6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I see this discussion is back from like 4 years ago. Ill say the same thing I said back then cause its still right and anyone who disagrees is still wrong.

 

Do you think concentration camps such as Auschwitz should be demolished? 

Do you think the remains of the Berlin wall should be demolished?

Should the fix the facades of their bullet riddled buildings in Germany?

Should they remove the plaques from the doorsteps of houses that bare the names of the victims who were torn from those homes?

Oh man the list of things there that serve as a reminder of their past would be impossibly long to go on. 

But they are a progressive country in Germany. They wear their past with pride. Not because they are proud of it, but because they are proud of how much theyve grown. 

 

Knocking down monuments is stupid. 

I recently saw a friend of my sister post on facebook- If they dont want to take down the Lee statue, then they should set up a memorial right next to his memorial dedicated to the number of slaves who died before the Civil War, to remind everyone that this is what he fought to preserve and the cost of his fight was the blood of innocents.

I love that idea.

Its crazy. Many of the same people who likened Trump to Hitler around the 2016 election were the same ones rooting for statues to be torn down then too. I think I remember street names changed. On one hand they are warning that we are doomed to repeat history and trying to point out all the similarities of the road we are headed down. On the other hand they are also trying to delete all reminders. So how then can we be expected to remember? Whats next. Shall these important people in our history have their names redacted from history books? Should we just get rid of the ones that are already printed with those names in them?  How ironic. The notZs burnt books. 

This idea is stupid. And also hypocrytical. And stupid.

 

@greend does.

You're Stupid.  A statue of a confederate general is different than a battlefield as a memorial for the dead..  Germany doesn't have statues of Hitler, nor does the former East Berlin have statues of Lenin or Khruschev nor does Germany fly the NSDAP flag  state capitols.

Its hysterical to think keeping Confederate statues, monuments, flags that aren't there as history lessons but are there to glorify that past, will do what, prevent white nationalists and those on the edge of those beliefs from thinking they shouldn't fight for those beliefs?  That they will remind us of what not to do?  Tell me, how does a statue of Robert E. Lee, sitting regally astride his mount, tell us not to let people like him and their ideology rise from defeat?  How does a US military base named after confederate **** honor our Military?  Here's a great idea!: let's name our military bases after generals who lost a war and want to enslave fellow humans!  What an honor for our military heroes!!!  And let's defend this the sad sack losers now as great figures in our history that should remain venerated by all.

Your logic is pathetic.  It's not merely wrong, it's frighteningly ignorant. And Stupid.  And hypocrytical.   Oh, and did i mention pathetic stupid ignorant and wrong?

2 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

You're Stupid.  A statue of a confederate general is different than a battlefield as a memorial for the dead..  Germany doesn't have statues of Hitler, nor does the former East Berlin have statues of Lenin or Khruschev nor does Germany fly the NSDAP flag  state capitols.

Its hysterical to think keeping Confederate statues, monuments, flags that aren't there as history lessons but are there to glorify that past, will do what, prevent white nationalists and those on the edge of those beliefs from thinking they shouldn't fight for those beliefs?  That they will remind us of what not to do?  Tell me, how does a statue of Robert E. Lee, sitting regally astride his mount, tell us not to let people like him and their ideology rise from defeat?  How does a US military base named after confederate **** honor our Military?  Here's a great idea!: let's name our military bases after generals who lost a war and want to enslave fellow humans!  What an honor for our military heroes!!!  And let's defend this the sad sack losers now as great figures in our history that should remain venerated by all.

Your logic is pathetic.  It's not merely wrong, it's frighteningly ignorant. And Stupid.  And hypocrytical.   Oh, and did i mention pathetic stupid ignorant and wrong?

Nice post.  But,  wrong!

24 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Nice post.  But,  wrong!

I know I'm right and i know you believe it.  I'm looking forward to the day we slam booze and watch the Eagles slaughter the Cowboys together while Jerry Jones wipes his tears with his confederate tie.

3 hours ago, twistr said:

But hey, I'm just some guy from Hawaii who has no real skin in the fight.

Well our imperialism with Hawaii is not one of our proudest moments as a country either.  One would argue we have done as poorly with some island "nations” we still "own” and a large body of people between VA and MD.  I seem to recall some slogan about not being taxed if not represented.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

But they didn't so..................................by all rights Lamb should be the better player

Which is why I brought up the Lamb/Reagor comparison when asked even though Lamb went ahead of him. The opportunity was there and they showed interest but didn’t pull the trigger. 

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Which is why I brought up the Lamb/Reagor comparison when asked even though Lamb went ahead of him. The opportunity was there and they showed interest but didn’t pull the trigger. 

But that means nothing when comparing the 2. Sometimes I think people look for reasons to complain about things.

I expect Reagor to be better than Lamb.  I'd have taken Reagor if they were both on the board.

8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I see this discussion is back from like 4 years ago. Ill say the same thing I said back then cause its still right and anyone who disagrees is still wrong.

 

Do you think concentration camps such as Auschwitz should be demolished? 

Do you think the remains of the Berlin wall should be demolished?

Should the fix the facades of their bullet riddled buildings in Germany?

Should they remove the plaques from the doorsteps of houses that bare the names of the victims who were torn from those homes?

Oh man the list of things there that serve as a reminder of their past would be impossibly long to go on. 

But they are a progressive country in Germany. They wear their past with pride. Not because they are proud of it, but because they are proud of how much theyve grown. 

 

Knocking down monuments is stupid. 

I recently saw a friend of my sister post on facebook- If they dont want to take down the Lee statue, then they should set up a memorial right next to his memorial dedicated to the number of slaves who died before the Civil War, to remind everyone that this is what he fought to preserve and the cost of his fight was the blood of innocents.

I love that idea.

Its crazy. Many of the same people who likened Trump to Hitler around the 2016 election were the same ones rooting for statues to be torn down then too. I think I remember street names changed. On one hand they are warning that we are doomed to repeat history and trying to point out all the similarities of the road we are headed down. On the other hand they are also trying to delete all reminders. So how then can we be expected to remember? Whats next. Shall these important people in our history have their names redacted from history books? Should we just get rid of the ones that are already printed with those names in them?  How ironic. The notZs burnt books. 

This idea is stupid. And also hypocrytical. And stupid.

 

@greend does.

Those things other than the plaques that honor the oppressed not the oppresser al ready existed yet they didnt erect statues or monuments of hitler or Goebels or other prominent figures in the 3rd reich. Eastern Germans dont carry 3rd reich flags around or display them at sporting events.

None of your examples are the same as erecting a statue of a failed confederate general who was fighting for slavery oppression genocide ect...

Auschwitz wasnt purposefully built after the war to commemorate history, if it were it would commemorate the killing of jews no?

Did you have equal anger when iraqis toppled the statue of saddam hussein after they were free from his reign of terror?

 monuments(  being something to erect to commemorate a moment or event) "commemorate" ( to remind and show respect for a person or event)  

Erecting a southern general monument is showing respect for a failed cause and promoting that failure ie. slavery.

Want to erect monuments that honor event or people from the south during the civil war. Erect statues and monuments of the oppressed, of those that persevered, of survivors of oppression. Not those doing the oppressing.

No one is suggesting burning history or redacting history from books.

Thats where history belongs in books.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I expect Reagor to be better than Lamb.  I'd have taken Reagor if they were both on the board.

out of the big "3" Lamb was my least favorite, i didnt even have him in the top 3.

8 hours ago, devpool said:

This is interesting, everything I've read or been told says the opposite. 

The Stars and Bars was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. It spread to the western armies somewhat when Longstreet joined Bragg for Chicamauga. If you want to know what Confederate national flag looked like, look at South Carolina state flag...

 

25 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Which is why I brought up the Lamb/Reagor comparison when asked even though Lamb went ahead of him. The opportunity was there and they showed interest but didn’t pull the trigger. 

What opportunity?  The opportunity to pay whatever the asking price the Falcons had to pass on their guy to get Lamb?  There is this false narrative going around that "all it would have taken" is the first and second round pick.  We don't know WHAT it would have cost, but it sounded to me that it was MORE than expected.

I say all the time that I am pretty conservative and definitely far out along the patriotic spectrum, but I do have a problem with southern civil war monuments.

I'm all for southern pride.  But the civil war wasn't just about slavery and racism, it was also a rebellion/secession against our country.  That history needs to be taught, but it should not be celebrated.  I don't want to drag the South through the mud 200 years later...move on.  But this sentimental attachment to their side of that war is offensive.  The mistake was allowing this all those years ago in the first place.   

It does piss me off when people kneel for the anthem or disrespect the flag.  But in the interest of being consistent, I feel the confederate flag and these southern monuments represent a higher level of disrespect.  

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Not sure being around washburn is helpful, he wouldnt be my first or last choice of people to associate with, plenty of DL coaches out there that are better coaches and better humans.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I say all the time that I am pretty conservative and definitely far out along the patriotic spectrum, but I do have a problem with southern civil war monuments.

I'm all for southern pride.  But the civil war wasn't just about slavery and racism, it was also a rebellion/secession against our country.  That history needs to be taught, but it should not be celebrated.  I don't want to drag the South through the mud 200 years later...move on.  But this sentimental attachment to their side of that war is offensive.  The mistake was allowing this all those years ago in the first place.   

It does piss me off when people kneel for the anthem or disrespect the flag.  But in the interest of being consistent, I feel the confederate flag and these southern monuments represent a higher level of disrespect.  

Question, would it piss you off if I knelt for confederate flag or the 3rd reich flag?

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

out of the big "3" Lamb was my least favorite, i didnt even have him in the top 3.

Agreed.  I tried to throw out all my preconceptions (around March) and do a comprehensive review of the top 10-15 WR prospects post-combine.  That was when the combine really had us all down on Reagor, high on guys like Mims.

The biggest takeaways I had were that Mims, Lamb, and Jefferson were overrated, Reagor was vastly underrated.  

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Question, would it piss you off if I knelt for confederate flag or the 3rd reich flag?

I'd just be confused at that point.

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Agreed.  I tried to throw out all my preconceptions (around March) and do a comprehensive review of the top 10-15 WR prospects post-combine.  That was when the combine really had us all down on Reagor, high on guys like Mims.

The biggest takeaways I had were that Mims, Lamb, and Jefferson were overrated, Reagor was vastly underrated.  

Yup agree. Lamb doesnt have any elite athletic traits or any elite physical traits most his elite traits are intangibles.

He reminds me of hopkins in that way and though hopkins is really good drafting a guy with similar athletic profile expecting hopkins  is a risk.

29 minutes ago, greend said:

But that means nothing when comparing the 2. Sometimes I think people look for reasons to complain about things.

I don’t need to look for things to complain about, they made it pretty easy to find on draft day. They valued a backup QB more than Lamb because they didn’t want to part ways with their second rounder to Atlanta to jump Dallas. 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What opportunity?  The opportunity to pay whatever the asking price the Falcons had to pass on their guy to get Lamb?  There is this false narrative going around that "all it would have taken" is the first and second round pick.  We don't know WHAT it would have cost, but it sounded to me that it was MORE than expected.

We don't know the cost, but there was a price, so there was an opportunity.  I like Reagor better because he is now an Eagle.  Lamb is spam, baby.  Reagor is a star.

19 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not sure being around washburn is helpful, he wouldnt be my first or last choice of people to associate with, plenty of DL coaches out there that are better coaches and better humans.

Washburn was a dope here, but he’s a damn good DL coach. A week or two with him can only help. He’s teaching him technique, not staging a coup against Schwartz (his boy) and Jeremiah Washburn (literally his boy). 

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'd just be confused at that point.

What i think i think and the reason i think i kneel is because like 3rd reich flag and confederate flag and all flags they represent a set of ideals and or values. 3rd reich flag is associated with white nationalism, and German Pride and Genocide. The national Pride part in itself isnt horrible, not my cup of tea, but the white nationalism and genocide very horrible. Confederate flag represents Southern Pride, rebels, and slavery. State Pride not horrible rebelling also represented by US flag as they rebelled against England, one could argue many flags represent rebels, slavery though, bad.

The US flag originally represented a succession from the tyrannical rule of England, it was supposed to rep freedom liberty and justice for all.

Kids in cages, systemic racism, increasing poverty, an unequal justice system increased war and spending on immoral wars dont to me represent freedom ,liberty and justice for all the intended representation of the US flag.

When the nation that flag represents incorporates and lives freedom liberty and justice for all ill get off my knees and gladly salute those ideals until then i kneel😞 

People may ask how does kneeling change anything in the country? To which i reply " i dont do it to change the country i do it so the country doesnt change me"

I hope people even if they disagree or find it disrespectful can at least respect my 1st amendment right to kneel. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Washburn was a dope here, but he’s a damn good DL coach. A week or two with him can only help. He’s teaching him technique, not staging a coup against Schwartz (his boy) and Jeremiah Washburn (literally his boy). 

Barnett was drafted off technique in the first place.  His knock was being an unexplosive sub-par athlete for the position.  He's not at all bad, but you can only squeeze so much water from that stone by refining his technique.  

15 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don’t need to look for things to complain about, they made it pretty easy to find on draft day. They valued a backup QB more than Lamb because they didn’t want to part ways with their second rounder to Atlanta to jump Dallas. 

Nope.  They valued whatever the price was in addition to their first round pick more than the difference between Lamb and Reagor.  Even if that price was only the 2nd rounder, they valued the 2nd rounder more, but there's no evidence that that was the extent of the cost to move up.  

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Washburn was a dope here, but he’s a damn good DL coach. A week or two with him can only help. He’s teaching him technique, not staging a coup against Schwartz (his boy) and Jeremiah Washburn (literally his boy). 

Coaching encompasses more than knowledge of football, its also about relating to people and building trust and a learning atmosphere.

Most people learn better in a positive learning environment, washburn isnt known for creating a positive learning environment unless i guess your name is jason babin.

Im sure washburn has good things to teach barnett its the way he teaches them and attitude he instills in others that id be leary of my players associating with.