3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Add in a rookie WR1, rookie starting LG, and a young LT, pretty good start to the Siri era.

3 first rounders duh...sheesh

1 minute ago, twistr said:

Did you watch Westy play? I would say that being generous, Sanders run ability may be slightly above Westbrook, but Westbrook was a head and shoulders above better receiver. It's not even close. Sanders is a good player, but Westbrook, as part of a pass first offense, was leaps and bounds above what Sanders means to this team. IMO

I tend to agree with some of this.  And I stated that Sanders, imo, wasn't being used to his potential.  It's a different system so Sanders has not received nearly the amount of passing targets he should have received given his big play ability.  What would Westbrook look like in this current offense if 90% of his touches involved basic running plays?  

So the idea is to design plays where Sanders can break a big play from time to time.  You don't need to be a pass first team for that to happen.  Just getting Sanders more passing targets is a start.  Once he gets comfortable with that, then start getting creative.  The guy can score from anywhere on the field, at any given moment so use that to your advantage.  Simple. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I took a rash of ish in here saying Miles was injury prone before this season.

I said NS should be *mentioned* for coach of the year, took a rash of ish.

You took something I said wrong and have never let it go. Thats a you problem. 

You said Reggie Brown had his best season and never played again.  He played 40 more games.  That is not taking it wrong, that is you were wrong.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hes averaging more yards per carry this season, and last season than pretty much all of those guys. People here have no clue what an excellent runner he is. Its bewildering. But, the injuries...

That’s great cause he only plays 70% of the season and he can’t be a 20 touch a game rb because he can’t stay healthy with 15 touches. He was even used all that much the first five weeks of the season (averaged 13 touches per game) and yet here we are at the end of the year he still going to wind up missing five games. He also plays this year Behind what i argue a top five offensive line in the league. The Eagles just ran 187 yard average in the 4 games mile Sanders has been out. So maybe their offensive line is really good  

Please tell me those 10 guys I listed you’re taking Miles Sanders over?  

Miles sanders is a good running back that never stays healthy. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He also Loves to claim he’s a top 10 running back. I can name at least 10 I’d take over miles sanders: 

dalvin cook

henry

ekeler

chubb

jonathan Taylor 

najee Harris 

Alvin kamara 

Joe mixon 

Aaron jones 

mccaffrey ( if I’m gonna have an injury prone running back making a lot of money then i might as well have the best one) 

Could make the argument for:

fournette— definitely has the talented as he went 4th overall in his draft. He had the unfortunate drafting by the jags  

zeke (at this stage. 2 years ago it’s not even close)

david Montgomery 

Damien Harris 

You forgot to mention that I stated "if healthy and plays most of the season".  Pretty big part you missed.  But I get it.  This place has turned into a mud slinging, "I need to make this guy look like an idiot, even if I have to leave out the part which would make his post make sense".   Bravo. 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I tend to agree with some of this.  And I stated that Sanders, imo, wasn't being used to his potential.  It's a different system so Sanders has not received nearly the amount of passing targets he should have received given his big play ability.  What would Westbrook look like in this current offense if 90% of his touches involved basic running plays?  

So the idea is to design plays where Sanders can break a big play from time to time.  You don't need to be a pass first team for that to happen.  Just getting Sanders more passing targets is a start.  Once he gets comfortable with that, then start getting creative.  The guy can score from anywhere on the field, at any given moment so use that to your advantage.  Simple. 

but what I'm getting at is this offense plays to Sanders strengths and the other offense played to Westbrooks strengths and Westy was light years ahead. Both in their "optimal" offenses and Westbrook is well better and more important to the team. 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean, yeah, he's played every game this year. But he got hurt before the season even started if you remember. And, he played a full season here in 2019 and 2020 (until he got benched). 

Stafford.  He had injuries to start his career but has remained relatively healthy since. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

You forgot to mention that I stated "if healthy and plays most of the season".  Pretty big part you missed.  But I get it.  This place has turned into a mud slinging, "I need to make this guy look like an idiot, even if I have to leave out the part which would make his post make sense".   Bravo. 

He never stays healthy. you have some theory on giving him 23 touches he’s gonna stay healthy. meanwhile the first 5 games we barley give 15 touches and now he’s averaging about 17-18 touches a game and he still got hurt and missed 5 games.  Bravo you are dumb enough to believe he’s going to stay healthy giving him consistently 23 touches. Please show me what planet a rb that can’t stay healthy averaging about 15 touches that you’re going to increase it by 8 touches and he’s gonna stay healthier?

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Stafford.  He had injuries to start his career but has remained relatively healthy since. 

Stafford played 10 games his rookie year, then 3 his second year, which included surgery to repair his shoulder. He then played in every single game for the next 8 years in a row. You think Sanders does that? 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s great cause he only plays 70% of the season and he can’t be a 20 touch a game rb because he can’t stay healthy with 15 touches. He was even used all that much the first five weeks of the season and yet here we are at the end of the year he still going to wind up missing five games. He also plays this year Behind what i argue a top five offensive line in the league. The Eagles just ran 187 yard average in the 4 games mile Sanders has been out. So maybe their offensive line is really good  

Please tell those 10 guys I listed you’re taking Miles Sanders over?  

myles sanders is a good running back that never stay healthy.

Youd have to choose some lesser backs over him due to injuries. But theres a  bunch on that list who dont run it nearly as well, and a bunch who are also injury prone. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Stafford played 10 games his rookie year, then 3 his second year, which included surgery to repair his shoulder. He then played in every single game for the next 8 years in a row. You think Sanders does that? 

No.  Didn't know you were talking about Sanders.

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This place has turned into a mud slinging, "I need to make this guy look like an idiot

In our defense, you give us a lot to work with.

26 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He was a big fat phony! Couldn't even use his real name! 

Neither did Joseph Conrad, John LeCarre, Dr. Seuss, Voltaire, or George Orwell. A zillion others.

Good company.

 

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

No.  Didn't know you were talking about Sanders.

Yeah dude above thinks Sanders will get healthier as his career goes along. So far, the two examples provided were both QBs, who are far less injury prone than any other position. RBs don't get healthier as their careers go on. Also, Sanders was touted as having "fresh legs" when we drafted him, because he sat behind Saquon at Penn State. Where's Maury Povich when you need him? 

But, if we're assessing Sanders, then we have to do so based on him only playing 11 games a year. Cause 3 years in, that's all he's given us. 

I've said already that for us to win a playoff game this year, we will need him to play and play well. He is good when he plays. But he's so unreliable health wise, I would never sink any more money into him. Trade him this off season or let him walk after next year, doesn't matter to me. Just don't extend him, unless it's insanely favourable to us, with incentives for staying healthy. 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Neither did Joseph Conrad, John LeCarre, Dr. Seuss, Voltaire, or George Orwell. A zillion others.

Good company.

Phonies! The lot of them! 

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Westbrook is one of my favorite Eagles of all time.  Can't compare him and Sanders.

Pretty much everyone who makes it to the NFL has skills.  Sanders might have a ton of skill and talent but he doesn't always show it or do so consistently.  

I think Sanders as a RB has been as explosive as any RB that has played for the team.  Where he has struggled is as a receiver and he hasn't stayed healthy. I don't think he could approximate Westbrook's total production at this peak but I think if you gave him 240 carries he would still average over 5 yards a carry.  

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yeah dude above thinks Sanders will get healthier as his career goes along. So far, the two examples provided were both QBs, who are far less injury prone than any other position. RBs don't get healthier as their careers go on. Also, Sanders was touted as having "fresh legs" when we drafted him, because he sat behind Saquon at Penn State. Where's Maury Povich when you need him? 

But, if we're assessing Sanders, then we have to do so based on him only playing 11 games a year. Cause 3 years in, that's all he's given us. 

I've said already that for us to win a playoff game this year, we will need him to play and play well. He is good when he plays. But he's so unreliable health wise, I would never sink any more money into him. Trade him this off season or let him walk after next year, doesn't matter to me. Just don't extend him, unless it's insanely favourable to us, with incentives for staying healthy. 

Phonies! The lot of them! 

Well, if William Shatner is your poet laureate...

13 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How the hell could you make this statement? Can you please show me one, just one, example of a guy who came into the league and had injuries his first 3 years, to then go on and be MORE healthy over the course of his career? 

Of course he wants to stay healthy and show the world his full potential.  Injuries are devastating for players.  And since injuries are usually random, of course players can come back from them and have good careers.

Carson Wentz is a decent example.  His first three seasons he missed 13 games (including the playoffs/Super Bowl) due to injury. 

Sanders has missed 10 games (including playoffs so far) during his first 3 seasons.  

The next 3 seasons, Wentz only missed 4 games due to injury and I don't think he's missed any games this year.   So there you have it.

 

 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Well, if William Shatner is your poet laureate...

You mean William Shatner, OC (Order of Canada), thank you very much! 

If Washington chooses Sewage Munchers for their team name I promise to buy a ticket to go see the logo unveiling

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Of course he wants to stay healthy and show the world his full potential.  Injuries are devastating for players.  And since injuries are usually random, of course players can come back from them and have good careers.

Carson Wentz is a decent example.  His first three seasons he missed 13 games (including the playoffs/Super Bowl) due to injury. 

Sanders has missed 10 games (including playoffs so far) during his first 3 seasons.  

The next 3 seasons, Wentz only missed 4 games due to injury and I don't think he's missed any games this year.   So there you have it.

 

 

Lol, well I want to win the lottery and become rich! You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see what fills up faster (there's some poetry, @justrelax)

@Ray75 @Outlaw this may be my best work yet.

 

19 minutes ago, twistr said:

but what I'm getting at is this offense plays to Sanders strengths and the other offense played to Westbrooks strengths and Westy was light years ahead. Both in their "optimal" offenses and Westbrook is well better and more important to the team. 

IMO, Sanders should be given somewhere around 15-18 carries per game with another 8+ passing targets per game.  Almost guaranteed to get several big plays that way.  He's already getting big plays just running the ball up the middle.    Getting creative with him in the passing game will be that much better. 

And that type of workload, mixing in more passing attempts for him would lessen his injury risk.  He's not the type of back that you want to run up the middle 25-30 times a game.  I mean, you could and you might get decent results but since he's a "shift back" he'll likely get banged up much more that way.  You really should consider Sanders a "hybrid" type back.  5-10 inside runs, 5-10 outside runs, 5-10 passes.  And get creative with him.  

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I like Damone Clark, great length and straight line speed - I get a Nigel Bradham vibe from him.  That being said, he isn't a coverage ace - but he'll hit people.

 

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

I would also seriously  think about taking Muma over Lloyd , too .

Clark and Muma are likely to be drafted in the R3 range, which would fit Howie's 'LB Comfort Zone' better than Lloyd's R1 projection.

Muma, in particular, looks a nice prospect to me - he's a bit leggier/rangier/speedier than his former Wyoming teammate Logan Wilson, a LB I badly wanted for the Eagles two years ago (now starting and starring for the Bengals).

Not sure if he has Wilson's natural instincts/leadership ability, but their Head Coach Craig Bohl had this to say....."They’re very similar in the fact that they’re both wickedly smart, they’re explosive, they can play sideline to sideline. They’re top-shelf. To separate them, boy! I think we’re talking about a razor-thin margin.”

Wilson was drafted with the first pick of R3 on 2020, so maybe you'd need to get Muma in mid-late R2 after all. 

 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You mean William Shatner, OC (Order of Canada), thank you very much!