13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think that's hard with the number of new linemen we were putting in the game. You are more apt to screw them up then the defense.

To me, the biggest change was that early in the game he was throwing with anticipation. The throws to Reagor and Goedert were A+ efforts. After that, I never saw it. On one play, he had a deep out to Fulgham that was just late, allowing the defender to make the play. It was a totally different throw than the one he made to Reagor earlier.

The old Wentz is still there. He just has to trust himself to make the throws, and his receivers to make the catches. To me, it's a confidence issue more than anything, and he isn't being helped by the playcalling. 

   To think that he cannot change the count because of new lineman is disaster in my mind. Listen, all of these guys are pros. Maybe they are not first string, but all have played enough this year to warrant changing the snap count. You are asking for trouble if you don't. These D-Linemen will anticipate the count and not give the line a chance to stop them.... I would much rather take my chances we go off sides a couple times then to take a certain sack....or 3

1 hour ago, stine said:

  He has 3 seconds most of the time. It may not look like it but all of the networks are saying the same thing. He is holding onto the ball too long...

Well since the league avg is 2.4 secs and the best team in the NFL is 2.7 the 3 plus seconds most of the time might be a little misleading, lol. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

He has to deliver the ball earlier and recognize what is happening around him. If it were me, I would make Hurts inactive the rest of the season, sending him a clear message that he is the guy.

Disagree with this part. Wentz is (supposedly) a professional and well paid athlete) Although I thought it was a stupid draft pick(because yeah that would bother me), Hurts doesn't play much. I'm not going to coddle my franchise QB, nor do I want another head case like agholor (who is playing well in LV now) In year 5 if Wentz doesn't understand whats happening around him by now,that was a bad draft pick also. ASG could be right,he never recouped from the concuss 

1 hour ago, stine said:

  Well, I agree that the Oline has had issues. But as a QB, how many seconds are you good with to have the O-Line keep you clean? Well, our misfit O-Line has repeatedly gave Wentz 3 plus seconds. That is not the problem, no matter how many times I hear it. Wentz holding onto the ball for over 3 seconds is an issue. Perfect example was when the defense stopped the Browns on the goal line. What is the one thing you want to do as a QB? NOT TAKE a SACK! Yet he has 3 open WR's, but holds onto the ball for over 3 seconds and takes a sack!! He has lost whatever edge he had in 2017. This is not going to be fixed in one game. Heck it may never be fixed at this point. Wentz needs someone in his ear ALL game long. Helping him and telling him to do this or that. He needs to relearn this offense.

    His confidence is shot. He is a shell of what he was and I feel bad for him. Not all of his fault, but he has not helped his cause. I keep hearing about having the coach call roll outs. Why cannot he just feel the pressure and roll out on his own? Russell does this, Rodgers does this. Heck so does Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Jones, Lock and every other QB in the league....

  Sure Doug could aid with a called roll out play, but it is not like Wentz is stuck in the pocket..........

Well said

41 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think that's hard with the number of new linemen we were putting in the game. You are more apt to screw them up then the defense.

To me, the biggest change was that early in the game he was throwing with anticipation. The throws to Reagor and Goedert were A+ efforts. After that, I never saw it. On one play, he had a deep out to Fulgham that was just late, allowing the defender to make the play. It was a totally different throw than the one he made to Reagor earlier.

The old Wentz is still there. He just has to trust himself to make the throws, and his receivers to make the catches. To me, it's a confidence issue more than anything, and he isn't being helped by the playcalling. 

Is he more afraid to throw because he doesn't trust his receivers, or because he is afraid of another pick added to his total?

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Well since the league avg is 2.4 secs and the best team in the NFL is 2.7 the 3 plus seconds most of the time might be a little misleading, lol. 

"Stat that best reflects Eagles' offensive issues: Carson Wentz has taken 33 sacks on plays where he's held the ball for 4+ seconds. That is 12 more than any QB. So many plays where he doesn't know where his answers are. Opposite of 2017. "

- Sheil Kapadia

 

   Not much misleading here. 4+ Seconds!!!

Just now, stine said:

"Stat that best reflects Eagles' offensive issues: Carson Wentz has taken 33 sacks on plays where he's held the ball for 4+ seconds. That is 12 more than any QB. So many plays where he doesn't know where his answers are. Opposite of 2017. "

- Sheil Kapadia

 

   Not much misleading here. 4+ Seconds!!!

Well true NFL stats prove that wrong

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm

PKTTime = Time in pocket from when the ball is snapped till the ball is thrown or sacked. So Sheil Kapadia is making stats up like 90% of the rest of the people out there. 

29 minutes ago, stine said:

   To think that he cannot change the count because of new lineman is disaster in my mind. Listen, all of these guys are pros. Maybe they are not first string, but all have played enough this year to warrant changing the snap count. You are asking for trouble if you don't. These D-Linemen will anticipate the count and not give the line a chance to stop them.... I would much rather take my chances we go off sides a couple times then to take a certain sack....or 3

QB is the leader. The linemen need to adjust to the QB, not the other way around. If the linemen can't adjust, replace them

Yes, the line sucks. He has plays where he needs to just unload the ball because of it. But to have 4 seconds and not find anyone is inexcusable! Add to the fact he is not even giving the line a chance by changing snap counts...... Wentz has been atrocious this year....

 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Well true NFL stats prove that wrong

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm

PKTTime = Time in pocket from when the ball is snapped till the ball is thrown or sacked. So Sheil Kapadia is making stats up like 90% of the rest of the people out there. 

  Key there is time until the ball is thrown. The QB may well have had another 2 seconds for all we know. Difference here is the QB gets rid of the ball quickly as he should....

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Well true NFL stats prove that wrong

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/advanced.htm

PKTTime = Time in pocket from when the ball is snapped till the ball is thrown or sacked. So Sheil Kapadia is making stats up like 90% of the rest of the people out there. 

Not what Stine is saying read it again, he takes SACKS when holding the ball for 4+ seconds. SO 1,2,3 throw,even if you have to throw it out of bounds

1 minute ago, stine said:

  Key there is time until the ball is thrown. The QB may well have had another 2 seconds for all we know. Difference here is the QB gets rid of the ball quickly as he should....

well since he is the most pressured QB and the most sacked QB(proven again by stats) that tells me he doesnt really have 2 more secs as you say "for all we know" lol. No, we know he has no time. His avg time is actually higher due to him dodging pass rushers and ducking under. It should be worse. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Is he more afraid to throw because he doesn't trust his receivers, or because he is afraid of another pick added to his total?

It's a good question. I think he is more afraid of making mistakes. On Sunday he had a long stretch where he just stopped throwing anything over five yards. The run game was working, so my guess is that he didn't want to turn the ball over. And once he got in that mindset, he just seemed to be unable to pull the trigger.

 

So,besides Joemas any locals here that can tell me what the fans are saying out on the streets? Do they want Peds head?

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It's a good question. I think he is more afraid of making mistakes. On Sunday he had a long stretch where he just stopped throwing anything over five yards. The run game was working, so my guess is that he didn't want to turn the ball over. And once he got in that mindset, he just seemed to be unable to pull the trigger.

 

Kinda of "interesting" that that also seems to coincide with stoppage of running the ball??? Seems like what you said happened about the same time

IDK Wentz went from the "gunslinger" we got him for, to a cap pistol that scares noone

On the question of pocket time, how much time does it take to hit a slant? I can hit those

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

well since he is the most pressured QB and the most sacked QB(proven again by stats) that tells me he doesnt really have 2 more secs as you say "for all we know" lol. No, we know he has no time. His avg time is actually higher due to him dodging pass rushers and ducking under. It should be worse. 

  Well, I will agree to disagree my friend. I normally do agree with you too! But we see that he is holding onto the ball too long. The fact that he was sacked after 4 seconds regardless if he was dodging or not, means that he should have thrown it away 2 seconds earlier. He is not seeing the field. When he does toss the rock he has predetermined where he was going and ignoring wide open Wr's. It is all there to see on the film. I am not making this up.... Just watch the plays....

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It's a good question. I think he is more afraid of making mistakes. On Sunday he had a long stretch where he just stopped throwing anything over five yards. The run game was working, so my guess is that he didn't want to turn the ball over. And once he got in that mindset, he just seemed to be unable to pull the trigger.

 

That brings us back to what is Doug doing to help him? Sure as heck not running the ball. Even though they were averaging 5 yards per while doing it!

2 minutes ago, stine said:

That brings us back to what is Doug doing to help him? Sure as heck not running the ball. Even though they were averaging 5 yards per while doing it!

Another point thats causing him grief is he is staring down receivers giving defenses time to act/react. This is a ROOKIE mistake 5 years in

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK Wentz went from the "gunslinger" we got him for, to a cap pistol that scares no one

On the pick 6 he looked right at an open WR down the field.  Patted then pumped...then lofted the ball to his checkdown.  Unacceptable..  

2 minutes ago, stine said:

On the pick 6 he looked right at an open WR down the field.  Patted then pumped...then lofted the ball to his checkdown.  Unacceptable..  

I had enough high hopes that I took Wentz as my BU  fantasy QB. I had to drop him after week 3 after seeing the horrendous play

1 minute ago, stine said:

  Well, I will agree to disagree my friend. I normally do agree with you too! But we see that he is holding onto the ball too long. The fact that he was sacked after 4 seconds regardless if he was dodging or not, means that he should have thrown it away 2 seconds earlier. He is not seeing the field. When he does toss the rock he has predetermined where he was going and ignoring wide open Wr's. It is all there to see on the film. I am not making this up.... Just watch the plays....

Oh I watch very well. I was in the NFL for a very small time, lol. Long enough to get a practice jersey lol. So I watch games very carefully. I see a QB getting pressured so fast and no recs getting open. This takes a toll on a QB and gets him in bad habits of not trusting recs, slow to pulling the trigger and focusing on one player that he trusts. 

I think Doug does a horrible job helping Wentz. Bad play calls for 1. running the ball is the best way to get your QB more comfortable. Ease into the routes. Doug sadly runs the same 3 route combo more then half the game(Comeback, mid hitch, deep). The deep is always the number 1 read which when your oline is playing that bad is a horrible choice. Dougs play designs are meant for top route running WRs that can get separation by there skills. We need more plays deigned to create separation which Doug fails to understand. 

LOL, he is still on my team. I was dumber as I also had Rivers and dropped him instead!

IDK I am watching 1/2 dozen flat out rooks, some starting their first NFL games ever, outperforming Wentz. This is really sad to see!!!!!