1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Shew and Mayfield are downgrades. Why would you deliberately downgrade? I told you guys Wilson would never come here. Can’t exactly say who that guy will be. But I do feel a couple will shake free. Brady I don’t think is what we’d look for. Let the season play out. We’ll see which QBs get pissed off enough at their coach, GM, city….whatever. I don’t want to go the Wentz or Ryan route. That’s why I’ve been saying Hurts has been the best option we could have. Rosie clearly has looked into every player. If you can’t upgrade Hurts then he’s your guy. His first year starting he proved himself a starter level QB. I expect he improves this year. So the list of QBs better than him is a very exclusive list. So good luck getting Mahomes, Allen, Or the number one pick. We can win ….and win big with Hurts. He hasn’t earned fifty mil a year yet….that’s for sure. So we’ll let things play out. But you gotta build a team around him. Watch how much Smitty makes Hurts look better this year. AJ will make everybody look better. You want to blitz and press…..he’ll punish you for it. We just need Hurts to get him the ball. I believe there are tons of ways to win in the NFL. Everybody so caught up on having the best QB. Sure it would be nice. How many picks you willing to give up for this though? Still no guarantees. Hurts has set the bar on upgrading him pretty solid. I expect that bar to raise again this year. So basically you are only talking the elite QBs ahead of him.    Or he gets injured in TC 🤣

So if "a couple should shake free" you are now admitting Hurts isn't the guy

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many picks you willing to give up for this though?

Howie has already set us up with 2 round 1 picks next draft,so the answer is ONE if we think we found a franchise QB. Doesn't have to be the supposed top 2 either,there are 2-3 other QB's who could be worthy without spending ANY picks

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So if "a couple should shake free" you are now admitting Hurts isn't the guy

I am willing to upgrade any player, coach, GM, medical staff…..the key is upgrade…and the cost. PFF has Hurts ranked at 14. I was thinking slightly higher. But I feel extremely confident he will work hard and improve. A few older guys will retire. A few new guys will come in and light the league up. So finding an upgrade for Hurts is not a low bar. Add in he’s extremely young and has a long career potentially ahead of him….that moves him ahead of Matt Ryan, ARod, Brady….honestly I’m not sure Russel Wilson has but so many years left. Derek Carr would be a tough choice. At this point I’d have to side with Carr. So it appears we are in a ‘love the one you’re with situation.’

To me Hurts doesn’t have to be the best Player in the league. He just needs to be able to get it done under the pressure of the big moments. He played in some big time games before coming here. He really rose our level of converting on the money third downs. He improved us big time in the Redzone. Even when he had a really poor game against the Giants….he drove down and threw two big time passes to Reagor for the win. I mean you want him to play better the whole game consistently, obviously. But when your struggling and pull it out your a22 at the end….that really meant a bunch to me. It’s early….he still has plenty to prove on this front…but all signs to me point to him being very good in the clutch. He’s super competitive. Hates losing with a passion. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie has already set us up with 2 round 1 picks next draft,so the answer is ONE if we think we found a franchise QB. Doesn't have to be the supposed top 2 either,there are 2-3 other QB's who could be worthy without spending ANY picks

So your plan is take a gamble with a first round pick on a QB? To me if he’s so clearly worth it…you have to trade up. And are you willing for that first round pick to have to fight and earn the starting job? Or you just going to gift it to him? My point is it has to be upgrading over Hurts.

My early watch guy is the Boston College QB. He showed some quality. The UVA guy interests me as a backup.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie has already set us up with 2 round 1 picks next draft,so the answer is ONE if we think we found a franchise QB. Doesn't have to be the supposed top 2 either,there are 2-3 other QB's who could be worthy without spending ANY picks

This is answer is vague for a reason. You just spitballing that maybe two or three other QBs will be good. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I am willing to upgrade any player, coach, GM, medical staff…..the key is upgrade…and the cost. PFF has Hurts ranked at 14. I was thinking slightly higher. But I feel extremely confident he will work hard and improve. A few older guys will retire. A few new guys will come in and light the league up. So finding an upgrade for Hurts is not a low bar. Add in he’s extremely young and has a long career potentially ahead of him….that moves him ahead of Matt Ryan, ARod, Brady….honestly I’m not sure Russel Wilson has but so many years left. Derek Carr would be a tough choice. At this point I’d have to side with Carr. So it appears we are in a ‘love the one you’re with situation.’

Well that's a "DUH" because that's what all teams try to do. But you have to get upgrades that also FIT or they are not upgrades,merely wastes of money

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is answer is vague for a reason. You just spitballing that maybe two or three other QBs will be good. 

LMAO nothing vague about it. There are 4-5 QB's, if they all play well this season they will all be in round 1. WTH is vague about that???? What's vague is you saying there are only 2, when you are mistaken

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me Hurts doesn’t have to be the best Player in the league

Don't worry he's not. He isn't even the best QB,he is a placeholder. Ranked middle of the pack in about every site I can think of

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me Hurts doesn’t have to be the best Player in the league. He just needs to be able to get it done under the pressure of the big moments. He played in some big time games before coming here. He really rose our level of converting on the money third downs. He improved us big time in the Redzone. Even when he had a really poor game against the Giants….he drove down and threw two big time passes to Reagor for the win. I mean you want him to play better the whole game consistently, obviously. But when your struggling and pull it out your a22 at the end….that really meant a bunch to me. It’s early….he still has plenty to prove on this front…but all signs to me point to him being very good in the clutch. He’s super competitive. Hates losing with a passion. 

How did we manage to get behind a crap team like the gnats? Why do we need a "comeback" if we are playing good ball all game? Playing good teams.we can't play like crap for 45 minutes and ok for 15

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are just Hurts hating

I’m not value passing in my QBs not running it’s that simple. 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now Hurts has the legit WR room.

His WR room wasn’t bad last season he had Smith 900 yards Quez 650 yards and Geodart 850 yards that better then at least 15 other teams so he had a top 15 group stop with this sorry ass excuse for his passing 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You don’t or won’t see how Hurts elite rushing effects the game.

Because it didn’t when it mattered vs winning teams you don’t or won’t see that we couldn’t beat anyone of importance 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Even when he had a really poor game against the Giants….he drove down and threw two big time passes to Reagor for the win. I mean you want him to play better the whole game consistently, obviously. But when your struggling and pull it out your a22 at the end….that really meant a bunch to me.

This is just the saddest example you put stock in this moment I don’t. Should never been in that situation we clearly outmatched the Giants and for 6 qtrs through two games we struggled…. If the giants had ANY type of offense we got destroyed in both games.

We were able to win one and keep the other close because the opponent sucked not because of Hurts grit or our team. 
 

It just highlights why Hurts running isn’t as valuable as the ABILITY TO PASS and why i value Mac Jones and David Mills and lot of others over him 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Lawrence spent all season checking down. Hurts checked down the least.

This is the terrible comment. Checking down and knowing when to isn’t some negative comment. 

#2 of the least likely to check down list Tua #3 Nick Mullins, Trubisky at #4

Checkdowns #2 Mike Glennon #3 Derek Carr #4 Matt Ryan. 
 

The issue isn’t checking down it’s knowing when to check down and when to take shots it’s a balance 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He has an elite coach to help him. But yeah….I don’t see it as he had a better season.

Sure he had a great defensive minded HC to help him and a terrible supporting cast. While Hurts had an O minded HC who did damn well plus a far better supporting cast of players.

Bet Mac Jones would love to have had a Smith, Quez and Geodart 

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wilson and Lawrence I think we all expect to be better than Hurts.

This comment right here speaks volumes. The fact that you expect them to be better then Hurts says everything. And both guys are in WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY worse situations with there teams then Hurts with the Eagles.

Both guys have worse OLs, worse WRs, worse ground games, worse TEs and the expectations are they are still going to be better. 
 

This is why I think drafting a QB makes the most sense with the Eagles

A. FO does amazing job at scouting QBs they have drafted two QBs Mcnabb and Wentz we can pinpoint the character flaws with Wentz sure but the talent level was shown in full display in 2017. Mcnabb still the best Eagles QB of all time.

B. Rookie QB with a higher ceiling then Hurts would be walking into a great situation he is going to have two very good WRs, great OL, strong ground game, great TE…. Oh then Quez as a 3rd WR option. 
 

C. On top of all that your still not spending 35+m on the QB position for the next 4 years. 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me Hurts doesn’t have to be the best Player in the league. He just needs to be able to get it done under the pressure of the big moments.

No he doesn’t have to be the best player in the league but he does have to be among the best in the league. 

Fans crying about last years group of playmakers around him what happens when your paying him 40+m????

Your not going to be able to have AJ Brown, Smith, Geodart, Quez.

I can’t wrap my head around wanting to settle for a middle of the pack QB at best. I’d much rather swing for the fences and fail then sitting with Mr. Avg. overpaying him just to make the playoffs for the next decade but no real chance at winning it all

 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO nothing vague about it. There are 4-5 QB's, if they all play well this season they will all be in round 1. WTH is vague about that???? What's vague is you saying there are only 2, when you are mistaken

There are only two at this point. Of coarse that can change. Spencer was the Heisman favorite expected to be the number one pick….then bombed and was benched.

How damning is the playcalling situation for Siri? He was terrible at it. 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Don't worry he's not. He isn't even the best QB,he is a placeholder. Ranked middle of the pack in about every site I can think of

That’s pretty good at 23.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How did we manage to get behind a crap team like the gnats? Why do we need a "comeback" if we are playing good ball all game? Playing good teams.we can't play like crap for 45 minutes and ok for 15

Just reality. You aren’t going to be on top of your game every week. Just loads of mistakes in that game. I’d also give the Giants credit for coming with a good game plan against us. Division rivals the way they prepare for each other you can usually pretty much throw out records. 

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

His WR room wasn’t bad last season he had Smith 900 yards Quez 650 yards and Geodart 850 yards that better then at least 15 other teams so he had a top 15 group stop with this sorry ass excuse for his passing 

Top 15 hahaha. Probably the fifth worst WR room in the league. Quez didn’t ascend to number two until midseason. So you have to factor in that Reagor was Hurts number two WR for the other half. What were his stats? Yeah…exactly.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Because it didn’t when it mattered vs winning teams you don’t or won’t see that we couldn’t beat anyone of importance 

Siri was terrible at playcalling clearly. Have you read the new articles out?