re a danger to the world.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

 

 

Or maybe we could cut out the BS entitlement programs and teach people to be self sufficient instead of making them reliant on handouts to keep them voting a certain way. Some people need a net, but we are way past this. People keep talking about Europe. Do you know what they have? Vocational programs in schools and mentor programs. Stop dumping money into failed schools and teach people a freaking skill like plumbing, building, etc. The answer isn't more taxes. The answer is the same as a family member who's having hard times. Take them in, help them, but you wouldn't let them live off you forever. You'd tell them to get a freaking job after a point unless they had a serious disability or other serious issues. We shouldn't act any different. 

Herbert Hoover, is that you?

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Great. How long do the antibodies last? The ones from the virus might only last a month or two. 

The T cell response was noted within 14 days of receiving the vaccine. This immune response was detected for at least 56 days after getting the shot, though it's unclear how long it will last.

https://apple.news/A6GMn71BbRp2ll5BbhwnGmg

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The T cell response was noted within 14 days of receiving the vaccine. This immune response was detected for at least 56 days after getting the shot, though it's unclear how long it will last.

https://apple.news/A6GMn71BbRp2ll5BbhwnGmg

Side note as I downloaded the app to read the article...but the app asked me if I wanted personalized news and that is the worst idea for news. All of these apps should remove it. 

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Dude.  Come on.  There’s actual sports to discuss.  This slippery slope leads to the third rail.  That’s two metaphors in one sentence.  That should show you I mean business.  Buster.  

Do I start these topics? I hear you, but when I walk into a room and people are saying we need to raise taxes for entitlements to take care of people I'm going to call BS. How did that even get started? 

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The T cell response was noted within 14 days of receiving the vaccine. This immune response was detected for at least 56 days after getting the shot, though it's unclear how long it will last.

https://apple.news/A6GMn71BbRp2ll5BbhwnGmg

Interesting. Curious as to why those antibodies could potentially last longer than people who've actually had it? 

14 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Is anyone else starting to really hate all professional athletes...even the ones that we like the most?  The entire country from minimum wage workers to business owners have sacrificed for 6 months now.  

If this whole thing has taught me one thing it's that professional athletes, Hollywood stars, TV personalities, government officials and musicians have no grasp on reality compared to the rest of the country and no longer should they be looked up to as heros.  No more idolizing these guys because they have athletic ability or can make us laugh and so on.  We've had to watch commercials with NFL players in their mansions telling us to stay home, watch Hollywood stars sing a Beatles song and listen to the talking heads and our government talk down to us.  I'm over it.  I'm over sports.  I'll be happy when things are back to normal but I'm not sitting here counting down the days until TC starts or excited about MLB or the NBA. 

Give me my family, good food and our health and the rest will work out. Goodness, rant over.

If this was medieval times they'd be jesters

14 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not really. I’m actually kinda surprised how many people take the side of billionaire owners over millionaire athletes who work there a** off to get to where they did 

So none of the billionaires worked their a** off to get where they are?

Also both are making more than the average fan

13 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

So you’re mad at the athletes to defend the billionaire owners? Not every player is Mahomes, a lot of guys aren’t making a million dollars.

Lowest income for a player is $480k. That's still a lot and plenty to live on

58 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Good lord - you act as if no one has a grasp on reality but you.  Should we move back to a system of private toll roads or was the investment in public highways good for the country.  Let's end public transportation.  Every scientific study shows the long-term benefit of a strong and early public education system but yeah it's expensive. God forbid we pay teachers too much.  Should police and fire departments be pay as you go too.  I mean why even have a fire department. It just costs my money and I have never had a fire at my house.  

 

You can have all those things without wasting valuable resources. They are services to the public not employment plans

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Interesting. Curious as to why those antibodies could potentially last longer than people who've actually had it? 

There are a few vaccines that produce a stronger immune response than the disease itself. It can be related to the nature of the target/natural pathogen defences, the viral load needed for an infection, helper target proteins designed in the vaccine to improve antigen binding etc. So it wouldn't be unprecedented.  A lot more studies would be needed to really compare the responses though. 

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So none of the billionaires worked their a** off to get where they are?

At no point did I even insinuate that. 

3 hours ago, greend said:

Meet my new Grandson

Isaiah Lee greend

Congrats. 

21 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

You can have all those things without wasting valuable resources. They are services to the public not employment plans

I think your idea of what is wasting a resource and mine are not the same.  

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

 

Or maybe we could cut out the BS entitlement programs and teach people to be self sufficient instead of making them reliant on handouts to keep them voting a certain way. Some people need a net, but we are way past this. People keep talking about Europe. Do you know what they have? Vocational programs in schools and mentor programs. Stop dumping money into failed schools and teach people a freaking skill like plumbing, building, etc. The answer isn't more taxes. The answer is the same as a family member who's having hard times. Take them in, help them, but you wouldn't let them live off you forever. You'd tell them to get a freaking job after a point unless they had a serious disability or other serious issues. We shouldn't act any different. 

I'm all for cutting out bs entitlements. I mean why should we be subsidizing farms to the tune of $25 billion dollars a year.  I mean there are about $100 billion a year spent in Federal corporate subsidies and that doesn't include things like bank and airline bailouts.  The education system is too heavily invested in standardized testing based standards.  In large part, education interest groups have pushed this type of spending.  It does not lead to jobs and better trained students.