32 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Honey Badger signed with the Saints so he isn’t coming here I know many were hopeful he would 

Oh Well

59 minutes ago, stine said:

Baltimore, unlike us, loves Safetys and I am sure they would have taken Hamilton over Davis if they had to choose. So we gave away 3 later round picks to insure we got a player. 

Baltimore took Ngata before us and we ended up with Bunkley.   Don't they play a 3-4 D?    I would assume Davis was their pick.   Plus if we don't trade.... Houston might have taken either player.   I think people tend to forget that part.  

I did read there were rumours that Ravens might take Davis. If you really want a guy, you make the move. Not only did we fill a need w/ Cox on his last yr, we got the best guy in the draft at that position.

I HEARD ON THE TV, that Kelce had a word on the Center they drafted. He said that this dude is most like his style of play of all centers in the draft. One site had him ranked like 80. Probably early to pick him, but they did steal Dean in the next round so I will give them this.....

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Baltimore took Ngata before us and we ended up with Bunkley.   Don't they play a 3-4 D?    I would assume Davis was their pick.   Plus if we don't trade.... Houston might have taken either player.   I think people tend to forget that part.  

After this draft, it could be that we are going to play allot of 3-4 this year. We now have the people to install it if we so choose. We sure as heck drafted enough LB's! 

29 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

I did read there were rumours that Ravens might take Davis. If you really want a guy, you make the move. Not only did we fill a need w/ Cox on his last yr, we got the best guy in the draft at that position.

What do you think Houston would have done at 13?   Do they pass on Hamilton and Davis?   Also a factor 

How I look at the draft.  Because players don't play both ways anymore like Concrete Charlie, you aren't going to fill EVERY position in a draft.

For every pick you make...you had 5 or 10 alternatives that you pass up.

Always ...." yeah but we didn't address this or that "   it's not what the draft is about. It's about getting some young players that you can build around.   Seems like the last 2 years we have some guys we can do that with.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Honey Badger signed with the Saints so he isn’t coming here I know many were hopeful he would 

That sucks. We needed him. Going to hurt our traded pick as well. Bit of double pain on that one.

It's the day after the Superbowl... 

We have picks 15, 16, 19, 51, 83 and all those 4th and 5th round picks. 

I tell you this is what is going to happen 

The Eagles get Davis, Dean, trade for Brown, Cam,  Strong , Jobe , Goodrich...  plus a 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd.

How are you feeling with that? 

52 minutes ago, stine said:

After this draft, it could be that we are going to play allot of 3-4 this year. We now have the people to install it if we so choose. We sure as heck drafted enough LB's! 

Seems very likely we’ve been making a change. 3-4…..I believe a bunch of 5-2.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems very likely we’ve been making a change. 3-4…..I believe a bunch of 5-2.

When you say 5-2... where is it different than 3-4?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

When you say 5-2... where is it different than 3-4?

You can have an extra 5 Dlineman …..or instead of a LB outside he could be blitzing up the middle. Gannon previewed some 5-2 last season. Could even be utilizing the SS as a LB. So 3-4 had four LB. A 5-2 could really be using only 1. Think it’s situational. Because you could use a 5-2 heavy vs the expected run more like a goaline setup….but it’s different against the pass. What if you bring six guys at the QB? Or want to bring 5 but are disguising which guys? A way of confusing the O side of their blocking assignments.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5–2_defense

Thinking about this year’s roster. Consider Milton, Hargrave, Davis, Cox and Graham all hand in the dirt up front.

Historically, there are two significant variations of the 5–2 defense in professional and college football. The first is the defense created by Earle (Greasy) Neale.^[1] This defense was prominent in the National Football League from the late 1940s through the middle 1950s and was a precursor defense to Buddy Ryan's 46 defense.^[2] 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can have an extra 5 Dlineman …..or instead of a LB outside he could be blitzing up the middle. Gannon previewed some 5-2 last season. Could even be utilizing the SS as a LB. So 3-4 had four LB. A 5-2 could really be using only 1. Think it’s situational. Because you could use a 5-2 heavy vs the expected run more like a goaline setup….but it’s different against the pass. What if you bring six guys at the QB? Or want to bring 5 but are disguising which guys? A way of confusing the O side of their blocking assignments.

It's basically old school 3-4.   I said that when we were 3-4 with Chip.   My favorite D is the aggressive 3-4 because you can rush or " blitz" the four from anywhere.  It's also a 5 man line vs the run, with bigger guys in the middle. 

My least favorite D is the conservative 3-4. Which is what we had then.  You rush 3 or the obvious 4th guy to where it's telegraphed. 

This 5-2 idea is the exact same thing as "Blitzburgh"  the aggressive 3-4.  It's not rocket science...pretty simple concept of just having options and disguising them. 

 

We also went w/ athletic guys so they can drop back in coverage,

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thinking about this year’s roster. Consider Milton, Hargrave, Davis, Cox and Graham all hand in the dirt up front.

Like what we had with Graham and Barwin.   Really doesn't matter if the hand is in the dirt.   LT, Derrick Thomas..etc.   You can hit each gap... plus 2 ILBs that can come from the middle.   

The thing I like with the odd front is the center is occupied with the big NT and can't be free to easily help.  

Still... who was that DC under Chip???  He was awful with that conservative approach, didn't use any of these concepts.  Just relied on the guys to two gap...or to beat the OTs off the edge. 

2 guys from the Alabama offense... Heisman winner and the obvious leader with Dickerson. 

Then 2 guys from the Georgia defense...the Bednerick and Butkis award winners...the freak athlete and the smart guy/ leader.

That's big picture long term stuff right there.  You build from that kind of draft.

 

Then on top of the pair of Alabama and Georgia players... you get a guy each year for the future of each line...  Milton and Cam.

That's how you build. 

Then you add future first and 2nd round picks.

Again...that's how you build.

Big picture stuff....not worrying about drafting a punter or a 5th round CB that might stick.

I think last year AND this year you have to give credit to Rosie for reading the draft. Looks to me like he read the first round almost exactly the way it unfolded. Realized we couldn’t get Pitts or Chase last year so moved back. But then realized the Gmen wanted Smitty so moved back ahead of them. This year he read that the WR weren’t going to make it. CB would go way too high. So he needed to jump Baltimore to get that last guy of his top tier. Reading the new climate at WR he got our QB1 working out with our top trade option…before we even pulled the trigger. That’s stuff of dreams. Held AJ’s agent feet on the fire that a new contract gets done before the 18th pick or forget it. Clearly had been working on all the parameters of the deal for weeks. So he was ready.

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It's basically old school 3-4.   I said that when we were 3-4 with Chip.   My favorite D is the aggressive 3-4 because you can rush or " blitz" the four from anywhere.  It's also a 5 man line vs the run, with bigger guys in the middle. 

My least favorite D is the conservative 3-4. Which is what we had then.  You rush 3 or the obvious 4th guy to where it's telegraphed. 

This 5-2 idea is the exact same thing as "Blitzburgh"  the aggressive 3-4.  It's not rocket science...pretty simple concept of just having options and disguising them. 

You can still be conservative and back a guy off the line to cover. But it makes the offense have to account for it as a rusher. Giving the rushers very potential one on one matchups.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Like what we had with Graham and Barwin.   Really doesn't matter if the hand is in the dirt.   LT, Derrick Thomas..etc.   You can hit each gap... plus 2 ILBs that can come from the middle.   

The thing I like with the odd front is the center is occupied with the big NT and can't be free to easily help.  

Still... who was that DC under Chip???  He was awful with that conservative approach, didn't use any of these concepts.  Just relied on the guys to two gap...or to beat the OTs off the edge. 

Old Billy

Davis

As i said right after the draft. It was a bad draft for Eagles fans.

Nothing to complain about.