1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Joe Judge COTY 

Some major discrepancies with how Hurts has looked. Some are saying he's looking very good in recent days. Others like Kempski and BLG are saying he's looked better as camp has gone on, but has not had a single "wow throw" the entire camp so far, but he's been decent. Improving, but both said they are still seeing very concerning accuracy issues.

I guess preseason and time will tell!

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Our offense is going to be dink and dunk.  You might as well get used to that idea now.  Because I guarantee you, that's what it is going to be and would need to be.  

Moving the pocket

Mesh routes (to get guys open, certainly not a read for Hurts)

Screens

Wheel routes

Outs

 

Hurts struggles with stuff in the middle of the field, because of the traffic.  Hurts has wheels.  It makes sense to shorten the field, get him on the edge and and dink/dunk teams to death.   Pre-snap motions will be huge.  Hopefully his reads will be limited.  I see early success for our offense.  I just don't believe it will be sustainable.  The mobility of the O line will be important.  A good/creative run game can help all of this.  Actually this style of passing game can also help the run game.  

 

Think of the SF 49ers and the Baltimore Ravens a few seasons ago.  That kind of offense.  

While this all "makes sense," adjusting and curtailing the offense to fit Hurts does not.

Either he learns to be an NFL QB, or he's exposed and the bottom falls out.  Creating a 1980's offense for him and moving the franchise in that direction is not a good idea.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Some major discrepancies with how Hurts has looked. Some are saying he's looking very good in recent days. Others like Kempski and BLG are saying he's looked better as camp has gone on, but has not had a single "wow throw" the entire camp so far, but he's been decent. Improving, but both said they are still seeing very concerning accuracy issues.

I guess preseason and time will tell!

It's pre-conceived bias, going both ways. Guys like ESP, Roob have spent all offseason saying he's going to be a player, so all their reports are more glowing. Kempski and BLG have been more "he's probably not the guy" so they have been more down on him. Other guys in the middle like Kaye, McLane, Kapadia, McManus, Wulf have been more "meh, he's ok sometimes but not consistent". Majority seems to think he's been up and down.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You coach and develop based on the players you have.  Not the other way around.  That's how Pederson and Kelly failed.  

You also need to have a vision and pursue it.   You can't just build the whole offensive scheme and philosophy around a FB playing QB because that's what you have.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Henry Ruggs was drafted #12 and had a similar season.  Corey Davis went #5 overall to the Titans (the IWTETG thread for him pre-draft went 60+ pages) and he put up LESS yardage and was less efficient with his targets in his rookie season than Reagor was last season. 

I get it; people want instant gratification and aren't prepared to develop the player -- they'd rather cut bait if the player isn't a Pro Bowl selection in Year 1.  It gets pretty tiresome, though.

 

It seems to me that the "default setting" for the average Eagles fan is set to "negative". And you're right, it's tiresome. 

 

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Another style that isn't sustainable.   

If Judge was the coach here, 75% of the roster would be on IR by week 1. 

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Poor word choice from him

Thoughts:

Pads went on Tuesday, I wouldn't take any opinions too seriously for a couple weeks.

Fulgham worries me more than Reagor, when you start finding excuses you're not focused on improving, Fulgham had a bunch of drops and lazy routes - if he had continued to play like he did in that five game stretch, his numbers might not have been as good but he'd have gotten a lot more PT. The right thing to say, not just for PR but for self-motivation would have been to say he was disappointed when Jeffrey played ahead of him, but it was his fault for letting it affect his focus and effort and that won't happen again.

Let's not jump to conclusions on Reagor, passing a physical is as much about NFL rules and insurance as about conditioning, if he has calf tightness or other issues, they might have told him to wait a couple days to avoid an injury.

The key with a young team in training camp isn't about how well they play the first week, it's how well they play the last week. This is a very hands on camp, more than any I remember except maybe AR's first camp. A lot of this will be about weeding out players who don't respond to instruction, and in another week, won't surprise me if Siri sits down with Howie and gives him a list of "get anything you can for these guys" because I don't want them on my team come September.

Hurts is going to be up and down, he's mastering another new offense (Oklahoma - Pederson - Siri) so it takes a little time for it to become second nature. They're also putting a lot of stress on footwork, and again, takes time to do it right without thinking about it. This is where exhibition games are key, you can practice all you want but you need game situations to absorb and process what you've seen on film.

The Reich/Sirianni offense (as you should remember from 2017) isn't a deep strike attack like Doug last year, it's more like vintage AR, run the ball consistently (that's where Reich diverges from AR), use the RBs and TEs in the passing game, lots of motion and moving guys around to set up mismatches and the occasional deep strike, often off play action set up by the commitment to the run game. They're going to have Hurts run this as the primary offense, because establishing the offense is more important than establishing the QB (what if Hurts gets hurt? or they replace him next year?). Once Siri is comfortable that they have the basics down, he'll probably have a few plays a game to exploit Hurts' athleticism - but he won't build the offense around it.

 

 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Well Judge treating adults as kids is going to make some players say to hell with this nonsense.  Happy medium between grabbing a player’s attention and alienating them and I think Judge is close to over that line.  Could hurt them attracting target free agents. 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Some major discrepancies with how Hurts has looked. Some are saying he's looking very good in recent days. Others like Kempski and BLG are saying he's looked better as camp has gone on, but has not had a single "wow throw" the entire camp so far, but he's been decent. Improving, but both said they are still seeing very concerning accuracy issues.

I guess preseason and time will tell!

Kempski and BLG have an agenda to be right about certain of their early comments about players and "report” (I use that word lightly with them because when have either of them reported on something using a source where that source wasn’t a journalist) their observations with those earlier predictions and viewpoints coloring the observation.  Hell, Roob’s random stats have more clarity.  

I read Kempski and BLG to see what facts I can glean, like another veteran rest day and Juriga at starting C.  With Seumalo out and Herbig playing LG, Juriga could still be the third C and a PS candidate but he has seemed to hold off Pierschblacher and Crider, seven practices in.  The fact that Pryor continues to sub for Brooks is a bit surprising as I think many thought that would be Opeta.  In a competitive TC, Stouts rotations seem to go toward certain players. 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Kempski and BLG have an agenda to be right about certain of their early comments about players and "report” (I use that word lightly with them because when have either of them reported on something using a source where that source wasn’t a journalist) their observations with those earlier predictions and viewpoints coloring the observation.  Hell, Roob’s random stats have more clarity.  

I read Kempski and BLG to see what facts I can glean, like another veteran rest day and Juriga at starting C.  With Seumalo out and Herbig playing LG, Juriga could still be the third C and a PS candidate but he has seemed to hold off Pierschblacher and Crider, seven practices in.  The fact that Pryor continues to sub for Brooks is a bit surprising as I think many thought that would be Opeta.  In a competitive TC, Stouts rotations seem to go toward certain players. 

I've always took Kempski and BLG as the least agenda-driven. They've always called it how they see it. It's why many of their takes end up being right, because they don't artificially pump up anyone. Some media people are all "wait and see, wait and see!" If they think someone looks like utter crap, they'll say it. I like their boldness.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

While this all "makes sense," adjusting and curtailing the offense to fit Hurts does not.

Either he learns to be an NFL QB, or he's exposed and the bottom falls out.  Creating a 1980's offense for him and moving the franchise in that direction is not a good idea.

Thing is that Hurts was the second highest in target distance in his starts and seems to do well with the deep ball.  I expect a fair amount of variety in routes and a good running game sprinkled in with some deep balls.  

Mesh routes are not a 1980s concept.  I really hated that those disappeared from Peterson’s offense.   With Scott, Gainwell, possible Huntley, I would hope that wheel routes and screens are part of the offense.   TEs are ideal targets on intermediate throws across the middle of the field. KC does that a lot with Kelce.

Adjusting the offense to the strengths of the QB and skill players makes sense.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Thing is that Hurts was the second highest in target distance in his starts and seems to do well with the deep ball.  I expect a fair amount of variety in routes and a good running game sprinkled in with some deep balls.  

Hurts throws a nice deep ball he really does. He gets knocked for his accuracy but I think he throws a very nice deep ball. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

 

Howie talking with the guy that replaces him next year.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

 

Hurts wants to run with it, too.

20 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

No no … Ertz was dogging it.

You are correct.

Sadly, Kempski is an equal of Bo Wulf.  Puerile crap that is funny once, but grates severely after a couple of years.  BLG, at times, makes me want to read Jeff McLane.

Anyhow, it's good to see the players being accountable in TC and the coaches, you know, coaching.  Such a novel concept.  I wonder if it will catch on?

This is the kind of guy that probably stands out to Sirianni playing RPS

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

While this all "makes sense," adjusting and curtailing the offense to fit Hurts does not.

Either he learns to be an NFL QB, or he's exposed and the bottom falls out.  Creating a 1980's offense for him and moving the franchise in that direction is not a good idea.

Of course it does. Do you really think all NFL QBs can make all the throws? Maybe four or five can; the rest can't. Brees never could. Neither can Brady. The guys who can  are Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers - whose arm is not as strong as the other two but is more accurate - and maybe Wentz. Probably a couple of others. Stafford perhaps. The rest no, just no.

And no intelligent coach is going to ask a QB to make throws he can't make. Any intelligent coach will shape his offense to the skill of his players.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Thoughts:

Pads went on Tuesday, I wouldn't take any opinions too seriously for a couple weeks.

Fulgham worries me more than Reagor, when you start finding excuses you're not focused on improving, Fulgham had a bunch of drops and lazy routes - if he had continued to play like he did in that five game stretch, his numbers might not have been as good but he'd have gotten a lot more PT. The right thing to say, not just for PR but for self-motivation would have been to say he was disappointed when Jeffrey played ahead of him, but it was his fault for letting it affect his focus and effort and that won't happen again.

Let's not jump to conclusions on Reagor, passing a physical is as much about NFL rules and insurance as about conditioning, if he has calf tightness or other issues, they might have told him to wait a couple days to avoid an injury.

The key with a young team in training camp isn't about how well they play the first week, it's how well they play the last week. This is a very hands on camp, more than any I remember except maybe AR's first camp. A lot of this will be about weeding out players who don't respond to instruction, and in another week, won't surprise me if Siri sits down with Howie and gives him a list of "get anything you can for these guys" because I don't want them on my team come September.

Hurts is going to be up and down, he's mastering another new offense (Oklahoma - Pederson - Siri) so it takes a little time for it to become second nature. They're also putting a lot of stress on footwork, and again, takes time to do it right without thinking about it. This is where exhibition games are key, you can practice all you want but you need game situations to absorb and process what you've seen on film.

The Reich/Sirianni offense (as you should remember from 2017) isn't a deep strike attack like Doug last year, it's more like vintage AR, run the ball consistently (that's where Reich diverges from AR), use the RBs and TEs in the passing game, lots of motion and moving guys around to set up mismatches and the occasional deep strike, often off play action set up by the commitment to the run game. They're going to have Hurts run this as the primary offense, because establishing the offense is more important than establishing the QB (what if Hurts gets hurt? or they replace him next year?). Once Siri is comfortable that they have the basics down, he'll probably have a few plays a game to exploit Hurts' athleticism - but he won't build the offense around it.

 

 

"Mastering" seems a bit optimistic.

Also according to Mike Kaye, Jason Peters is the only Eagles UFA left on the market which shouldn't really surprise anyone. 

Oh and NRC is out there too. Again, no surprise there. 

1 minute ago, metal said:

Also according to Mike Kaye, Jason Peters is the only Eagles UFA left on the market which shouldn't really surprise anyone. 

And NRC