20 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Except, of course, that Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh got drafted literally the next year...

One of the most overrated WR's ever...look at his YPC and usage.  He had great hands and that's about it.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Didn't you hear Cuomo?  If you want to work just get an essential job, it's THAT easy.  🙄

Boo politics!

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don’t draft someone in the 3rd round who needs to "figure out how to play football”.  Not with the holes this team had/has.  
 

ST ace. Ok.  

Yea, for all of those people saying the Eagles got a steal here...the guy needs to learn how to play football.  I would rather have seen them take Akeem Davis-Gaither, who went with the 1st pick in the 4th round.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Let’s talk about Hurts.  I was on record against him as a third rounder because he seems to be a one read and throw guy.  (And that was in the third).   I did firmly believe the Eagles needed a QB in this draft.  That said, I think the Hurts pick and what they did with Foles and, to some degree, McCown is informative.   When Carson was out at the beginning of 2018 and Foley’s was playing in the Carson offense, he didn’t look very good.  Nick seems to need the RPO to best read the defense.  McCown couldn’t play like Carson.  He just didn’t have the arm anymore.  Now Carson had to adjust this season as his starting WRs went out.  It was obvious some movement helps him.  Some of the best throws he had last season weren’t from the pocket.    I think we will see some modifications in the Carson offense to see more movement.  
So who might fit better in a relief role?   Nothing excites me about Sudfeld.  Hurts can throw a good long and intermediate ball, so he shares that with Carson.  I have to believe the draft this year targeted WRs that excel in those routes.  Hurts is a zone read and run guy.  McCown needed to run against Seattle and couldn’t.   I believe Hurts can.  He is not Lamar Jackson.  Doesn’t need to be.  They won’t be installing the Ravens offense.  He might do better in a simpler version of the Carson offense with some tweaks though.  TEW had it right.  A backup QB that wins a few games may be more valuable to the Eagles in terms of wins that other players available in the second at 53.  

And a starter at any other position that helps to win games on a regular basis would be more valuable yet

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Since I shave my head I do not feel your pain. My wife does, however, and bemoans the lack of manicure and pedicure even more.

Then trim your toe nails you neanderthal  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, for all of those people saying the Eagles got a steal here...the guy needs to learn how to play football.  I would rather have seen them take Akeem Davis-Gaither, who went with the 1st pick in the 4th round.  

I think Taylor shows better coverage in man than Davis-Gaither.  Both of their low points are pretty similar otherwise. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

103 is barely in the third round. Who would you have taken at that point?

As of pick 100, you're getting one of the following

- Talented players who have character issues
- Talented players who have health concerns
- Unathletic, productive and polished players
- Athletic, unproductive and unpolished players

The Eagles picked the 4th option. We could pick Rasul Douglas, who is in bucket #3. Then we complain about his lack of athleticism when it shows up in games. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just shave it off. It feels great and most guys are able to pull it off and not look completely awkward. 

I’ve been doing it for a few years now and I have to say, I think I have a nicely shaped head.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think Taylor shows better coverage in man than Davis-Gaither.  Both of their low points are pretty similar otherwise. 

Weidl specifically mentioned how good Taylor covered during drills at the Senior Bowl. 

1 hour ago, Matt03785 said:

I hope you're joking

This is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard

This team should've won multiple Super Bowls without that Clown Kelly.  

 

Haven’t read many of his posts, have you?

33 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Their arrogance is going to be their downfall.  Got cute with the Goedert pick (presumably they did just to take him from the Cowboys) and now this one.  I’m still suspicious they drafted Hurts to hoard him for when some other team gets desperate down the toad for a QB. Hence the term "QB factory”.  
 

And before anyone flips out.  Goedert is a good player.  Relax.  

The Eagles didn’t use their top pick on Goedert just to keep him from Dallas. They traded in front of Dallas because they really wanted him and thought Dallas might take him. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

And a starter at any other position that helps to win games on a regular basis would be more valuable yet

At 53, I am not sure that player was clearly there.  My pick was Davis, S.   He fell past Chin, which surprised me.  (Chin is a gamble.) I am not unhappy with Wallace in the fourth. I figured Davis and Wallace and the Eagles are set at S for a long time but Davis sits behind McLeod for now.  Maybe Gay or Wilson but I did not have them graded near that high and both have questions.  None of the Ts or RBs are starting on the Eagles.  Just no to Mims who I doubt is a starter anytime soon and a potential washout. I don’t like Fulton.  So TEW may well be right.  

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Or they just continue to roll with Sudfeld or a vet bacup and use the 2nd on a player with starting potential.  The Jags got MInshew in what the 6th round last year?  I think Anthony Gordon is a better prospect than him and he went undrafted.  

Getting a 2nd round pick in no way makes it a stellar pick.  The ONLY way it's a stellar pick is if Carson Wentz gets hurt and Hurts comes in and lights the world on fire.  Then the eagles have the dilemma of rolling with Hurts as the future or banking on Wentz coming back healthy...again.  In this scenario, they decide Wentz is damaged goods, they trade him for a high pick and commit to Hurts as the future QB of the Eagles.  They then have 3 more years of a rookie quarterback deal which allows them to spend in other areas.  You bring in JuJu to play along Reagor.  You sign an up and coming center and a young DE. 

 

Footnote, the above scenario is not what I want to happen at all. It's just one way that you can justify the pick being successful.  I want Carson Wentz as this teams quarterback and leader for the next 7-10 years. 

I’m not sure what’s going on with Sudfeld but it’s somewhat obvious the Eagles want to go in a different direction (eventually) or else they wouldn’t of signed McCown last season nor would they have just drafted Hurts.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

Completely disagree. You just get back what you spent and in the mean time you also didn't pick a player of need. Now if you get back a first then barely maybe

Yup

Yes, you are getting back what you spent but you are getting a QB on a rookie deal for 4 years.  It’s  the same thing as getting an almost 0% loan for 4 years.  
 

It’s like this:  Sign a vet backup for 8 mil. per year...costs you 32 million over 4 years.  Vs a 2nd round pick rookie contract that costs what?  Less than 6 mil over 4 years?  So you’re saving 26 million (or more) in cap space  and you are getting back what he cost you in terms of draft capital.  Seems like a great deal to me if works out that way.

And if he comes in and wins some games for us then that deal not only costs the team next to nothing  but it will end up paying dividends.   Win-win situation. 
 

 

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

At 53, I am not sure that player was clearly there.  My pick was Davis, S.   He fell past Chin, which surprised me.  (Chin is a gamble.) I am not unhappy with Wallace in the fourth. I figured Davis and Wallace and the Eagles are set at S for a long time but Davis sits behind McLeod for now.  Maybe Gay or Wilson but I did not have them graded near that high and both have questions.  None of the Ts or RBs are starting on the Eagles.  Just no to Mims who I doubt is a starter anytime soon and a potential washout. I don’t like Fulton.  So TEW may well be right.  

I would have taken Mims. 

 

Just now, greend said:

I would have taken Mims. 

There were probably 30 guys I would have wanted over Hurts. 

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A real linebacker.  Or a corner. Or a project DE. Which is certainly more valuable than a project lb.  

There were no DEs worth taking in the third or fourth. At LB, you have Gaithersburg-Davis, who I had with a similar grade to Taylor. The other LBs in the fourth, Walker, Dye and Quarterman.  Which of those is a "real linebacker”?   Do you really think Holmes, Robinson, Pride, Robertson or Reid are better than CBs currently on the Eagles roster?  I had Robertson and Reid on my board but projected both would be available at our fourth round comp picks.  Frankly, you just sound like you want to complain rather than realistically answer who you think projects as a better selection.   

7 minutes ago, greend said:

I would have taken Mims. 

We’ll see about him.  Just not a fan. 

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It’s a hell of a lot more realistic than what some people are spouting about it in here.  Including you.  

I didn't spout anything.  I just said whats done is done and I'm on to hoping it turns into a great draft.

1 hour ago, Matt03785 said:

This is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard

It will be, until you read his next post, then the one after that.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Who are you guys talking about, BTW?  

The troll Shocker

Not Eagles related but say MLB comes back and this were to happen.  What would the response be?  Be smart, pull those 6 people out to quarantine for 14 days (which is what you do with infected people, not healthy). or would they panic and cancel the season?  If you ask me, 6 out of 750 people pretty darn good.  What if this was the NBA, NFL, NHL?  

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Where did you have him on your "board"....

You're interesting.   You ride BigE for saying board.  Meanwhile you  write extensively and passionately about the draft position of Reagor, Hurts, and Taylor, which strongly implies you have, minimally, a board of some kind rattling around in your universe of realism.

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

There were no DEs worth taking in the third or fourth. At LB, you have Gaithersburg-Davis, who I had with a similar grade to Taylor. The other LBs in the fourth, Walker, Dye and Quarterman.  Which of those is a "real linebacker”?   Do you really think Holmes, Robinson, Pride, Robertson or Reid are better than CBs currently on the Eagles roster?  I had Robertson and Reid on my board but projected both would be available at our fourth round comp picks.  Frankly, you just sound like you want to complain rather than realistically answer who you think projects as a better selection.   

The Cowboys took Bradlee Anae out of Utah in the 5th who I think is a steal at that slot.  Would have loved to see the Eagles take him in the 4th.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wow.  You have a "board"?  Where do you get one of those?  

Some of us do put together a board pre draft. Players we think will fit the Eagles. Tommy calls his a value board.  I was surprised to see he had Hurts on his.  (Wasn’t on mine.). So you didn’t, that’s your prerogative.  I tried to engage you about who you preferred. I got BS complaining about picks and "should have done better” without consideration as to which player would have been a better pick.  You chose to call that realism.  I call it fantasy.   I have my concerns about Taylor.  I shared those earlier.  But any pick at 103 is going to have some flaws  Heck, wasteam thinks they replaced their Pro Bowl LT with a guy I had rated as a potential back up swing tackle just a few picks later. 

1 hour ago, Giddyunc said:

So, despite saying that that no one would look to a comedian for policy advice, that's exactly what you ended up doing. 

Not at all.  In fact, I've been saying these things for weeks, don't see how they are going to make it work.  Been trying to find any evidence of a sensible plan which might allow them to return to actual games with or without fans and do it safely (other than just repeating the phrases, "social distancing" and "adhering to safety guidelines") that won't result in starting over again based on new infection - like Germany last week.

Just found it interesting Oliver did a show on it.  Thought the Gritty stuff was funny, too.