23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

Yup read that, the story about general Amhurst was from the book guns germs and steel.if i remember correctly.

Like i said small pox killed alot of natives and documents exist that show a general amhurst ordered " small pox" blankets from a hospital to be given to native americans with the intent on those blankets killing native americans. Whether it worked or not is debatable but the intent was there.

Its a sad part of our countries history that we felt the need to wipe out a culture and a people instead of trying to co exist, the settlers got lucky that small pox assisted them in that cause.

It is what it is i dont think its productive or healthy for me to try and justify the killing of millions of native americans by america.

I think what is productive is taking steps to make amends or at least stopping the damage. Continuing to break treaties with tribes in the name of capital gain isnt moral. 

Why not give tribes equal representation in government, im not sure what that would look like or how it would work or if in the past its ever been tried but i think it could be positive.

 

15 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That other countries and other indian tribes killed each other doesnt excuse what americans did and continue to do to native americans, what aboutism doesnt excuse genocide. America took specific steps to destroy the native american culture not just by killing them but banning them from using their language and re educating them.the best way to kill a people is by killing its language. Having said that small pox did wipe out millions of indians when settlers inadvertently introduced livestock. Having said that there are also documents of general Amhurst who specifically called for " small pox" blankets to be sent to indians in attempt to infect and kill the indians, whether it worked is up for debate.

That the killing of native americans was by accidental small pox doesnt excuse the goal of american settlers,which was to exterminate native americans from the land and small pox assisted in that effort either way.

As for hitler and Stalin how about we agree they killed lots of people and made lots of bad choices.😞

Understated much?

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

It's a bug. VA has said he doesn't want ads shown for members.

I am with JR on this.  When I get knocked off the ads pop up until I log back on. I got a Pray for Trump ad.  I don’t want that ish. I contributed to the fund for this message board and would pay dues to keep it up.  I suggest we turn those off entirely @VaBeach_Eagle

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Understated much?

Yup, sadly yup.😞

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

Say what? Stalin killed a lot of people, but other than the "Doctors plot," never engaged in wholesale killing of jews specifically, although he was certainly antisemitic (as were and still are most Russians). The Great purge killed a lot of Jews out of the half million, but more because they were disproportionately involved in Party politics or members of the intelligentsia. The Great Famine killed mostly Ukrainian peasants, few who were Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

If we had wanted to commit genocide against Native Americans, there would be no Native Americans left.

The primary cause of death was disease imported by Europeans, but since they had no concept of germ theory, they couldn't have weaponized it. The reports of using smallpox blankets, etc. have been refuted. The real problem was lack of immunity by Native Americans, similar to what happened in Europe during both the Justinian Plague and Black Death, the latter killing 40-50% of Europeans from a disease imported from China.

White Americans certainly oppressed and killed Native Americans, so did the Spanish, and before them the Aztecs and Mayans. The Comanche and Sioux crushed neighboring tribes, practically exterminating some. White Europeans were not better or worse than the rest of humanity, they just had better technology. American Indians did not live in a peaceful paradise before the arrival of Europeans, they did a fine job murdering each other with stone age technology.

It is racist to hold White Europeans to higher standards than the rest of the world, since that presumes White Europeans are morally superior.

Pretty accurate. We have some bad events in history with Native Americans. Trail of Tears to Indian Territory until we wanted the land and opened it up for Homesteading. Broken treaties. Forcing reservations on nomadic people. But history is full of that sort of thing everywhere. It’s what peoples do.  

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Our constitution does actually state we have certain inalienable rights...

so thanks for the gibberish, i guess

No it doesn’t. You are thinking of the Declaration of Independence. Madison thought those should be enumerated and proposed some twenty odd changes to the Constitution. Those were whittled down to the first ten amendments, the Bill of Rights and two others, not raising their own pay passing much later and the other never passed. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I’m sure you do. Unfortunately, the reality of government is quite a bit different than do-good local politicians believe.

Yes and no.   Your vision is inaccurate in my view and from my experience.  There are bills, laws and regulations out there with my input and often my language at all levels.  In my real job, I had a lot of interaction with government at all levels. 

So read an article 

Asking if the eagles have any future HOF on the current roster.

It gave 4 names, those being Cox, Kelce, Ertz, and Desean.

I think all 4 one can make a good case for and at the same time make a good case against.

To me i think if Kelce can be all pro or pro bowl this year hes got a really good case.

Cox i think his lack of sacks could hurt his case.

Ertz i think compared to other TEs during his era could miss out unless he can play at a high level for a lot longer.

As for Desean hes interesting because his big play resume is HOF worthy but his career numbers arent plus hes never won anything and not sure he can stay healthy enough to accrue those numbers?

There is sort of a double standard by many on the Left that undercuts the validity of their arguments.

It was genocide by White Americans, but when Chinese 120 years later try to wipe out the Uighurs, well, silence.

Slavery is the original sin, but ignore that African Kings sold the slaves and Arabs kept slavery well into the 20th century. It's all the fault of White Europeans.

Palestinians have a right to their own country (which they feel includes all of Israel), but the Kurds, silence. If you're oppressed by what are considered White Europeans (though the majority of Israelis are now from Arab countries and Russia), evil, if you're oppressed by Muslims, well, those people do those sort of things. It's more complicated when you take into account history, were the Ottomans "Western Imperialists?" What establishes a right to land, to national identity?

And so on. The problem comes when "moral  principles" conflict with uncomfortable realities, apply them universally and you'll alienate a lot of potential allies who are happy to apply them to Americans and White Europeans, but not to anyone else. Notice almost no one talks about "Untouchables" in India, who still face far worse discrimination and oppression than American blacks, killed with impunity in many cases.

https://www.american.edu/cas/economics/ejournal/upload/rao_accessible.pdf

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-03-05/even-harvard-pedigree-caste-follows-shadow

History teaches us there's a lot of bad behavior by the entire human race, the Enlightenment strove to constrain such behavior by reason.

As the 20th century showed, that program met with only limited success, still, there has been some progress, slavery is almost universally banned, indiscriminate killing of civilians (check the routine sack of cities throughout history) is generally frowned up, and so on. We'd be better served in reading all of human history, and understanding the forces behind the worst behavior so we can ameliorate it, instead of puffing up with moral superiority by castigating our 18th and 19th century ancestors for not living up to our air conditioned, 80 year life expectancy standards. When being landless may require watching your children starve or die from disease, you might take a different attitude toward "the other" who were a barrier to your family's survival (think of the Northwest territories, speculators may have made fortunes, but common people got fertile land to raise a family). To understand history, you have to take the perspective of those who lived it, which doesn't mean condoning their behavior, rather, attempt to understand it.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Yes and no.   Your vision is inaccurate in my view and from my experience.  There are bills, laws and regulations out there with my input and often my language at all levels.  In my real job, I had a lot of interaction with government at all levels. 

And your vision is naive in my view and from my experience.  Any one of the things you mentioned are fraught with corruption and have little to do with actually "helping" people.  They're mostly just excuses to cycle private citizen's money into politician's constituents pockets, and then of course the politician will get a cut of the looting either through campaign donations or through a gravy chain job after he's out of office.  And that sort of cynicism is among the most desirable holders of government power.  Lord help us all when the true believers get power... 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

The library is thin. So at full price, it's a bad investment.

The PS4 has a great library, so it'll be a great investment once the PS5 is out. 

We loved playing Mario and Mario Kart on the Wii so that’s pretty much what we’ll stick to on this console. Also, Nintendo Land has some pretty awesome games. Perfect for my little family. 

4 hours ago, justrelax said:

This is my last post here. Seeing political ads, in this case for Brian Fitzpatrick, but it could be anyone, I will not post or visit here again. Live long and prosper, Y’all.

You saw an ad while you were logged in? 

26 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

You saw an ad while you were logged in? 

Doesn't sound like it. Hopefully he'll come back to answer this.

He will be back. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

So read an article 

Asking if the eagles have any future HOF on the current roster.

It gave 4 names, those being Cox, Kelce, Ertz, and Desean.

I think all 4 one can make a good case for and at the same time make a good case against.

To me i think if Kelce can be all pro or pro bowl this year hes got a really good case.

Cox i think his lack of sacks could hurt his case.

Ertz i think compared to other TEs during his era could miss out unless he can play at a high level for a lot longer.

As for Desean hes interesting because his big play resume is HOF worthy but his career numbers arent plus hes never won anything and not sure he can stay healthy enough to accrue those numbers?

I’m pretty much going no across the board. They are all in the hall of very good. Cox in particular needs to step it up the next few years to have a legitimate chance, the last two years with DT depth and playing through injuries have hurt him. Jackson has the big plays but I see it as a stretch for him to make it especially with some of the WRs not yet in and the fact it took Issac Bruce so long. Ertz is almost 30 and has only 5,000 some yards and 35 TD’s. I would need to look more in depth but that seems pretty low for today’s era HOF TE’s. Kelce has the best shot but I’m just skeptical with the amount of C’s that actually ever made the HOF. There’s also Jeff Saturday who has the better accolades and Nick Mangold whose on par with Kelce. 

 

For the love of God can we at least try to keep it football related?

If I wanted to know anything from Reddit I wouldn't have chipped in money to help start the board.

🤦🏻‍♂️

7 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

For the love of God can we at least try to keep it football related?

If I wanted to know anything from Reddit I wouldn't have chipped in money to help start the board.

🤦🏻‍♂️

This guys. Very this. The occasional foray into scotch or golf or smokers or Runtherock’s mom was a staple of the blog. Keeping politics out was too. Speaking as a guy who will come here and join almost whatever the discussion is, let’s keep it on track. 

We’ve been in a pandemic for 3+ months. Not much football to discuss. 
 

Player X has covid is the only news we’re gonna get.

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Doesn't sound like it. Hopefully he'll come back to answer this.

I can definitely understand not wanting to see political ads, I hate seeing them. I'm going to see if I can turn those off. Right now, I don't know if I can but I think I'll be able to starting July 1st. 

An attempt at football discussion before I head to bed in a moment...

I watched some highlights of the playoff win over the Falcons during the Super Bowl run tonight. One thing stood out that I guess I sort of forgot about. And that was how well Jay Ajayi played in that game, despite the costly fumble on the opening possession. This is why I'm always bothered when draft critics complain about the Eagle drafts over the past five years. Jernigan, Darby, and Ajayi -- as well as the final payments on Wentz -- need to be included when analyzing the picks the team made in that time span ('17 and '18 in particular). And those guys ALL contributed to SB52. That's the ultimate goal, fellas. 

Bed time.

On 6/24/2020 at 12:24 PM, Diehardfan said:

Yeah...that 41% in the link you sent that I've never heard of...even if it is true is so much different than the 45% from Rasmussen.

In a perfect world 45% gets a consolation speech

13 hours ago, greend said:

I would like to see a picture of the "noose". 

11 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

So if the Eagles were to tarp off the first eight rows of the stadium, what happens to the season ticket holders who paid thousands of dollars for the seat licenses for those seats? Do they get to sit somewhere else, or will they be told "tough luck, see you next year"?

I thought I read somewhere when this all first started that the team had stopped all season ticket payments for this season. This is just a guess, but I’m thinking there will either be refunds, or any money paid to date will be applied towards 2021 season ticket payments, and 2020 ticket sales will simply be a first come first served. 

14 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Did you see that the "nooses" in the Oakland park were actually exercise devices?

I heard that the "noose" in his garage was the rope that is attached to pull down your overhead door. That's why I would like to see it.