7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So would you say ....maybe 2004 or 2017 had better skill groups?

Idk... 2004 ...T.O and Westbrook were absolutely STUDS!  But after that...meh.  Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell? Chad Lewis was ok.  

2017... my favorite group as a whole..  but I'd take Brown over Alshon, take the younger Smith.. Agholor vs Quez...take Paschal over Hollins.  TE you can argue Goedert does more than all of them.   The RBs was a committee..but  some on here for years talk about preferring the one stud... and some think Sanders has elite talent. 

You could argue the track teams of Shady, DeSean and Maclin...but OL and TE isn't as good, team was not physical at all.  

I mean... this is pretty ideal for a QB to really light up the scoreboard.  No excuse really. 

Agreed. IDK that Sanders is a "stud". I would not rank him as such. he is solid in a RBBC and I like that approach(sucks for fantasy though HAHA) because we saw the Titans implode when they lost their STUD RB(also killed off my fantasy season) . Carolina had issues losing Caff,etc The SB was cool because there were no "heroes" Everyone played their part and did their jobs. I liked Ertz,I admit that. Goedert looks fine,no issues there at all. Would like to see another TE step up. Stoll,maybe this new kid for more effective 2 TE's sets,but we have both catching and blocking TE's. Didn't like Jjaw as a WR,but I will not bash him at TE until I see him there

Jake Haener, Fresno State  FWIW, this kid interests me the most(just for the record Ham ) Big drag on him is his size,he's pretty tiny by NFL standards

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Agreed. IDK that Sanders is a "stud". I would not rank him as such. he is solid in a RBBC and I like that approach(sucks for fantasy though HAHA) because we saw the Titans implode when they lost their STUD RB. The SB was cool because there were no "heroes" Even played their part and did their jobs. I liked Ertz,I admit that. Geodert looks fine,no issues there at all. Would like to see another TE step up. Stoll,maybe this new kid for more effective 2 TE's sets,but we have both catching and blocking TE's. Didn't like Jjaw as a WR,but I will not bash him at TE until I msee him there

Right...you and I wouldn't call Sanders a stud... but a guy on here who distracted you with a college kid getting booed has repeatedly said Sanders is an elite talent.   And he prefers the Shady type,  one stud at RB thing over the committee.

If his QB is stepping onto the field with a better group,  more his style than 2017...    then all signs point to a record breaking year.   The previous QB was going into year 2 ... lit up defenses like Denver, Rams and Panthers... that's with zero intangibles and his teammates hated him.     Imagine what a more experienced and more popular QB can do with a better supporting cast.

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Where do you put Riddick in this formation? 

Either rushing the edge as a DE or not on the field…. Not saying we will use the 5-2 but that to me would be the biggest difference between a 5-2 look vs a 34 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right...you and I wouldn't call Sanders a stud... but a guy on here who distracted you with a college kid getting booed has repeatedly said Sanders is an elite talent.   And he prefers the Shady type,  one stud at RB thing over the committee.

If his QB is stepping onto the field with a better group,  more his style than 2017...    then all signs point to a record breaking year.   The previous QB was going into year 2 ... lit up defenses like Denver, Rams and Panthers... that's with zero intangibles and his teammates hated him.     Imagine what a more experienced and more popular QB can do with a better supporting cast.

Biggest issue for me is,we now have WR's that can get open 60 yards downfield,can Hurts hit them? I kinda doubt it,so I suppose we see an offense based on a shorter game than I would like. I'm fine with 40 yard passes if we can do that consistently,but I don;t see a home run Bomb by Hurts. We should be really terrific with the short/move the sticks game. I love that nice grinding offense(although I love my bomb passers) that control the tempo and keep opposing offenses(and our D) OFF the field. Hurts has all the tools to do that

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Biggest issue for me is,we now have WR's that can get open 60 yards downfield,can Hurts hit them? I kinda doubt it,so I suppose we see an offense based on a shorter game than I would like. I'm fine with 40 yard passes if we can do that consistently,but I don;t see a home run Bomb by Hurts. We should be really terrific with the short/move the sticks game. I love that nice grinding offense(although I love my bomb passers) that control the tempo and keep opposing offenses(and our D) OFF the field. Hurts has all the tools to do that

It comes down to timing with a QB with Hurts arm strength…. Look at Brees he never had the biggest arm but he knew when to get the ball out and was one of the better deep ball throwers I can recall watching football. 

In case it matters,i DID have Jobe as a round 5 DB. We added alot fater the draft,maybe 1 steps up. We paid out more than usual to UDFA's so there was something there we wanted

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Either rushing the edge as a DE or not on the field…. Not saying we will use the 5-2 but that to me would be the biggest difference between a 5-2 look vs a 34 

I absolutely think we rush all 5 guys.  Pretty much the same as if you blitz the outside LB n a 4-3.  Regardless of semantics... however you all want to put it... I'm expecting more than 4 rushing the QB quite often now. 

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts has all the tools to do that

He isn’t accurate that generally the biggest tool for those QBs. Brady is probably the best example of this but can even look at a guy like Alex Smith. Accurate guys placed the ball well and gave WR opportunity to make plays after the catch. 
 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It comes down to timing with a QB with Hurts arm strength…. Look at Brees he never had the biggest arm but he knew when to get the ball out and was one of the better deep ball throwers I can recall watching football. 

OH I saw him (Brees) unload a few 60's before, so not sure he didn't have it in him. Just conserving it maybe. If Hurts can toss 50's with accuracy,I am fine with that

Just now, joemas6 said:

I absolutely think we rush all 5 guys.  Pretty much the same as if you blitz the outside LB n a 4-3.  Regardless of semantics... however you all want to put it... I'm expecting more than 4 rushing the QB quite often now. 

Seems to me there is no reason to have a "set" plan. We have lots of versatile guys now and we can change up what we need to do depending on the opposition

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It comes down to timing with a QB with Hurts arm strength…. Look at Brees he never had the biggest arm but he knew when to get the ball out and was one of the better deep ball throwers I can recall watching football. 

Great comparison...but Brees had a little better arm in his younger days for sure.  

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He isn’t accurate that generally the biggest tool for those QBs. Brady is probably the best example of this but can even look at a guy like Alex Smith. Accurate guys placed the ball well and gave WR opportunity to make plays after the catch. 
 

GB means...tools as in teammates 

Just now, joemas6 said:

I absolutely think we rush all 5 guys.  Pretty much the same as if you blitz the outside LB n a 4-3.  Regardless of semantics... however you all want to put it... I'm expecting more than 4 rushing the QB quite often now. 

Like saying a 34 is the same as a 43 because you blitz and OLB.

Its football can’t really do anything different the names are different for how the players line up that’s it.

3-4 you have 3 down linemen 4 LBs 

43- 4 down linemen 3 LB

5-2 5 down linemen 2 LBs 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Great comparison...but Brees had a little better arm in his younger days for sure.  

I said similar not exact lol  Brees was never Farve 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Seems to me there is no reason to have a "set" plan. We have lots of versatile guys now and we can change up what we need to do depending on the opposition

Right... the flexibility a 3-4 gives you if used properly is awesome.   You need to make all 7 guys a threat to rush though.  

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He isn’t accurate that generally the biggest tool for those QBs. Brady is probably the best example of this but can even look at a guy like Alex Smith. Accurate guys placed the ball well and gave WR opportunity to make plays after the catch. 
 

Maybe he got the timing down working with brown,that would be my assumption. And 900+ for Smith as a rookie isn't terrible. Pascal should at least be reliable and Quez can step it up a bit too when called on

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

GB means...tools as in teammates

yes,that's what I meant

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe he got the timing down working with brown,that would be my assumption. And 900+ for Smith as a rookie isn't terrible. Pascal should at least be reliable and Quez can step it up a bit too when called on

He worked with all his weapons last year for an entire offseason and brought out players to have catches with him and the accuracy wasn’t there…. I wouldn’t be banking on seeing Hurts being that different this season 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right... the flexibility a 3-4 gives you if used properly is awesome.   You need to make all 7 guys a threat to rush though.  

Yeah I was pushing for a blitzing type hard hitting S,but this could work with the LB overload

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He worked with all his weapons last year for an entire offseason and brought out players to have catches with him and the accuracy wasn’t there…. I wouldn’t be banking on seeing Hurts being that different this season 

Welp,then we will know for SURE it's time to move on. IDK that we would have gotten him if the tape was that bad

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Like saying a 34 is the same as a 43 because you blitz and OLB.

Its football can’t really do anything different the names are different for how the players line up that’s it.

3-4 you have 3 down linemen 4 LBs 

43- 4 down linemen 3 LB

5-2 5 down linemen 2 LBs 

No...  not saying it's the same 3-4 to 4-3. Different players involved in the scheme and different gaps.  But 5-2 to 3-4 pretty much functions the same.  It's why you call guys " edge" now. The two guys coming off the edge....Graham,Cole and Barwin before...  I  mean is it different than Graham or Sweat ??   Pretty much the same.   It functions as a 5 man line vs thr run.    What we hope is now they rush both guys more than.... Billy Davis.      I expect Riddick to be rushing from one side for sure.  They better not take him out after paying him.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp,then we will know for SURE it's time to move on. IDK that we would have gotten him if the tape was that bad

I’m going off just last year this was a guy that wasn’t accurate and missed numerous wide open targets throughout the year. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

No...  not saying it's the same 3-4 to 4-3. Different players involved in the scheme and different gaps.  But 5-2 to 3-4 pretty much functions the same.  It's why you call guys " edge" now. The two guys coming off the edge....Graham,Cole and Barwin before...  I  mean is it different than Graham or Sweat ??   Pretty much the same.   It functions as a 5 man line vs thr run.    What we hope is now they rush both guys more than.... Billy Davis.      I expect Riddick to be rushing from one side for sure.  They better not take him out after paying him.

What ever you say Joe what ever makes you happy 

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I said similar not exact lol  Brees was never Farve 

Right...that's why I said good comparison.   Just making the point that Hurts doesn't have as strong of an arm.  Plus we could add it was 2004 instead of 2020.  Arms should get stronger.  But Brees would definitely be the style of throwing Hurts needs to follow 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’m going off just last year this was a guy that wasn’t accurate and missed numerous wide open targets throughout the year. 

Well he worked with Brown alot THIS off season and now he is on the team. I mean I can throw to Cooper Kupp,but then I have to throw to Jjaw,it's not the same. So hopefully that worked out for us some and if it was really obvious to Brown,that Hurts sucked terribly,he would have gone elsewhere,so there SHOULD be at least SOMETHING there(OR the hope we get a top Qb next year)

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-2022-nfl-draft-recap-what-philadelphia-didnt-achieve-and-one-thing-they-definitely-got-right/

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’m going off just last year this was a guy that wasn’t accurate and missed numerous wide open targets throughout the year. 

What ever you say Joe what ever makes you happy 

My high school team played 3-4...really since I was watching my older cousin play when I was 5.   We called what you would call the OLB....a DE. (Graham, Cole, Barwin..Barkin... hopefully Riddick now) We looked at it as a 5 man line.  It's what it functions like vs the run, those guys play vs the OTs most of the time.  

Whatever you want to call it... I hope we can agree that we don't want to see Graham, Sweat, Riddick drop back in coverage like Billy Davis had those guys do way too much.   Just awful

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He worked with all his weapons last year for an entire offseason and brought out players to have catches with him and the accuracy wasn’t there…. I wouldn’t be banking on seeing Hurts being that different this season 

I agree... but we can also agree that with one more year of building those intangibles...and the addition of Brown.   No more excuses.  We should see very good passing stats and a lot of points on the scoreboard.  And if not... you and I...along with GB and most others... aren't looking to blame the coach first.