7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

one or two... yes.  

What happened in the Saints game last year can't be the norm...   In that game, Hurts had the most carries of any player in the game.  18 rushes, compared to 17 completions.  That's not 'NFL' QB play.  I don't consider an occasional keeper as a big deal...  but when it becomes the major part of the offense, that concerns me big time.  

18 rushes for Hurts... 18 for the rest of the team (14 for Sanders, 1 for Reagor and 3 for Scott).    The Saints only had 20 rushes the whole game as a team.  (11 for Kamara, 5 for Hill and 4 for Murray).  

The Saints had the top ranked defense at the time.  I think part of that was nerves but part of that was taking what the defense gave him.   I don’t have a problem if the QB has a field of green in front of him that is a surer thing than his mostly covered receiver, if he runs.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think so. If there was enough contact there to throw the DB off balance, then that would be illegal contact by the DB. I believe the DB was on his heals, which happens as you try to close on the WR but not enough extension for a push off to be called.  Too close to call OPI just like too close to call illegal contact on the DB.  You have to keep in mind how the camera focus and speed was as you were watching the replay.  You couldn’t really see the DB’s feet but the body language suggests they are in front of him, thus on his heels. 

Also the DB had his hand on Godwin's back and the other on Godwin's arm.  The reality is that he fell because Godwin stopped and it was his momentum more than anything that made him fall.  

50 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Sums up @Bacarty2 to a tee.

 

Exhibit A : Andy Reid turned multiple scrub WR's into pro bowlers ( TO, D Jax and Tyreek Hill are the only pro bowl WR's under Reid )

Exhibit B : Reggie Brown had 900 yards and never played again in the NFL ( it was 816 yards, and he played in 40 more games after that )

 

Whoever would like to do the honors, @4for4EaglesNest, @Swoop 

 

You are going to end up being placed on the ignore list of others for continually going at this guy.  Forget him.  We all know who he is... no need to convict him.  He's already shown his colors, everyone knows.   Now, please stop engaging... 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I was a sophomore in high school and had no connection to the building. sorry to disappoint. 

 

In the blog, you won't.  That is because you could show us a live facebook video of your car on fire and we still wouldn't believe you.  But to your other "friends", you will have all kinds of stories.

Ugh

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The Saints had the top ranked defense at the time.  I think part of that was nerves but part of that was taking what the defense gave him.   I don’t have a problem if the QB has a field of green in front of him that is a surer thing than his mostly covered receiver, if he runs.

The object of the game is to win.  I think if the team plans to have Hurts run to win games, that's not bad decision making or stunting his development as a QB.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Also the DB had his hand on Godwin's back and the other on Godwin's arm.  The reality is that he fell because Godwin stopped and it was his momentum more than anything that made him fall.  

That’s what I meant about illegal contact.  One hand on and off the receiver is allowable hand checking. Two hands is illegal contact.  @Utebird this post by NCIggles was what I was targeting in my response to you. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I guess the question becomes what's the right number? I'd generally say I'd like to only see a few "designed" QB runs, and more early than late, to get the defense thinking about it. You can use the RPO's later, when the defense is a little more tired, and hopefully catch the DE crashing down on the RB (this also needs our RBs to be able to run up the middle successfully). 

But yes, that Saints game is not what we should be looking for. It will certainly depend on what the defense wants to give you as well. If they play contain with the ends and mush rush with the tackles, then Hurts has to be able to sit in the pocket and make passes. If the d-line is being ultra aggressive and crashing inwards, then I'm OK with a higher number of carries for Hurts. It all comes down to efficiency, ultimately. 

IMO, looking at the "dual threat" or "running QBs" over the past 20 years or so, 15% runs/passes ratio is where Hurts needs to be.  Lamar Jackson is the only QB who has had sustained success (although zero postseason success) with a ratio much higher than 20%.

30 passes with 5 runs, 35 passes with 6 runs, etc.  That means very few designed QB runs.  If Hurts shows an innate ability to get out of bounds without getting hit, or slide while still converting 1st downs that would make a difference -- but he hasn't shown that yet.  He plays to contact too much from what I've seen.

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not as much as I enjoy making him look like a complete clown.

He has soared to the top of the EMB 🤡 rankings.  And he has the lead by a mile.

It is one thing to have idiotic hot takes for attention, but stepping up to getting caught straight up lying is next level.

It is starting to reflect more on you than him at this point.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are going to end up being placed on the ignore list of others for continually going at this guy.  Forget him.

I can let some stuff go, but even on a message board, I will not stand for a flat out liar.  But I will try my hardest.

How lonely and desperate must someone be if they stick around a place where they are not liked by anyone.  And they continue to raise their hand to try to talk and everyone just throws stuff at them.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

It is starting to reflect more on you than him at this point.

The children are just having their normal temper tantrum. Either use ignore to block them or thumb down.  They like acting like this.  

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ugh

It's blond. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

It's blond. 

I guess he thinks they're feminine? 

23 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I guess the question becomes what's the right number? I'd generally say I'd like to only see a few "designed" QB runs, and more early than late, to get the defense thinking about it. You can use the RPO's later, when the defense is a little more tired, and hopefully catch the DE crashing down on the RB (this also needs our RBs to be able to run up the middle successfully). 

But yes, that Saints game is not what we should be looking for. It will certainly depend on what the defense wants to give you as well. If they play contain with the ends and mush rush with the tackles, then Hurts has to be able to sit in the pocket and make passes. If the d-line is being ultra aggressive and crashing inwards, then I'm OK with a higher number of carries for Hurts. It all comes down to efficiency, ultimately. 

Once or twice a half at the most, really... just enough to make them pay on a big 3rd down conversion when you need it.  The biggest issue with Hurts' running last year was that he was still running like a college QB... putting his shoulder down, rather than sliding when it was over.   Run the RPO... take the easy yards, slide down and jog back to the huddle.  If the RPO is doing its job properly, you are running around a clean edge with green grass in front of you and you get an easy 5-10 yards on a 3rd and 2.  Take the easy cash, no hit and keep the chains moving.   BUT... don't lower the shoulder, don't fight for extra yards, don't expose yourself for a meaningless yard or two at the end.   The number of carries is far less important than the punishment that those carries bring.   If the defense never learns and just keeps giving you an easy 5+ yards and you get down and move the sticks without being touched... great... do it all day.   But, if you are doing it and fighting for yards... STOP!!!

The biggest concern I have is that in Preseason game 1, we saw Hurts flushed from the pocket on a 3rd and 5ish.. have two defenders in front of him and he put his shoulder down to try to run them over... in a preseason game.  That's why I wanted him in the games in the preseason... to learn and to have the chance to put into practice not doing stupid stuff like that.  You can't get that in practice, because in practice... they blow the whistle and the play ends before the contact is made.  He doesn't really learn not to do that.  It's an issue for him, and I am hoping to see significant progress in that department this year.   

 

 

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The Saints had the top ranked defense at the time.  I think part of that was nerves but part of that was taking what the defense gave him.   I don’t have a problem if the QB has a field of green in front of him that is a surer thing than his mostly covered receiver, if he runs.

See above...

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The children are just having their normal temper tantrum. Either use ignore to block them or thumb down.  They like acting like this.  

"Let the children’s laughter remind us how we used to be” I DECIDED LONGGGGGG AGOOOOOO……Eh forget it…..

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's blond. 

If you want to assume someones gender, sure.

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I guess he thinks they're feminine? 

He may be right. They look ridiculous 😂 

Just remember @Khani1, if you make that bet, he will put you on ignore and claim it never happened, or change the rules.

21 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

9/11's tomorrow, 20 years. crazy

If you want to cut some onions

 

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

"Let the children’s laughter remind us how we used to be” I DECIDED LONGGGGGG AGOOOOOO……Eh forget it…..

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

IMO, looking at the "dual threat" or "running QBs" over the past 20 years or so, 15% runs/passes ratio is where Hurts needs to be.  Lamar Jackson is the only QB who has had sustained success (although zero postseason success) with a ratio much higher than 20%.

30 passes with 5 runs, 35 passes with 6 runs, etc.  That means very few designed QB runs.  If Hurts shows an innate ability to get out of bounds without getting hit, or slide while still converting 1st downs that would make a difference -- but he hasn't shown that yet.  He plays to contact too much from what I've seen.

I tend to agree but I also think that running from trouble for positive yardage is part of what makes Mahommes and Rodgers great.  I think Hurts has that level of mobility. Needs to keep looking downfield when he uses his legs. Part of that is maturing into the position in the NFL and part is OL play.   With a healthy OL, it will be interesting to see if Hurts takes that next step.  Based on his college, I have my doubts but I had the same about Dak Prescott coming out of college so it remains to be seen what develops.  

Despite his flaws coming out of college, I have always admired Hurts drive and attitude.  He is very popular with his teammates.  I think that the Eagles offense is getting some solid camaraderie in the locker room in the offensive skill positions and that can lead to the kind of cohesiveness that makes the sum greater than the parts.  I think we had that with Graham and Cox on the DL and it looks like maybe the LBs are getting a bit of that.  You could see glimpses of it when Singleton and Wilson were on the field and I think maybe even a bit of Edwards.  Someone has to step up in that DB group to band them.   Banded secondaries watch out for each other and I don’t think this one is anywhere close to that.  

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

Yes. Thank you Robert Plant…..I had to google lead singer of Led Zipplin…

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If you want to cut some onions

 

I can't...  Still too many memories that are too fresh.