3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

One reason is...our defense is much better.. so we won't need to score as much.   

So that's a reason to lower your standards/goals(whatever the EFF you want to piss around calling it) for the offense? Why should I lower my standards based on the defense?

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

FL I don’t know how or why we argue and disagree so much. I feel like I’m just stating the simple and obvious on much of this. Not even thinking it’s controversial.

Flip it around the other way.... that also happens a lot when we make simple points and you do exactly the same thing. 

Cap management and writing contracts... it's different than player selection.  Everyone else gets it.... a simple point how one team hasn't had cap space to use and our team has.   How we use it is another subject..but it's been there to use.

This is prime example of you refusing to acknowledge this and doing exactly what you are saying GB is doing.

29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You can run the ball and not take your foot off the gas. 

You do this to burn the clock,hopefully score,but you aren't really pushing to score more. If you did you would keep the passing game going. You have reduced the risks, gone conservative so thats' what clock burning is to me and we will always disagree and there is no way we will convince each other otherwise

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Goal…definition: the object of a person's ambition or effort; an aim or desired result.

My desired result is 32 PPG. That is the standard I set

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Other than no team scored that much last year or this year. I just keep pointing out I don’t care that much about how many points we put on the board….as long as it’s more than the other guy. Winning is the goal for me.

Why do I care what happened last year????? 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So that's a reason to lower your standards/goals(whatever the EFF you want to piss around calling it) for the offense? Why should I lower my standards based on the defense?

You aren't lowering your standards.  Again...listen to what I'm saying.  Scoring when it matters is from the eye test and the gut.

You and I talked last year about how many garbage points did we get when we already lost.... that bring up the average.  But you know that we were absolutely NOT a 25 or 26 a game offense.   Come on now.

So this year it's a way more quality or meaningful average.  And I'm not even talking about 48.. 48 wasn't necessarily.  Garbage points to raise the average doesn't mean much in reality. 

This years offense is way better, the numbers really don't tell the story.

57 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We’ve scored more than every other team…but that’s not good enough evidently. We’ve only lost one game. But that’s not good enough either.

OK let's piss around and pick words out of sentences and waste everyones time instead of getting the general idea.Ok I'm game for that,be really careful with your wording from now on because I am going top pick every sentence apart

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This years offense is way better, the numbers really don't tell the story.

25.6 PPG last year. Sanders scored zero TD. If we played JUST as well as last year and he added 1 TD per game that is OVER 32 PPG(with the XP) Ontop of that we replaced Reagor with AJ. Ontop of THAT we assumed Hurts would be betterImpossible can't be done,we're dooooooomed. I should have settled for 25.7 PPG. My error. I need to set both goals and standards alot lower

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You do this to burn the clock,hopefully score,but you aren't really pushing to score more. If you did you would keep the passing game going. You have reduced the risks, gone conservative so thats' what clock burning is to me and we will always disagree and there is no way we will convince each other otherwise

Andy Reid mentality...it's why we lost plenty of games we shouldn't have.  You need to stop watching the fantasy football tracker and watch what is going on in the game.  We use the clock it also limits our own chances to score.  Up 3 scores... you use the clock...there is no " what if " they score...until they score.  If each time in the 2nd half you get the ball with a 3 score lead..you use clock each time.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

25.6 PPG last year. Sanders scored zero TD. If we played JUST as well as last year and he added 1 TD per game that is OVER 32 PPG(with the XP) Ontop of that we replaced Reagor with AJ. Impossible can't be done,we're dooooooomed

But do you really feel in your heart and brain...that we were a 25.6 point per game offense last year? Really?

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

One reason is...our defense is much better.. so we won't need to score as much.   

Different subject that is points allowed per game

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

25.6 PPG last year. Sanders scored zero TD. If we played JUST as well as last year and he added 1 TD per game that is OVER 32 PPG(with the XP) Ontop of that we replaced Reagor with AJ. Impossible can't be done,we're dooooooomed

I'm saying a lot of that was garbage... scored plenty of late game TDs when we were losing big.   Blew out some bad teams.

The points we are getting this year are much more meaningful.  Other than the garbage added today at the end

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

But do you really feel in your heart and brain...that we were a 25.6 point per game offense last year? Really?

We played trash teams and that's what we did. This years schedule,not alot harder,but we improved on offensive personnel(in my view) How many #1 RB's go all year with 0 TD's?

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I'm saying a lot of that was garbage... scored plenty of late game TDs when we were losing big.   Blew out some bad teams.

The points we are getting this year are much more meaningful.  Other than the garbage added today at the end

So we're not going to meet my goals,so what????? Why should I lower them?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Different subject that is points allowed per game

Yes... it's the same.   Remember when Indy with Manning and Saints with Brees would light up the scoreboard when each team had a brutal defense.  Defense got better they controlled the ball more and didn't need to score as much. That is how it works

I'm sorry,if you guys are happy winniing games 6-3 with all the offense we have,more power to you. I would not be happy with that if I was the FO

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We played trash teams and that's what we did. This years schedule,not alot harder,but we improved on offensive personnel(in my view) How many #1 RB's go all year with 0 TD's?

So we're not going to meet my goals,so what????? Why should I lower them?

Lol... now you are doing exactly what Ham does.  Change subject and spin.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... it's the same.   Remember when Indy with Manning and Saints with Brees would light up the scoreboard when each team had a brutal defense.  Defense got better they controlled the ball more and didn't need to score as much. That is how it works

Once again that is W/L,really not related to the scoring potential you have. I can score 56 and lose 58-56,but my offense did it's job and now it's the D(aka points against)

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Lol... now you are doing exactly what Ham does.  Change subject and spin.

Not spinning a thing,you are bringing in different subjects. My D can win or lose games that has zero to do with how many points my offense scores

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again that is W/L,really not related to the scoring potential you have. I can score 56 and lose 58-56,but my offense did it's job and now it's the D(aka points against)

But you aren't going to score 56 if your D gives us 7...  it's not college

Just now, joemas6 said:

But you aren't going to score 56 if your D gives us 7...  it's not college

Noone said it was college,I am using extremes so you understand. If my standard is 32 PPG and I lose 85-32 every game,the offense has reached the goal I set. Obviously the D is crap,but has no bearing on the scoring potential of the offense. So with what we have invested,if you are thrilled with winning 6-3,I'm happy for you. But I doubt the FO would be

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not spinning a thing,you are bringing in different subjects. My D can win or lose games that has zero to do with how many points my offense scores

SF stopped at 35 today, right after halftime... the game changes and you look to occupy the clock and get out without injury.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

SF stopped at 35 today, right after halftime... the game changes and you look to occupy the clock and get out without injury.

Is 35 more than 32?  why didn;t they stop at 21?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Noone said it was college,I am using extremes so you understand. If my standard is 32 PPG and I lose 85-32 every game,the offense has reached the goal I set. Obviously the D is crap,but has no bearing on the scoring potential of the offense. So with what we have invested,if you are thrilled with winning 6-3,I'm happy for you. But I doubt the FO would be

Right...on " potential "  absolutely correct...potential.   " REALITY" you aren't going to worry about it with a big lead. 

I think your starting point of 25.6 was bs to begin with...not your fault for looking at numbers...I'm just pointing out so many garbage points.  No way you can sat we are only 3 points better of an offense this year.  Come on now, to me it's night and day.

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm saying a lot of that was garbage... scored plenty of late game TDs when we were losing big.   Blew out some bad teams.

The points we are getting this year are much more meaningful.  Other than the garbage added today at the end

I'm not arguing this point at all. I agree. I felt that the improvements we madd would garner another TD per game,but obviously I set  that WAY to high(because are are 3 short now) OK I will be THRILLED with 25.7 PPG from now on

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right...on " potential "  absolutely correct...potential.   " REALITY" you aren't going to worry about it with a big lead. 

I think your starting point of 25.6 was bs to begin with...not your fault for looking at numbers...I'm just pointing out so many garbage points.  No way you can sat we are only 3 points better of an offense this year.  Come on now, to me it's night and day.

25.6 PPG is what we had last year(you can look it up)

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Is 35 more than 32?  why didn;t they stop at 21?

Because Tampa left guys open and didn't tackle...it's why we got 48 today.