4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody is panicking. I’m just alone, once again, questioning these draft picks. Traded out if one first rounder(yet many ready to judge this team regardless). But Jergens has sone legit question marks to ponder here. He wasn’t my first choice. We’ll see how he looks against pros on the PS. Problems with your feet is serious. Still learning to snap if you only got drafted to play C in the NFL is a problem. We could use him to play G first. But he doesn’t have much strength for that position. Just bringing up what I’d consider to be the obvious. Some  reason nobody else here seems at all concerned with any of that.

Idk ...why wasn't any of this brought up in the draft profile?   Are you getting all your info from " Observations from rookie Minicamp" ?  

If so...could be that maybe nobody else on here is actually spending time on that right now?   I know I'm not... but apparently I made my post about Strong and you were talking about calling a play in the huddle at rookie camp which I knew nothing about??  

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It was an obvious move….to bring in QB1 friend to save the day after we struck out in every other way.

Obvious move...if/when we move on from Hurts.   

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t want to label him as can’t do it …so much. But it is clearly a concern that Georgia took him off the field on those downs. There were better looking pass rush options that normally we would have gone for first. I hope he can evolve that part of his game. I don’t think he was drafted that high on his pass rush however. I think we moved up early in the first round to get a run stopper. That’s not the norm for us in any way, shape or form. Going heavy after LB is not our norm either. All for a DC that everyone expects to be short term. A NT and pass rush LBs was the offseason plan. I’ll judge on how it pays off. A bit skeptical. I had other thoughts but will let it play out to see it implemented to fully judge.

Ehhh..every so often we spend a little for LB.   Certainly a 3rd round pick is the norm.   It's not like  drafted Dean in the 1st round. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sounds mostly 3-4 principle to me. NT and rush LBs….hmmmm….seems fairly obvious.

Like I was saying I think we’ll see more 5-2 looks also.

Didn't they say the other day they were going 3-4?   I saw on TV where they said that the players mentioned it.  I'm assuming 3-4 has been the idea all along???  

24 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We need emergency WR's?? Jjaw had his shot,he either cuts it as a TE or I say goodbye

You can use four WR formations. How many WR can you dress on Gameday though? Need ST. Need backup TE, especially if you plan on two TE formations. Just saying: JJAW is excellent at ST. He’s learning the TE rolls. So he could be emergency TE or WR is his value on Gameday.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sounds mostly 3-4 principle to me. NT and rush LBs….hmmmm….seems fairly obvious.

Like I was saying I think we’ll see more 5-2 looks also.

Just to clarify ... because you know I'm supposed to be the guy who oversimplified stuff.   You guys are the technical experts 

Rewind..   Graham,  Cox, Logan, Thornton, Cole.      When the Eagles played 3/4 under Chip Kelly.     Why wouldn’t that be considered a 5-2?    Graham and Cole were DEs in the 4-3.   They set the edges vs the run.    So why was that a 3-4....but now it's going to be a 5-2 with Reddick and Sweat?

28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We need emergency WR's?? Jjaw had his shot,he either cuts it as a TE or I say goodbye

Could he be the fifth WR, third TE and play all ST? Gives some roster flexibility to other spots. Just spitballing his possible usefulness.

Because you know Joe...they are completely 2 different defensive fronts ....you should educate yourself more about the game. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

Ham, Georgia had like 7 D-Lineman that could all start. So, what they did was spread out the snaps so all could play and be fresh. Seems a no brainer that Davis played mainly on run downs as he was best at it. I am not sure if he will be OK with rushing the passer or not, but I would not assume he cannot do it just because Georgia did not use him as such. Heck, how many D-Players got drafted from that team?

I think this a fair line of thinking. Still drafted that high….and the fact is he did come off on passing downs. We’ll see. I’m just questioning the obvious here. Think Gannon was desperate for a NT to run his D off. So think that was the priority. You make good points that many have brought up. But there is also the very real possibility the 340 pounder just isn’t a pass rusher.

25 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What was the context of that?    I saw that a lot had to do with Georgia showing that their top recruits get playing time early in their careers rather than just playing the older guys.  

The context was he played the early downs and came off in passing situations. A traditional NT. Georgia D was stacked with talent like crazy. Like Stine was saying they rotated guys in. But it doesn’t really change what his role was for them. Now if they had no other options how good would he have been rushing the passer? That’s the question yet to be answered. Hard for me to believe they traded up to draft him that early over his pass rushing though. He’s athletic for a big guy. So not out of the realm of possibility. But we drafted a Nose….if you want to believe he has pass rushing upside…go for it. We’ll see….haven’t yet though for sure.

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk ...why wasn't any of this brought up in the draft profile?   Are you getting all your info from " Observations from rookie Minicamp" ?  

If so...could be that maybe nobody else on here is actually spending time on that right now?   I know I'm not... but apparently I made my post about Strong and you were talking about calling a play in the huddle at rookie camp which I knew nothing about??  

Might have to dig a bit deeper than NFL.com draft profile to find out all about these players.

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Obvious move...if/when we move on from Hurts.   

AJ wouldn’t be here if the plan was move on from Hurts. QB1 made it happen. We really struck out on so sosooooo many other avenues this offseason.

29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ehhh..every so often we spend a little for LB.   Certainly a 3rd round pick is the norm.   It's not like  drafted Dean in the 1st round. 

Reddick, after we got Johnson last year. Then Dean, Kyron…..kept Avery last year….Ostman. Pretty solid investment overall.

Kyzir

Drafted two and our only two FA were LB.

55 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Depends who we play,we can game plan a 34 or 43 depending on the opponent

Sounds great. We will be the best at twenty different defenses. Seems easy.

35 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Didn't they say the other day they were going 3-4?   I saw on TV where they said that the players mentioned it.  I'm assuming 3-4 has been the idea all along???  

I’ve been talking about it all offseason. But Siri and the guys are being tight lipped about it. You know how Siri is about this stuff already. Reddick and Graham leaked we have the DE and OLB in their own separate room however. So it’s one of those worst kept secret situations.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sounds great. We will be the best at twenty different defenses. Seems easy.

What I gather is that the D won't have a real identity. I think Gannon wants the flexibility to throw any alignment he wants based on personnel, opponent and field position. 

33 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just to clarify ... because you know I'm supposed to be the guy who oversimplified stuff.   You guys are the technical experts 

Rewind..   Graham,  Cox, Logan, Thornton, Cole.      When the Eagles played 3/4 under Chip Kelly.     Why wouldn’t that be considered a 5-2?    Graham and Cole were DEs in the 4-3.   They set the edges vs the run.    So why was that a 3-4....but now it's going to be a 5-2 with Reddick and Sweat?

Not sure I remember that under Billy Davis. Thought Cole was retired. Graham was the rush OLB under Davis/Chipper/your boy.

Just now, EaglesTD123 said:

What I gather is that the D won't have a real identity. I think Gannon wants the flexibility to throw any alignment he wants based on personnel, opponent and field position. 

I can appreciate the thought. Reality seems to me like we are pursuing a very specific plan. Saw how Gannon wanted to run two high S early on but it failed. Probably because we were poor against the run. Gravedigger had a bad run grade last year. Cox a pretty down year and seemed like he didn’t always do his job and wanted to pass rush and get up field. So we moved up and took a massive NT to anchor against the run. Gives Gannon his flexibility. He can utilize his outside rushers and coverage over the top. Just my read from the tea leaves here.

57 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can use four WR formations. How many WR can you dress on Gameday though? Need ST. Need backup TE, especially if you plan on two TE formations. Just saying: JJAW is excellent at ST. He’s learning the TE rolls. So he could be emergency TE or WR is his value on Gameday.

Sure we need 3 TE's just saying one of them doesn't have to be Jjaw.Just trying to get their draft mileage out of him is not a recipe for success

58 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can use four WR formations. How many WR can you dress on Gameday though? Need ST. Need backup TE, especially if you plan on two TE formations. Just saying: JJAW is excellent at ST. He’s learning the TE rolls. So he could be emergency TE or WR is his value on Gameday.

I don't need emergency WR's. If we lose 4 of them,we're gonna suck period

56 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Could he be the fifth WR, third TE and play all ST? Gives some roster flexibility to other spots. Just spitballing his possible usefulness.

Was never a fan,may not be a fan at TE either.I will see how that goes,but seems to me he was drafted as a WR and couldn't cut it there as we got him for his "block out" ability which never panned,but is now essential at TE,so why would he be better as a TE if he can't do what we drafted him for?.if he is the best TE 3 keep him,but I suspect he isn't

To me it’s just obvious that a guy practicing and playing in a Wide Nine upfield penetration attack most all the time will be best at it. You ask him to drop back in pass coverage also. Play over top the T for the run or to rush. That’s all practice time and focus. So a guy that concentrates on strictly penetrating will be better at it than a guy trying to be Jack-Of-All-Trades. 
    Now some guys might be best at being versatile and being Jack of all trade more than elite at one thing. So go for it and utilize that. There are also very special players that are exceptions to the rules like Jenkins was for us. He could clearly handle all the roles.

59 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Could he be the fifth WR, third TE and play all ST? Gives some roster flexibility to other spots. Just spitballing his possible usefulness.

How many ST players do we need??????

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

He is just a hard worker. The kind of guy you root for and just know he will improve.

I think he commands a DT or even a TT, that opens up things. One on one I suspect he would play pass rush on down 3? IDK why Georgia took him out,but that's past college history. i want to see how WE use him and I doubt we would move up in round 1 for a 2 down run stuffer

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Because you know Joe...they are completely 2 different defensive fronts ....you should educate yourself more about the game. 

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