1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Regarding the virus we can't just look at cases and say we're doomed.  OK so there are 10,000 new cases per week.  Out of that 10k how many are asymptomatic, how many only have cold like symptoms, how many are in nursing homes, how many require a hospital visit, how many require long hospital stays on ventilators and lastly how many are dying because of Covid, not WITH Covid?

I don't know those answers just saying we need to look at the big picture.  Just saying there are 10,000 new cases per week sure that can sound bad but let's look at the big picture, be smart in our analytics and take the best course of action based on them.  We've become a reactionary society.  Something happens or is reported and BAM we need to take action before thinking and gathering as much as possible.  (Case in point Bubba and the noose). 

 

Testing is part of the gathering as much info to make informed decisions.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Testing is part of the gathering as much info to make informed decisions.

Right, I get that and not denying it.  The reporting of things though.  We are told how many cases but it really isn't broken down.  We just see 10,000 new cases.  I just think as a whole we need to look at big picture rather than certain numbers.

Ummmm how Mike Schmidt wasn’t no. 1 on this list is ridiculous. Then again it’s WIP and they probably had ESP do they list. I love AI but he didn’t deserve to be 1 over Schmidt. Also disagree with utley being top 5 over clarke, Erving, Carlton and parent and i love utley. Schmidt is the greatest third baseman in MLB history and his accomplishments are ridiculous when you see them laid out. 

schmidt’s accomplishments:

— 80 WS MVP (won title)

— 3x NL MVP (80,81,86)

— 10x gold glove winner

—12 x all star

—6x silver slugger

— 8x NL homerun leader

— 4x NL rbi leader

— Mlb all century team

— Mlb all time team. 
 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Regarding the virus we can't just look at cases and say we're doomed.  OK so there are 10,000 new cases per week.  Out of that 10k how many are asymptomatic, how many only have cold like symptoms, how many are in nursing homes, how many require a hospital visit, how many require long hospital stays on ventilators and lastly how many are dying because of Covid, not WITH Covid?

I don't know those answers just saying we need to look at the big picture.  Just saying there are 10,000 new cases per week sure that can sound bad but let's look at the big picture, be smart in our analytics and take the best course of action based on them.  We've become a reactionary society.  Something happens or is reported and BAM we need to take action before thinking and gathering as much as possible.  (Case in point Bubba and the noose). 

 

We’re actually having around 27K per week at this moment, but testing is how we look at the big picture. Which is why we shouldn’t be trying to slow down testing, we should be ramping it up and contact tracing to make sure we all stay healthy.

Just now, bpac55 said:

Here we are talking about defensive tackles on the anniversary of the death of Jerome Brown.  I wonder how he would stack up against Cox had he been able to complete his career.

Good question. They are very similar in that both had a quick first step and were/are very explosive.

I think one glaring difference is brown played with reggie white his whole career 

Putting White next to Cox would be pretty scarey as well.

Cox has also never struggled with weight where as jerome from time to time came to camp out of shape.

Sky was the limit for Brown its just sad still. I didnt realize today was the anniversary😞

While were giving shout outs to eagles DT gotta mention Andy Harmon, he wasnt in the mold of cox and brown as andy was much smaller but he was quick and relentless. Too bad injuries ended his short but fun career.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Right, I get that and not denying it.  The reporting of things though.  We are told how many cases but it really isn't broken down.  We just see 10,000 new cases.  I just think as a whole we need to look at big picture rather than certain numbers.

My sister in law who is a nurse was saying the same thing, that just the reported raw numbers to the public without context to them isnt helpful to the public.

5 hours ago, greend said:

Hopefully you don't

Appreciate it. So far so good as far as symptoms. Still feel fine with none as of now. I had another friend come down with symptoms yesterday too. It's frustrating in Arizona right now. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Is there anything surprising from these statistics?  Does this guy have a point he's trying to make?  

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

My sister in law who is a nurse was saying the same thing, that just the reported raw numbers to the public without context to them isnt helpful to the public.

% positive rate and death/hospitalization rate are the most important numbers to look at. The cases are going to continue to go up. That's just a fact and there really isn't any substance to those numbers with increased testing. If a quarterback is going to throw the ball 100 times, you can't be impressed with 400 yards passing. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Good question. They are very similar in that both had a quick first step and were/are very explosive.

I think one glaring difference is brown played with reggie white his whole career 

Putting White next to Cox would be pretty scarey as well.

Cox has also never struggled with weight where as jerome from time to time came to camp out of shape.

Sky was the limit for Brown its just sad still. I didnt realize today was the anniversary😞

While were giving shout outs to eagles DT gotta mention Andy Harmon, he wasnt in the mold of cox and brown as andy was much smaller but he was quick and relentless. Too bad injuries ended his short but fun career.

He also had Clyde Simmons who was a flat out stud too.

I loved Andy Harmon.  We've had some nice under the radar d-tackles.  I always liked Ronnie Dixon in his short stint here.  Rhett Hall was a decent player.  Paul Grasmanis was a great piece during the AR era, same with Sam Rayburn and Darwin Walker.

Also didn't realize Beau Allen signed with the Patriots..ugh.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

% positive rate and death/hospitalization rate are the most important numbers to look at. The cases are going to continue to go up. That's just a fact and there really isn't any substance to those numbers with increased testing. If a quarterback is going to throw the ball 100 times, you can't be impressed with 400 yards passing. 

Best site gives 7 day moving averages for key statistics:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ckelly2528#!/vizhome/COVIDDashboard-Public/Introduction?publish=yes

# positive:  2 weeks ago 4.5%, last week 4.6%, this week 5.9%, yes Houston, we have a problem.

Others:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=STYLN_coronahub&variant=show&region=header&context=menu

https://www.sciencemag.org/collections/coronavirus?utm_medium=email&utm_source=membership&utm_campaign=tbc-2020-acq-fos-global-lead-list-3&utm_content=email2&dmc=P2BSO1EMAQL3&et_rid=218415818&et_cid=3301680

 

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

% positive rate and death/hospitalization rate are the most important numbers to look at. The cases are going to continue to go up. That's just a fact and there really isn't any substance to those numbers with increased testing. If a quarterback is going to throw the ball 100 times, you can't be impressed with 400 yards passing. 

I’d be impressed if a QB somehow did that. 

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Ehhh, Warner didn’t have a ten year tear. He had 3 great seasons. 
 

I think Cox has a chance. He’s already a 5 time pro bowler and is generally recognized as one of the top 3 interior defensive lineman of his generation. He made the NFL all decade team, which is usually a great sign you’re going to get a gold jacket and he’s still only 29 years old. 2 or 3 more pro bowl level years and he’s a lock IMO. 

Cox has had to deal with other players getting injured all of the time so he's always double and tripled. It's actually annoying. He'd have insane stats if we had a healthy line that could take the pressure off IMO

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Does not seem to work with my IPad.  I can be logged on and go read another site, like that Jones article and I come back and have to log back on. 

Strange. I'm always signed in on my iphone

1 hour ago, greend said:

I'm torn on the whole corona thing. I agree with wearing of masks, but I also think the thing has been politicized and is being used as a weapon.

Can you explain the weapon part?

52 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He outright lies daily on things that are easily disproven, takes credit for legislation that was passed before he was running for president, and has been outed for his incompetence by those closest to him who are longtime republicans and have served republican presidents.

How do you defend that? It has to be exhausting. 

You'd love CVON

50 minutes ago, greend said:

Like I said.................................................both sides. 

 

I hope they have this energy for the local and state governments come election. They all Fed up on all levels IMO

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He also had Clyde Simmons who was a flat out stud too.

I loved Andy Harmon.  We've had some nice under the radar d-tackles.  I always liked Ronnie Dixon in his short stint here.  Rhett Hall was a decent player.  Paul Grasmanis was a great piece during the AR era, same with Sam Rayburn and Darwin Walker.

Also didn't realize Beau Allen signed with the Patriots..ugh.

Yup Clyde Simmons was boarder line HOF. I think if that group had won a super bowl Clyde eric allen seth joyner all HOF.

As is they never won jack together and all went to different teams.😞

23 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

We’re actually having around 27K per week at this moment, but testing is how we look at the big picture. Which is why we shouldn’t be trying to slow down testing, we should be ramping it up and contact tracing to make sure we all stay healthy.

27k per week?

Try 30k per day.

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

I have not worked on a COVID team. That is true. My students and I have published peer reviewed papers on disease transmission and on the evolution of virulence.

Statistics are always flawed (you can torture the data until it confesses, but if the information isn't there, all you'll get is gibberish), but not useless.

Confirmed cases are highly skewed by testing volume and choice of sample (limit it to those with symptoms and you'll have lower # confirmed but higher % testing positive). But if you have data on both # and % confirmed, you can get a feel for spread (i.e., you can estimate how much of an increase/decrease is due to # tested v % positive).

But right now we're not looking for statistically valid analyses for publication in peer reviewed journal, we're just trying to get "back of the envelope" estimates to guide policy making.

And there's enough information out there to get a general sense of what's going on.

Masks seem to be the most important factor in slowing transmission, social distancing matters most without masks, but also in terms of reducing the time of exposure in enclosed spaces with limited ventilation. All the super spreader events seem to have the same profile, people in close proximity without masks for hours. Like the rallies in Tulsa and Arizona. Preliminary studies of the protests have found little impact on virus spread, probably a balance between increased social distancing (other people stayed home) and low spread in the crowds due to most protesters wearing masks and being outdoors.

The states now experiencing the highest spikes had Republican governors who blocked attempts by cities to impose mask requirements, and a large population of hard core ideologues who refused to wear masks out of some twisted sense of infringement of their "liberties." There is a lot of reckless behavior by the under 30 cohort who feel invulnerable, while this means death rates will initially be lower, as they spread the virus to the more vulnerable population and swamp the hospital system (killing others), I expect deaths to rise over time.

The other issue is permanent damage to those who won't die but will have serious infections - other viruses like West Nile have been shown to decrease life expectancy, since COVID attacks various organs, odds are there will be damage that doesn't lead to short-term increases in mortality in the under 40 group, but has long-term effects.

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Regarding the virus we can't just look at cases and say we're doomed.  OK so there are 10,000 new cases per week.  Out of that 10k how many are asymptomatic, how many only have cold like symptoms, how many are in nursing homes, how many require a hospital visit, how many require long hospital stays on ventilators and lastly how many are dying because of Covid, not WITH Covid?

I don't know those answers just saying we need to look at the big picture.  Just saying there are 10,000 new cases per week sure that can sound bad but let's look at the big picture, be smart in our analytics and take the best course of action based on them.  We've become a reactionary society.  Something happens or is reported and BAM we need to take action before thinking and gathering as much as possible.  (Case in point Bubba and the noose). 

 

I wish we were back down to 10,000 per week. Florida hits that in 2 days

15 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I’d be impressed if a QB somehow did that. 

Sam Bradford accepts your challenge

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Best site gives 7 day moving averages for key statistics:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ckelly2528#!/vizhome/COVIDDashboard-Public/Introduction?publish=yes

# positive:  2 weeks ago 4.5%, last week 4.6%, this week 5.9%, yes Houston, we have a problem.

Others:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=STYLN_coronahub&variant=show&region=header&context=menu

https://www.sciencemag.org/collections/coronavirus?utm_medium=email&utm_source=membership&utm_campaign=tbc-2020-acq-fos-global-lead-list-3&utm_content=email2&dmc=P2BSO1EMAQL3&et_rid=218415818&et_cid=3301680

 

Never has it been easier to acquire information and never, it seems, have Americans been more reluctant to do so.

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Cox has had to deal with other players getting injured all of the time so he's always double and tripled. It's actually annoying. He'd have insane stats if we had a healthy line that could take the pressure off IMO

Strange. I'm always signed in on my iphone

Can you explain the weapon part?

You'd love CVON

I hope they have this energy for the local and state governments come election. They all Fed up on all levels IMO

That place sucks. 

Someone was asking for a picture of the "noose". I don't know much about garage pulls but I can certainly see why someone would think its a noose

 

32 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Is there anything surprising from these statistics?  Does this guy have a point he's trying to make?  

I would say that it’s not a universally held belief that running out of shotgun or a more efficient than under center, and I doubt fans knew just how stark the difference is. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Someone was asking for a picture of the "noose". I don't know much about garage pulls but I can certainly see why someone would think its a noose

 

Ummm cuz its a noose. Zero reason to use a noose for a garage pull. Plenty of other knots out there...

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Someone was asking for a picture of the "noose". I don't know much about garage pulls but I can certainly see why someone would think its a noose

 

I think that picture is a bit misleading, especially with respect to the size of the noose.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

How about a lotto approach for seat license owners for each game. If any are left after that (in other words all seat license holders got tickets) then sell the remainder. Base the areas lottoed based on where your seat license is. 

That seems reasonably fair.