1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In other news... the wife has just green lighted this:

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Char-Griller-Texas-Trio-3-Burner-Dual-Fuel-Grill-with-Smoker-in-Black-3070/302624342

Someone tell me why I should get it... and someone else tell me why I shouldn't.     Price point is $400.

It has wheels, get it !!!

;)

34 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Maybe then you should be asking why history isn't being taught. 

 History that is being taught to kids from AP history on down is using text books approved by state boards of education each with their own bias. That’s not even history lite.  It is prejudiced and slanted.  History always has been slanted. You have to delve into documents from the time, understanding their biases to get a feel for the truth. The stuff in public school is probably 25% slanted, 25% superficial without background, 25% propagandized and 20% factually deficient and 5% true. Afan, JR and I may be the best read in history on the Blog although I suspect Desertbirds might give us a run.  We would all tell you that we have our own filters as we study and learn. I suspect we would all tell you what I feel everyday, my opinion and understanding changes every moment I ponder and learn new information. History isn’t taught, it’s learned. 

I just read my fellow York County’s poster missive on the Confederate Flag.  First, the Stars and Bars was a battle flag and not the flag of the rebellious nation. Second, my wife’s family fought on both sides but she has more ancestor’s fighting for the South.  None of her close relatives could tell you what I know about their participation. My great great grandfather (I cherish every memory I have with my great grandfather) fought for the North. I can tell you where, every battle, his unit. My wife’s relatives can’t do that. Southern pride, bunk. The Confederate flag means segregation, oppression and racism to them as much as it does to me, just some of them think that’s alright. 

59 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is exactly what it is.  Small back yard. 

 

It has a charcoal side box for the heating and placing of the hardwood chips... and you put the meat you are smoking into the 'middle' chamber.  

 

Do you own a fire pit or even a table top barbecue pit?  Go to Home Depot. Right now they still have bags of Applewood, Mesquite, Hickory.  Also get yourself a load of oak. I sometimes use maple to as it gives a good smoke flavor. Burn that wood down to coals instead of charcoal and use that to feed that smoker, maybe with some hardwood charcoal and some soaked large chips to extend the wood. See how that works on a slow cook smoke. Excited for you. 

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Anyone who wants to smoke meat i'll be happy tp donate oak or hickory free of charge

Send it my way. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In other news... the wife has just green lighted this:

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Char-Griller-Texas-Trio-3-Burner-Dual-Fuel-Grill-with-Smoker-in-Black-3070/302624342

Someone tell me why I should get it... and someone else tell me why I shouldn't.     Price point is $400.

Congrats on the green light from the wife!  That’s 90% of the battle! 

I was going to buy a similar grill and debated it for months.   But I realized that I would need to move it out of my covered patio area every time I used it to prevent the ceiling of the patio from getting smoke damage.  Those grills are pretty heavy and it’s just not something that should be moved around every time you grill. 
 

So I decided to go with the classic....

 

22 inch Classic Weber Kettle grill and I’m really enjoying it.   I never owned one but my dad did when we were growing up.  I never realized how hot they get, especially when using lump hardwood charcoal.  I’ve never owned either a charcoal or gas grill that gets as hot as this.   Seers 1 inch thick steaks a perfect medium in about 7-8 minutes, 4 minutes per side.   
 

I’ve owned gas grills 3x as expensive and this one beats them all....for taste, seering ability, and overall grilling experience.  Not to mention the fact that if I remember correctly, my Dad’s must have lasted a good 10 years without rusting...and that’s a rarity nowadays.  They still make these Webers in the US and back them with a 10 year warranty, which is unheard of nowadays for grills.   If you change your mind and decide to go the simple route, I highly recommend one, you pretty much can’t go wrong.   I do miss the side tables that gas grills have so I ordered myself a nice 6 foot black folding table to set the food up.  I got the table and the grill for less than $200.  Can’t beat it. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Do you own a fire pit or even a table top barbecue pit?  Go to Home Depot. Right now they still have bags of Applewood, Mesquite, Hickory.  Also get yourself a load of oak. I sometimes use maple to as it gives a good smoke flavor. Burn that wood down to coals instead of charcoal and use that to feed that smoker, maybe with some hardwood charcoal and some soaked large chips to extend the wood. See how that works on a slow cook smoke. Excited for you. 

Send it my way. 

What if I bought Hardwood charcoal premade?   Not sure I want to take the time to make my own charcoal.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Anyone who wants to smoke meat i'll be happy tp donate oak or hickory free of charge

Do you deliver?   lol 

 

53 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Mint is unbelievable.  It's almost unstoppable.

 

So is catnip, a relative. I have both. Cats love it and there smell seems to discourage the rabbits 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What if I bought Hardwood charcoal premade?   Not sure I want to take the time to make my own charcoal.

Do you deliver?   lol 

 

You can get 34 lbs bags of good quality lump hardwood charcoal from BJ’s wholesale club for $16.99 on sale or $19.99 regular price.  It’s Frontier brand and it’s the best charcoal I’ve ever used.   Considering the fact that you would probably pay close to $40 for a similar sized bag for this type of hardwood charcoal, you can get your membership cost back after buying a bag.  (If you search online, Groupon, etc you can typically get a 1 year membership to BJ’s for around $25 instead of $50 or $60)

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

You can get 34 lbs bags of good quality lump hardwood charcoal from BJ’s wholesale club for $16.99 on sale or $19.99 regular price.  It’s Frontier brand and it’s the best charcoal I’ve ever used.   Considering the fact that you would probably pay close to $40 for a similar sized bag for this type of hardwood charcoal, you can get your membership cost back after buying a bag.  (If you search online, Groupon, etc you can typically get a 1 year membership to BJ’s for around $25 instead of $50 or $60)

 

Thanks.   There's a BJ's about a mile from my house, but it never seemed worth while to me to get a membership.  THAT might just tip the balances.

30 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

 History that is being taught to kids from AP history on down is using text books approved by state boards of education each with their own bias. That’s not even history lite.  It is prejudiced and slanted.  History always has been slanted. You have to delve into documents from the time, understanding their biases to get a feel for the truth. The stuff in public school is probably 25% slanted, 25% superficial without background, 25% propagandized and 20% factually deficient and 5% true. Afan, JR and I may be the best read in history on the Blog although I suspect Desertbirds might give us a run.  We would all tell you that we have our own filters as we study and learn. I suspect we would all tell you what I feel everyday, my opinion and understanding changes every moment I ponder and learn new information. History isn’t taught, it’s learned. 

I just read my fellow York County’s poster missive on the Confederate Flag.  First, the Stars and Bars was a battle flag and not the flag of the rebellious nation. Second, my wife’s family fought on both sides but she has more ancestor’s fighting for the South.  None of her close relatives could tell you what I know about their participation. My great great grandfather (I cherish every memory I have with my great grandfather) fought for the North. I can tell you where, every battle, his unit. My wife’s relatives can’t do that. Southern pride, bunk. The Confederate flag means segregation, oppression and racism to them as much as it does to me, just some of them think that’s alright. 

"History is fiction agreed upon" Voltair.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Thanks.   There's a BJ's about a mile from my house, but it never seemed worth while to me to get a membership.  THAT might just tip the balances.

I never thought it was worth it either until a few years ago when they sent me a $25 offer.  So decided to try it out.   The cost savings on paper products (paper towels, toilet paper) alone are worth it.  And their house brands, Berkeley Jensen and Wesley Farms are the absolute best house brands I’ve ever tried, some of their products are better than name brands.  They also have a deli, which Costco doesn’t have.   Their average deli meat costs around $5.99 - $6.99 per pound for Dietz & Watson.  Normally those same deli meats cost upwards of $8-$10 per pound at the super market.  (Down here in Florida, anyway)

 

You also get crazy gas savings pretty much every time you shop.  Their gas is already 10 cents less than anywhere else and when you shop they end up giving you an additional 10-30 cents off per gallon.  So always get gas after you shop, not before.

I’ve personally saved close to $500 this year alone just by shopping there.

 

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So is catnip, a relative. I have both. Cats love it and there smell seems to discourage the rabbits 

The bunnies in my will not be deterred by the empty threats of catnip😒 

My get likes it though, he gets all sorts of strung out😄

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I never thought it was worth it either until a few years ago when they sent me a $25 offer.  So decided to try it out.   The cost savings on paper products (paper towels, toilet paper) alone are worth it.  And their house brands, Berkeley Jensen and Wesley Farms are the absolute best house brands I’ve ever tried, some of their products are better than name brands.  They also have a deli, which Costco doesn’t have.   Their average deli meat costs around $5.99 - $6.99 per pound for Dietz & Watson.  Normally those same deli meats cost upwards of $8-$10 per pound at the super market.  (Down here in Florida, anyway)

 

You also get crazy gas savings pretty much every time you shop.  Their gas is already 10 cents less than anywhere else and when you shop they end up giving you an additional 10-30 cents off per gallon.  So always get gas after you shop, not before.

I’ve personally saved close to $500 this year alone just by shopping there.

 

Good to know.   But my local BJs doesn't have gas. 

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Good to know.   But my local BJs doesn't have gas. 

Ah, well the gas savings stays on your membership card until you use it so if you eventually drive by one with gas you can still use it and get the additional discounts.  I normally don’t hype any brands, stores or things like that but BJ’s is the real deal, imo. 
 

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I have a recipe for coq du vin that I am dying to try if only I could find some leg quarters. 

Send me that recipe!

56 minutes ago, Utebird said:

"History is fiction agreed upon" Voltair.

With an e but in many cases, like science, it’s a process of learning. I despise the cavalier dismissal of history as a fiction. You proselytize at great length about what you here are dismissing as fiction. I suggest you delete all your "history” based posts if you actually believe Voltaire’s little quip. From what perspective, do you suppose, he was making that comment? Do you think he was dismissing the study of history?

 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

 History that is being taught to kids from AP history on down is using text books approved by state boards of education each with their own bias. That’s not even history lite.  It is prejudiced and slanted.  History always has been slanted. You have to delve into documents from the time, understanding their biases to get a feel for the truth. The stuff in public school is probably 25% slanted, 25% superficial without background, 25% propagandized and 20% factually deficient and 5% true. Afan, JR and I may be the best read in history on the Blog although I suspect Desertbirds might give us a run.  We would all tell you that we have our own filters as we study and learn. I suspect we would all tell you what I feel everyday, my opinion and understanding changes every moment I ponder and learn new information. History isn’t taught, it’s learned. 

I just read my fellow York County’s poster missive on the Confederate Flag.  First, the Stars and Bars was a battle flag and not the flag of the rebellious nation. Second, my wife’s family fought on both sides but she has more ancestor’s fighting for the South.  None of her close relatives could tell you what I know about their participation. My great great grandfather (I cherish every memory I have with my great grandfather) fought for the North. I can tell you where, every battle, his unit. My wife’s relatives can’t do that. Southern pride, bunk. The Confederate flag means segregation, oppression and racism to them as much as it does to me, just some of them think that’s alright. 

This is interesting, everything I've read or been told says the opposite. 

9 hours ago, justrelax said:

With an e but in many cases, like science, it’s a process of learning. I despise the cavalier dismissal of history as a fiction. You proselytize at great length about what you here are dismissing as fiction. I suggest you delete all your "history” based posts if you actually believe Voltaire’s little quip. From what perspective, do you suppose, he was making that comment? Do you think he was dismissing the study of history?

 

Didnt state i believed or didnt believe it.

In many cases history is fiction agreed upon.

History often is written by the winners.

Im sure the native americans history of of white colonization is much different than told by the conquering colonies no?

I think thats the point Voltaire is trying to make, not dismissing all history.

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Do they?  Not any of the Confederate monuments I saw growing up in the South studying the War of Northern Aggression. 

I see this discussion is back from like 4 years ago. Ill say the same thing I said back then cause its still right and anyone who disagrees is still wrong.

 

Do you think concentration camps such as Auschwitz should be demolished? 

Do you think the remains of the Berlin wall should be demolished?

Should the fix the facades of their bullet riddled buildings in Germany?

Should they remove the plaques from the doorsteps of houses that bare the names of the victims who were torn from those homes?

Oh man the list of things there that serve as a reminder of their past would be impossibly long to go on. 

But they are a progressive country in Germany. They wear their past with pride. Not because they are proud of it, but because they are proud of how much theyve grown. 

 

Knocking down monuments is stupid. 

I recently saw a friend of my sister post on facebook- If they dont want to take down the Lee statue, then they should set up a memorial right next to his memorial dedicated to the number of slaves who died before the Civil War, to remind everyone that this is what he fought to preserve and the cost of his fight was the blood of innocents.

I love that idea.

Its crazy. Many of the same people who likened Trump to Hitler around the 2016 election were the same ones rooting for statues to be torn down then too. I think I remember street names changed. On one hand they are warning that we are doomed to repeat history and trying to point out all the similarities of the road we are headed down. On the other hand they are also trying to delete all reminders. So how then can we be expected to remember? Whats next. Shall these important people in our history have their names redacted from history books? Should we just get rid of the ones that are already printed with those names in them?  How ironic. The notZs burnt books. 

This idea is stupid. And also hypocrytical. And stupid.

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Good to know.   But my local BJs doesn't have gas. 

@greend does.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I see this discussion is back from like 4 years ago. Ill say the same thing I said back then cause its still right and anyone who disagrees is still wrong.

 

Do you think concentration camps such as Auschwitz should be demolished? 

Do you think the remains of the Berlin wall should be demolished?

Should the fix the facades of their bullet riddled buildings in Germany?

Should they remove the plaques from the doorsteps of houses that bare the names of the victims who were torn from those homes?

Oh man the list of things there that serve as a reminder of their past would be impossibly long to go on. 

But they are a progressive country in Germany. They wear their past with pride. Not because they are proud of it, but because they are proud of how much theyve grown. 

 

Knocking down monuments is stupid. 

I recently saw a friend of my sister post on facebook- If they dont want to take down the Lee statue, then they should set up a memorial right next to his memorial dedicated to the number of slaves who died before the Civil War, to remind everyone that this is what he fought to preserve and the cost of his fight was the blood of innocents.

I love that idea.

Its crazy. Many of the same people who likened Trump to Hitler around the 2016 election were the same ones rooting for statues to be torn down then too. I think I remember street names changed. On one hand they are warning that we are doomed to repeat history and trying to point out all the similarities of the road we are headed down. On the other hand they are also trying to delete all reminders. So how then can we be expected to remember? Whats next. Shall these important people in our history have their names redacted from history books? Should we just get rid of the ones that are already printed with those names in them?  How ironic. The notZs burnt books. 

This idea is stupid. And also hypocrytical. And stupid.

 

@greend does.

Complete red herring. Nobody is talking about knocking down Appomattox courthouse or the structures at Gettysburg. You’re ignoring the difference between preserving historical places and erecting statues to honor them. This argument is tired and unsound. Show me the statues to hitler in Germany or military installations named for donitz and goebbels and we’ll talk. But you can’t because they don’t exist. Stop pretending it’s the same thing. Still wrong. 
 

also just to help you out because your education let you down a bit :

 

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/bare-bear/

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What if I bought Hardwood charcoal premade?   Not sure I want to take the time to make my own charcoal.

Do you deliver?   lol 

 

You aren’t making charcoal, you are making coals. 

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I see this discussion is back from like 4 years ago. Ill say the same thing I said back then cause its still right and anyone who disagrees is still wrong.

 

Do you think concentration camps such as Auschwitz should be demolished? 

Do you think the remains of the Berlin wall should be demolished?

Should the fix the facades of their bullet riddled buildings in Germany?

Should they remove the plaques from the doorsteps of houses that bare the names of the victims who were torn from those homes?

Oh man the list of things there that serve as a reminder of their past would be impossibly long to go on. 

But they are a progressive country in Germany. They wear their past with pride. Not because they are proud of it, but because they are proud of how much theyve grown. 

 

Knocking down monuments is stupid. 

I recently saw a friend of my sister post on facebook- If they dont want to take down the Lee statue, then they should set up a memorial right next to his memorial dedicated to the number of slaves who died before the Civil War, to remind everyone that this is what he fought to preserve and the cost of his fight was the blood of innocents.

I love that idea.

Its crazy. Many of the same people who likened Trump to Hitler around the 2016 election were the same ones rooting for statues to be torn down then too. I think I remember street names changed. On one hand they are warning that we are doomed to repeat history and trying to point out all the similarities of the road we are headed down. On the other hand they are also trying to delete all reminders. So how then can we be expected to remember? Whats next. Shall these important people in our history have their names redacted from history books? Should we just get rid of the ones that are already printed with those names in them?  How ironic. The notZs burnt books. 

This idea is stupid. And also hypocrytical. And stupid.

 

They are talking about taking down statues that were placed well after the fact, not removing historical buildings or battlegrounds. There's no need to have statues of Confederate generals around. They could have historical markers with information or generalized memorials to lost lives, but plain and simple most Confederate monuments were made to glorify the people they represent. There's documentaries about it when they talk about the placement of the statues and such, well after the fact, and the re-branding of the Civil War to states rights, etc. Put them in museums on battleground sites in the South. But hey, I'm just some guy from Hawaii who has no real skin in the fight.

13 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Because the Eagles wanted to trade up past Dallas with Atlanta for Lamb, but didn't want to give up a second rounder which they used to draft a backup QB. 

But they didn't so..................................by all rights Lamb should be the better player

6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

 

@greend does.

Yup

On 6/5/2020 at 8:08 AM, WentzFan11 said:

It’s kinda weird the infatuation some people have with objects. I only wish they cared about people that much. 

 

On 6/5/2020 at 8:10 AM, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. like caring about our veterans. you just continue to refuse to acknowledge the other side. 

HE refuses to be put in a corner, a moving goalpost if you will. In summary HE’s a my country right or wrong guy, HE’s sort of conciliatory that there are problems but better to bite their tongue. 
 

1) I would imagine the more justice endeavored, the more patriots will be realized ( but then again maybe not ? ). Good, better, best

2) After November, if there is an election there maybe some role reversals, let’s see

4 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

Complete red herring. Nobody is talking about knocking down Appomattox courthouse or the structures at Gettysburg. You’re ignoring the difference between preserving historical places and erecting statues to honor them. This argument is tired and unsound. Show me the statues to hitler in Germany or military installations named for donitz and goebbels and we’ll talk. But you can’t because they don’t exist. Stop pretending it’s the same thing. Still wrong. 
 

also just to help you out because your education let you down a bit :

 

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/bare-bear/

Wrong!