20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I see superior others. They weren’t drafted after Hurts though. That’s all I said.

Lmao 🤣 the fact you have to limit to after Hurts was drafted says it all sad…. 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 🤣 the fact you have to limit to after Hurts was drafted says it all sad…. 

That the whole 2020 draft without first rounders. The whole 2021 draft. The whole 2022 draft. That’s a bunch of draft picks since a guy that sucks. Guess he doesn’t actually suck as bad as you’re making it out.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Took over a 3 win team and then the team deliberately tanked a game. But let’s hold all that against him. We drastically improved in pretty much every way in Hurts first year starting vs ‘the franchise guy.’

QB A was on an equally as bad team what’s your point…. And we improved in every way under Hurts because we had better weapons and a healthy OL 

The franchise guy best WR was Fulgham and Ward…. One isn’t even with the team and the rarely saw the field 

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m sure some excuse will be made for any top teams we beat. Not looking like too many top teams currently.

No excuses... simply beat a 9 win team that their starting QB was in the lineup.  Then it's a first since Buffalo in Oct 2019.  

I mean, it's not really complicated or n excuse.    We didn't make an excuse for Buffalo with those 30 mph winds did we?  

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Took over a 3 win team and then the team deliberately tanked a game. But let’s hold all that against him. We drastically improved in pretty much every way in Hurts first year starting vs ‘the franchise guy.’

Congrats... let's see what 2022 brings... if it's enough for Lurie and Howie to decide to pay him.    Those two are the ones that decide... all the stats any of us want to try to spin one way or the other aren't going to matter. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That the whole 2020 draft without first rounders. The whole 2021 draft. The whole 2022 draft. That’s a bunch of draft picks since a guy that sucks. Guess he doesn’t actually suck as bad as you’re making it out.

Lmao 🤣 the fact you have to remove guys is sad to start with 

So he isn’t the best guy in the 2020 class 

He wasn’t better then Mac Jones and played on par with David Mills who was on a worse team. And Trey lance looked far better in 3 games as a rookie then Hurts as a rookie in the same  number of games I’m willing to bet he takes a huge leap this year as the starter. 

and you judging 2022 QBs that haven’t even played yet and calling them better lmao I’m willing to bet Kenny Pickett looks way better then Hurts did as a rookie 

 

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 🤣 the fact you have to limit to after Hurts was drafted says it all sad…. 

I think that actually makes the opposite case.   The easy spin there is what I believe Stine was trying to say..   Basically Hurts is here starting because there haven't been any good options to draft the last couple of years as compared to using the picks for Smith, Davis...etc.

44 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Any predictions this year on record? Fairly easy schedule again, but most teams shouldn't be hampered with injuries when we play them like last year. I'm hoping for a 9-10 win season. We will know about Hurts after only a few weeks in I would think

  Well, I feel we should be somewhere between 7-10 again. We still have lots of work to do on the defensive side of the ball. Offensively we are set, QB an all!

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m sure some excuse will be made for any top teams we beat. Not looking like too many top teams currently.

yeah fairly easy schedule

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That the whole 2020 draft without first rounders. The whole 2021 draft. The whole 2022 draft. That’s a bunch of draft picks since a guy that sucks. Guess he doesn’t actually suck as bad as you’re making it out.

Hard to know until we see Love and Lance get a chance to play

21 minutes ago, stine said:

  Well, I feel we should be somewhere between 7-10 again. We still have lots of work to do on the defensive side of the ball. Offensively we are set, QB an all!

Seems we are still in the hunt for a FA S or CB. I hope we can snag one. That would help alot

22 minutes ago, stine said:

  Well, I feel we should be somewhere between 7-10 again. We still have lots of work to do on the defensive side of the ball. Offensively we are set, QB an all!

I'm going with 9 wins. If the teams we face are at 100% I would consider that a "win" as far as progressing goes

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

No excuses... simply beat a 9 win team that their starting QB was in the lineup.  Then it's a first since Buffalo in Oct 2019.  

I mean, it's not really complicated or n excuse.    We didn't make an excuse for Buffalo with those 30 mph winds did we?  

It is a bit complicated actually. We had a whole new regime a team last year. But the schedule was front loaded with the top teams early. Dallas at the end the only one fitting your criteria. We chose not to really play in that game. Is Jameis Winston some amazing Qb? I’d say heck no. Their D is really good and we beat them. Their dropoff at QB from Winston to Hill? I’d say pretty minor. Sone teams would had a winning record had we not beat them. But looking at the early schedule peak….not many opportunities this year either. If we win the division and win most all those games we’ll keep those guys out of your criteria. 

So we have to beat the Packers or Colts. The only two games that could meet your criteria this season potentially. Both old QBs need to play that day also. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 🤣 the fact you have to remove guys is sad to start with 

So he isn’t the best guy in the 2020 class 

He wasn’t better then Mac Jones and played on par with David Mills who was on a worse team. And Trey lance looked far better in 3 games as a rookie then Hurts as a rookie in the same  number of games I’m willing to bet he takes a huge leap this year as the starter. 

and you judging 2022 QBs that haven’t even played yet and calling them better lmao I’m willing to bet Kenny Pickett looks way better then Hurts did as a rookie 

 

I didn’t remove any guys. I said everybody. He’s been the best. Not even close to me even with Bellicheat milking Mac for every dink and dunk he could get. Thought Jones showed himself a legit starter. Not nearly as good as our Qb though.

We have a top half of the league QB. We just need him to keep growing and improving. Not sure what you’ve heard or watching if you doubt the guy is working hard to improve. So that seems like a given.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

No excuses... simply beat a 9 win team that their starting QB was in the lineup.  Then it's a first since Buffalo in Oct 2019.  

I mean, it's not really complicated or n excuse.    We didn't make an excuse for Buffalo with those 30 mph winds did we?  

You’re the only one making excuses. It’s the NFL. They give your schedule. You deal with that as it comes. Snow Bowl. Shady ran all over the place. No excuses. Gotta win each week whether you aren’t 100 percent. They aren’t 100 percent. Or the weather isn’t perfect. Your record is what it is and who you are and were as a team. This is big boy football. Not Ohio St playing Appalachian St West at home all season.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah fairly easy schedule

Yep easy target for haters to downplay any of our successes.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re the only one making excuses. It’s the NFL. They give your schedule. You deal with that as it comes. Snow Bowl. Shady ran all over the place. No excuses. Gotta win each week whether you aren’t 100 percent. They aren’t 100 percent. Or the weather isn’t perfect. Your record is what it is and who you are and were as a team. This is big boy football. Not Ohio St playing Appalachian St West at home all season.

Ham, Joe was saying we did not beat anyone since 2019, so that was also before Hurts. He was just saying until we do beat someone with a winning record it means little. Just a statement and I tend to agree with him. What good does it do to make the playoffs as a 9 win team only to have another early exit because we cannot beat those teams?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Congrats... let's see what 2022 brings... if it's enough for Lurie and Howie to decide to pay him.    Those two are the ones that decide... all the stats any of us want to try to spin one way or the other aren't going to matter. 

He will have to absolutely blow everything away this year for them to pay him right after this season. I just don’t really see it as much of a possibility.

27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It is a bit complicated actually. We had a whole new regime a team last year. But the schedule was front loaded with the top teams early. Dallas at the end the only one fitting your criteria. We chose not to really play in that game. Is Jameis Winston some amazing Qb? I’d say heck no. Their D is really good and we beat them. Their dropoff at QB from Winston to Hill? I’d say pretty minor. Sone teams would had a winning record had we not beat them. But looking at the early schedule peak….not many opportunities this year either. If we win the division and win most all those games we’ll keep those guys out of your criteria. 

It's not complicated.   Beat a 9 win or better team with their starting QB.   That's it.  Doesn't matter who coaches, what the weather is, ...that's the criteria. 

2 minutes ago, stine said:

Ham, Joe was saying we did not beat anyone since 2019, so that was also before Hurts. He was just saying until we do beat someone with a winning record it means little. Just a statement and I tend to agree with him. What good does it do to make the playoffs as a 9 win team only to have another early exit because we cannot beat those teams?

100%.   Let's be honest...if we were in either Western division,  we wouldn't have made the playoffs since the SB.  We made it 3 out of the last 4 seasons with 9 wins.    That's not a shot at Hurts, Wentz, Foles or anyone...that's simply stating as a team,  we haven't beaten any quality opponents.  

Any win in the league is tough, that's a great cliché.    Within the parameters of the 32 teams ... we haven't beaten one in the top half in 3 years.  Two wins vs the Saints ...each time with their 3rd string QB playing on our field is pretty much the best wins in 3 years...and you know what the Hurts stans can say..  he got both of those.  The best 2 wins since October 2019. 

2 minutes ago, stine said:

Ham, Joe was saying we did not beat anyone since 2019, so that was also before Hurts. He was just saying until we do beat someone with a winning record it means little. Just a statement and I tend to agree with him. What good does it do to make the playoffs as a 9 win team only to have another early exit because we cannot beat those teams?

Because to me it has been used heavily against Hurts that we didn’t win early last season. That with new coaches and all these new players with Hurts just taking over. Lost to the Niners by six week two. Cowboys the hottest team early last seasonweek three (they all talked about winning the SB). KC week four, arguably the top team in the league last several years. And Tampa Bay the defending SB champs week six. We were just putting things together. Weren’t beating the early C-Boys, Chiefs or Bucs.  That’s was absolutely the best of the best. Weren't there yet for sure. Means pretty much nothing to me.

Now you can say what you want ..  but for teams with players such as Kelce, Lane, Cox...etc...I'm not lowering the bar.  That's almost 3 years....for those guys, leaders, vets, experienced...etc.  it's not simply a shot at the QBs.  

11 minutes ago, stine said:

Ham, Joe was saying we did not beat anyone since 2019, so that was also before Hurts. He was just saying until we do beat someone with a winning record it means little. Just a statement and I tend to agree with him. What good does it do to make the playoffs as a 9 win team only to have another early exit because we cannot beat those teams?

If we lost certain games those teams would have nine wins I will note. So we had something to do with that. But yeah….does anybody need a reminder about how terrible 2020 was before Hurts beat the Saints? I will say it felt like I was the only one complaining consistently those seasons going into that.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He will have to absolutely blow everything away this year for them to pay him right after this season. I just don’t really see it as much of a possibility.

That's what the league does....especially the process the Eagles like to follow.  McNabb, Vick, Wentz all got their $$ early. Very rarely do they let anyone they actually want to keep...go into the final year of their deals.  Especially the positions that are paid the most.   We have seen this for decades. 

And does Hurts have to blow them away?   Why wouldn't he?  What would the excuse be not to?  OL?  weapons?  No threat of a running game to hold off the rush?     No excuses...look around the NFC and tell me which QB has a better set up?  I like Tampa's WR duo better,  but what else do they have outside of QB?    Rams same situation.  Who else?   It's time now. The work was put in and more is getting put in...so let's see the results.