1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yeah my bar is higher than yours and always is

Just misplaced IMO. Winning is what’s most important. We could completely stack the offense and have a terrible defense. Score 34 points per game and have a losing record. Remember how the Lions were losing most every game to start the season but the top scoring offense? To me that’s failing. I’d rather score 10 points and win than 46 and lose.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

what is different between goal and standard?

Us arguing and debating so much about that subject

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Just misplaced IMO. Winning is what’s most important. We could completely stack the offense and have a terrible defense. Score 34 points per game and have a losing record. Remember how the Lions were losing most every game to start the season but the top scoring offense? To me that’s failing. I’d rather score 10 points and win than 46 and lose.

If you reach your GOAL/standard and score 32 PPG you will probably win most of those????

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just misplaced IMO. Winning is what’s most important. We could completely stack the offense and have a terrible defense. Score 34 points per game and have a losing record. Remember how the Lions were losing most every game to start the season but the top scoring offense? To me that’s failing. I’d rather score 10 points and win than 46 and lose.

32 was based on the TEAM we have NOW,not some hypothetical BS. If we're scoring 32 PPG and losing,yeah we got lots of work to do

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If you reach your GOAL/standard and score 32 PPG you will probably win most of those????

Lions did not

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Lions did not

Why do I give a rats ass what the Lions do? I was not evaluating the Lions,but subject change LOL

Standard …definition: used or accepted as normal or average.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do I give a rats ass what the Lions do? I was not evaluating the Lions

You just said if you score you win…they did exactly NOT win and scored 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Standard …definition: used or accepted as normal or average.

You just said if you score you win…they did exactly NOT win and scored 

Once again I was NOT evaluating the LIONS,why bring them up???  I was evaluating OUR team,schedule and defense

AND with the offense we put together now there was no reason not to score 32 per game 1 TD more than last year----- ONE

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

My standard is 32,my goal is 32,tell me the difference

So can you answer this question please?

So last year we scored 25.6 PPG. Sanders scored ZERO TD's He is almost getting the 1 TD more per game by himself. We also replaced loser Reagor with AJ, but 1 more TD per game can't be done? +16 TO ratio and it can't be done? Ok if you believe that then there is nothing to talk about. I'm out,not wasting my time with this

Goal…definition: the object of a person's ambition or effort; an aim or desired result.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AND with the offense we put together now there was no reason not to score 32 per game 1 TD more than last year----- ONE

Other than no team scored that much last year or this year. I just keep pointing out I don’t care that much about how many points we put on the board….as long as it’s more than the other guy. Winning is the goal for me.

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So can you answer this question please?

I provided the definition of each word for you to try and understand the difference 

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So last year we scored 25.6 PPG. Sanders scored ZERO TD's He is almost getting the 1 TD more per game by himself. We also replaced loser Reagor with AJ, but 1 more TD per game can't be done? +16 TO ratio and it can't be done? Ok if you believe that then there is nothing to talk about. I'm out,not wasting my time with this

I’ve never ever said it can’t be done

If I want to score 50 points per game or if my standard is 50 points per game…big difference. 

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AND with the offense we put together now there was no reason not to score 32 per game 1 TD more than last year----- ONE

Yes us dang Eagles and us winning…we suck!

We’ve scored more than every other team…but that’s not good enough evidently. We’ve only lost one game. But that’s not good enough either.

World Cup Final…up 2-1 you seem obsessed that what’s important is to score that third goal while in Extra Time. I think it’s kind of stupid to play that way. Be great if you get a breakaway or something snd close out the game beyond question. But just dumb to push all your players up to attack in that situation. I would lean towards keeping numbers back and defend. Try and hold the ball and play keep away. The point isn’t scoring a third goal. It’s winning the game. Do what’s best to accomplish winning the Championship..,.game…whatever. Win

FL I don’t know how or why we argue and disagree so much. I feel like I’m just stating the simple and obvious on much of this. Not even thinking it’s controversial.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And you know Joe is a big proponent of taking your foot off the gas and killing the clock(which is fine we just differ when that should happen) or we'd probably have that 32

I disagree with the idea of taking the foot off the gas...that it has anything to do with killing clock.  That was Andy Reid's issue.   You can run the ball and not take your foot off the gas.  You can stay in bounds and get tackled instead of going out of bounds... you can take a 1 yard sack instead of throwing the ball away on 3rd down.  You can take the play clock down close to 0 before you snap.

I differ with you that " managing the clock" means you have to stop scoring.   I view it as 2 different things.  

It's why I pointed out examples during this year where teams such as Baltimore and the Raiders lost big leads at the end. They scored,  but too quickly and let the opponent have more opportunities to put up points. 

You seem to think it's a choice....score or take time off the clock.  I'm saying you can do both. But if you don't score or score a FG...or score a TD...when you are ahead, you make sure you occupy the clock.  2 separate things.

Up two points at your own 35 yard line 4th down and 10 yards to go. Seems like you are advocating going for it just to score 32 points. If we have already scored 32 you’d punt. But if we only have 30 you’d go for it.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

what is different between goal and standard?

Standard = seen as normal or regular 

Goal = an ambition to achieve 

A Goal, you should set higher than you expect...a standard pretty much means you fail if you don't reach it.

Here I'd what I will say. To me, I don't care what the numbers say.. I need to see with the eye test and my gut, that an offense can score when it needs to.

I'll give an example. Ham loves thar flag football offense with Vick, Shady, DeSean and Maclin.  They put up points.. a lot when not necessary.  But give me the 2017 offense.  They may have not scored as much...but you could tell by the eye test they could score in more difficult and more important circumstances.    

This year vs last year. Forget the numbers.  This year can score when they need to,and can control the game.   Both this year and 2017 can score multiple ways, speed and power.  Size at WR, not just speed.

They don't need to score 32 in order to be 6 or 7 points better than last year's average.. you just know they are better by more than a score a game, just by watching. They can get the points when needed.  There won't be a Giants clunker this year.

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Up two points at your own 35 yard line 4th down and 10 yards to go. Seems like you are advocating going for it just to score 32 points. If we have already scored 32 you’d punt. But if we only have 30 you’d go for it.

You kick the 82 yard FG to try for 33 points... obvious call.  Bring out the mule!

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AND with the offense we put together now there was no reason not to score 32 per game 1 TD more than last year----- ONE

One reason is...our defense is much better.. so we won't need to score as much.   

47 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We’ve scored more than every other team…but that’s not good enough evidently. We’ve only lost one game. But that’s not good enough either.

But you are nervous about not getting the 1 seed? 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Standard = seen as normal or regular 

Goal = an ambition to achieve 

A Goal, you should set higher than you expect...a standard pretty much means you fail if you don't reach it.

Here I'd what I will say. To me, I don't care what the numbers say.. I need to see with the eye test and my gut, that an offense can score when it needs to.

I'll give an example. Ham loves thar flag football offense with Vick, Shady, DeSean and Maclin.  They put up points.. a lot when not necessary.  But give me the 2017 offense.  They may have not scored as much...but you could tell by the eye test they could score in more difficult and more important circumstances.    

This year vs last year. Forget the numbers.  This year can score when they need to,and can control the game.   Both this year and 2017 can score multiple ways, speed and power.  Size at WR, not just speed.

They don't need to score 32 in order to be 6 or 7 points better than last year's average.. you just know they are better by more than a score a game, just by watching. They can get the points when needed.  There won't be a Giants clunker this year.

So my goal is a higher standard,are we done pissing with this BS????